Clippers vs Thunder Playoffs Gm. #6 Game Thread 2014-05-15 (P. 15)

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Agent0
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LOL at you conveniently leaving out the championships that core had won before those playoff losses. Duncan is a true superstar come playoff time. CP3 isn't.
I think you're lost on why I'm referencing them. The last Spurs championship was 7 years ago, people were saying their main guys are done, etc because they has a couple of years of struggle and calling them a regular season team. What would blowing it up have accomplished? Most likely nothing, they kept the same core players and built around them. Unless you're getting a clear upgrade, you aren't doing yourselves much of....

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RonD
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Yeah because it was so evident when Blake got D'd up by Draymond freakin Green and out muscled by Stephen Adam and Nick Collison that he played out of his mind this playoffs. But yet when times got tight, he forgot he was playing basketball and started playing hot potato

sz123456
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Lebron can't be gotten, but Carmelo maybe. Three team trade, get rid of DJ and Jamal and Reggie. Melo is leaving and they need value for him. If Blake and Melo are your 2nd and 3rd best option, you're pretty set

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So you equate a good leader to how decisive he takes a shot? Maybe he should do what CP3 did in game 5 that cost us the game. Chucking a half court basket when he could have just passed it or waited to get fouled. Instead, he gets it stolen and we lose the game.

JQuick32
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Plus he showed up to training camp out-of-shape and had the nerve to complain that the fans were being too hard on him and expecting him to look like Blake. No, we just expect you to do your f***** job and earn your paycheck for playing a kids' game! Easily one of the least likeable Clippers ever.

elton_sucks42
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Hahahhaha so I can't propose or comment on a hypothetical trade scenario of us trading a hall of fame point guard for an up and coming all star considering the Neil olshey connection to cp3? How do you know I was not thinking nastradamus?

I didn't say I own this board. You need to stop e-thuggin.

Icecoldclipper
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So lets get started what team can we get to take Dudleys contract and do we try and get Brand (5th big) and Kaman (3rd or 4th big) to come back? Wonder if Jason Thompson can be had and does Pierce really come here?

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Watch out with the hypothetical trade scenarios. Some posters here really get upset when people do them. Interesting trade proposal though. A Melo and griffin combo can work IMO

RonD
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That stuff is on every board. This isn't my first forum. I wasn't talking about the fact that he was doing scenarios, it was saying the actual scenario he posted. It honestly is unrealistic. Nothing wrong with that.

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Nothing wrong with that but you did call it silly in a condescending way.

ClipperKyle32
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Question: what do you guys think when Two Player shoot more FTs than an entire opposing team?

Agent0
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Sadly they are, which is why maybe we can't afford as much to be undersized at other positions like we've found ourselves. This teams next level is still about defense, we aren't an elite defensive team yet, and that's really what's going to get the team to the next step.

One thing that will help is having the versatile defensive wing, especially also as a pressure relief for Paul on defense, and certainly having more reliable length at the backup big man position would be quite helpful. We'll see what we can do this off-season, but certainly if we don't have Paul we'd have someone else, but I'm not sure I can think of who is really a better fit. We certainly wouldn't have Lebron or Durant, it would be like Carmelo or a Rudy Gay or something like that, which is not inspiring at all.

Icecoldclipper
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Doc should of went to Granger more at the PF spot and Blake at C when he needed to give Jordan rest. The Granger and Griffin at least gave us more spacing and forced Griffin to rim protect being the only big inside.

elton_sucks42
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Bingo. Right on the head joe.

ClipperKyle32
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Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

RonD
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Right because that was the only reason that game was lost and nothing else before that.

I know CP is not infallible. I'm just tired of JQuick like people acting like its solely on him when things go wrong in games like he has to be the be all and end all.

Clipperfn4lf
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If it wasn't for this website I would think I'm the only passionate Clipper fan. At the game today I felt like I was the only one cheering. Our fan base is terrible and you have people telling the few of us who actually care to sit down at the end of games. Don't think I'll be going much next year to just be looked at weird for being a passionate fan who cares about the team. #Venting

Icecoldclipper
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Its not really worth fighting last year we had people wanting to trade the core for Garnett and maybe Pierce. Crawford had a bad game but this team needs to grow together. Find a role for Reggie, let Barnes and Crawford yin and yang work the bench like they were suppose to and get some young bigs that are hungry to continue to push Blake and DeAndre as they improve.

Clipperfn4lf
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3/4 of the people didn't even cheer Eric Gordon on the big screen, just a bunch of fake fans.

elton_sucks42
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Whatever doc decides to do this offseason I'm all for it. I don't expect any drastic changes with our core of Blake, DJ and CP3. Everyone else is expendable. We need a backup big, a knockdown small forward that can shoot and defend.

A JJ reddick and cp3 backcourt is way too small.

renshaibob
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Tony Parker dribbles with a purpose and almost always attacking. CP just dribbles and it is very seldom that he is willing to just attack and keep pressure on the another team.

elton_sucks42
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EJ was there? Even golden state gave Jarrett jack a standing ovation when he watching the game at oracle lol

RonD
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You can create whatever scenario you want, and i can comment on it. life on the internet.

