Clippers vs Thunder 2014 - What Went Wrong? (P. 2)

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I read comments and post my opinions daily. I've only been posting for a month but never have I read such negative comments about the Clippers. Nobody wanted to trade CP3 when he took over in the 4th quarter and won games. No one wanted to trade JC when he was hitting those 3's. This was DJ's best season and I can see him getting better. I have been a Clipper fan for over 20 years and this was their best year. If you're a true fan you roll with the punches and don't disc them because they lost. I....

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CP3 got jobbed by refs. He made one careless turnover that is it. That 3 point call was iffy and he was blatantly fouled at the end. He was our best player for pretty much every other game of the series. We would have loss game 4 without him locking down Durant and keeping the game close.

Funny how I see no one blaming Blake.

Last season people complained that CP3 took all the credit for everything so he deserves all the blame. Fair enough.

Not exactly the case this season.

For the record I don't think