Agent0
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JQuick, if you want a better example, even though then never won it all, Stockton didn't become a starter until 87-88, the Stockton/Malone combo didn't get past the second round until their 5th try in the post season where the lost in 6. It was Malone's 7th season and he was 28. Clippers with CP and Blake are on try #3 and really first try with Blake playing at a higher level and we should blow it up?

Then when we get this new guy, we have to then rebuild the team around our new guys because this roster might not necessarily compliment the new guy and Blake, it might not be quick or easy, we might not do much more than this season in terms of rounds passed for another 3 years. If we do and it is because of a Blake continuing to improve, that still happens with the same primary roster we have now, so the change would be a step back not forward.

It's as much circumstances, opponents, etc as it is how good you are as a player. You come in to the league at then right time and in the right conference and you can look amazing when it comes to playoff success and perception can favor you as most people go on perception, not reality. Kidd made two finals appearances with the Nets in a super weak East, when he couldn't get out of the first round with Phoenix in the West and with similarly talented teams. He wasn't better in NJ, he was luckier, and the perception of him changed based on getting traded to a more favorable situation. We're in a tough conference, it is going to be tough, ever year.

elton_sucks42
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Gotta love the internetz

elton_sucks42
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Oprah will get us a championship guys

Agent0
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its funny because you ask some Spurs fans and there's a different tone to Tony Parker's play at times. They all have their faults, they all impact differently, but the one indisputable conclusion is that these are all high impact players despite stylistic differences.

marten81
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I'm thinking of not watching NBA anymore, love the game but the league is officiated to go the way the league wants. It's just to frustrating to see ogayc win this way.

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Maybe they showed respect by sitting... like EJ did so often.

Icecoldclipper
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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Love that dude. Max even when being a smart ass has showed us love.

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Too bad we missed so many jump shots. best example this short from collison.

If Paul can make his jump shots, it's all okay, but we blew our lead because of that.

so we need one person who can make shots when the team struggles. Normally this can be Crawford, but only if he draws fouls.

You see that during the play off games , when OKC need a lot of points, they always try to get fouls and go to the line.

So in my opinion it's one solid SF with a solid, non streaky 3 shot and some better defense backup big man in the second line.

Sometimes we played like San Antonio with fast passing , that is the good news. I hope they continue this gameplan.

Icecoldclipper
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Nice low key burn you win the internet tonight.

ClipsGForce
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Did you even watch the game? The time he was on there, he was ineffective. Those crucial minutes he played prove that he was liability on both defense and offense.

ClipperSean
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We didn't deserve to win tonight. We had an 8 point lead at the half and didn't come out with any energy in the 2nd half.

Heisenberg
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He doesn't have the reputation for flopping that a couple clipper players do that is for sure! He gets lots of free throws because he's aggressive. Aggressive players tend to get fouled a lot more than guys who settle with more jump shots. that is why the clippers barely got fouled in the 2nd half,they stayed out of the paint. Teams who resort to jump shots always get exposed in the playoffs. as a thunder fan I know exactly how frustrating that can be, but they learned the hard way and used that experience to dominate in the paint, like playoff teams are supposed to do. lac would be better off with griffin being a boss in the paint, getting fouls and shooting high percentage shots. Anyway as far as as fouls go, griffin gets a lot of fouls called too. why? because he's aggressive in the paint. druant rarely fouls out or gets in foul trouble because he's a smart defender, not because he's coddled. kobe and lebron you see with foul trouble too, in spite of being mega stars.

JQuick32
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Literally only because the media coddles him and hates our players and team.

sz123456
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Honestly, I feel bad for you if you are that delusional. If you want to say Russell gets to the line because he's aggressive, fine, absolutely, the guy is a bull and isn't afraid of anything. Durant? Please tell me you're kidding. I've never seen a "superstar" do so little to demand the ball in my life. If by coincidence he does get the ball, he'll jack a three or do a cute "swing through" move to get to the line. He is not aggressive at all which is why you'll lose, and lose you will.

sz123456
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Woke up this morning and thought, "That felt like an old Clipper game..."

Three quarters of fair basketball, then a final quarter with every momentum-swinging call going in the other team's favor. It was obvious from the beginning. Foul on Jamal Crawford for standing next to someone. Next defensive possession, foul on Jamal Crawford for standing....again. We could have played better yes, but OKC didn't earn it.

Heisenberg
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Ah I see. They love KD and hate your players and your team. That's very plausible, and not at all a stretch or exaggeration. roll

Heisenberg
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There's nothing delusional about it. He shot the ball 23 times, 8 of which were three pointers (that's less than 30%). He shot 10 free throws, so he was fouled I assume 5 times. 5 fouls on top of 23 shots sounds about right. No he is not aggressive in the 'give me the ball' regard, but when he has the ball he's aggressive with it and shoots as much as anybody. And when you do that, and they aren't a bunch of deep shots, you will get fouls. That's pretty normal. I mean even blake was fouled 4 times on his 20 shots. I guess as a clipper fan you are going to have a bias. I will admit his swing through move, or the rip move is kind of cheap way to get fouls, but its within the rules, so using it to your advantage is a smart move. If you don't think he's aggressive, fine. But if that's the case, and he's still the league's top scorer, i'll take it. whatever kind of player he is, it works really well for him and his team. And sure, they could lose, they could win. They beat the best D in the west, then beat the best offense in the west. now they are on to the most balanced team in the west. not like this team hasn't had great success against the spurs. in fact i believe they've won what, 7 out of the last 9 against them? something like that.

Heisenberg
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So being down 30-16 after the 1st quarter- they bounce back by outscoring the clips in every successive quarter thereafter- but didn't earn it? Seems to me that if you are down 30-16 then you win each quarter 26-20 30-22 and 32-26 that indeed, they did earn it, little by little, grinding away like they do. Oh wait, its the refs fault lac were below 30% from three point land. Isn't it weird that poor long range shooting usually doesn't result in wins?

clipperboy24
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Foul calls against us wasn't the clippers problem of old it was collapsing when the pressure was o. Which is exactly what we is.

But, the calls against us were insane. This shack to back charge calls were out of control.

sz123456
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You also can't read. I said 3 quarters of fair basketball. Refs make their mark in the 4th quarter. The least you could do is thank the referees, talk about being ungrateful...

Icecoldclipper
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Refs didn't make us settle for jumpers or make Doc go to a cold defensive unit with Crawford and Davis late third starting fourth. Poor adjustments and lack of intensity toward the rim cost us.

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I am grieving today, when grieving you want to blame someone for your hurt and pain. Realistically, the Clippers didn't play their best game last night. I felt they were better than OKC, but some players forgot to show up. The Clippers have a good starting team and some super players on the bench, I'm sure the office and coach will make best decisions during the summer. The players we have need to improve on what they're lacking. Shooting free throws should be at the top of the "got to do" list. OKC made most of theirs, and they won by a small margin. I'm not a basketball expert but CP3 needs help, he may be the General, but even Generals can't win the war without their men.

Hope Clips will be in Las Vegas for the preseason. Go Clippers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Nevada Fans

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I know it is popular opinion that we lost because of the lack of aggressiveness, not the refs, ,but I would like to throw in my vote for both but I give it to the refs to end that game. We get sloppy when we panic and we panicked because starting in that 3rd period we were not allowed to be the same team we were in the fist half and that caused the Clips to panic and try to figure out the refs.

Bad calls, yes. Both ways, probably so. But if someone had the time and the notion to go over the game minute by minute, foul by foul, they would probably see more bad or non-calls were for us then for OKC. Enough to give them 35% more tries at the FT line,13 more FTs which was just enough by the refs to get us to fold. We were allowed to be aggressive in the first half, in the 2nd half we got called for standing near an OKC player. Did they get called for standing by us? I suspect if BG32 was the MVP, not Durant, we would have seen a different type of game called.

So, we need our team to not bail on us because of the Sterlings, we need another year with he same core and coach, a couple of position upgrades and we need the Sterlings (IMHO the cause of the curse) to dry up and fade away.

GO SPURS

Icecoldclipper
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We really stopped our interior passing that got us in the game and JJ only playing 30 mins didn't help much either. Blake missed a couple of easy one but he was assertive he was getting to the rim or getting close enough to draw attention to Jordan for the extra pass. JJ and Paul were doing work off screens and the mid range game. Second half and the game getting tighter the long jumpers came back and over dribbling the clock. Team seemed drained as the game went on and lost focus even when we still had the lead.

sz123456
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Absolutely. Of course it's a combination of things, players didn't play their best and referees were trash in the 4th. I tend to go crazy about the latter because it's not fair. We missed shots, fine. Doc didn't use the right lineups, fine. But them getting as many FT attempts as they did, and them getting every momentum-killing call and non call in their favor on OUR court, that's not right. This series will be remembered as "that controversial call that screwed the Clippers"

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Two reasons the Thunder won. First and foremost, KD just took over. When he got hot, the Clips just couldn't stop him. It breaks your spirit when a guy pulls up and swishes a 30 ft'er. Second thing was Perkins getting into foul trouble. That is the reason Steven Adams played so many mins and he was a huge difference. The kid is freakin huge, and fearless. He played a really good, tough game. Him and Collison together are all the all blue collar front line that bring it.... I was embarrassed for the calls in game 5 at the end the game. LA got hosed, but I re watched the 2 off fouls in question last night and CP3 pulled Collison's leg out from under him while he was up in the air. Not only a foul, but dangerous and should warrant a fine. The ref that called it was on top of it all the way. KD was set on BG's drive. Clearly a charge, shouldn't even be any controversy on that one. The one where BG fouled out, he about took RW's head off. Ref's didn't lose the game for the Clips in game 6.

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I think you meant, were not allowed to stop him. THe Jordan rules are now the Durant rules.

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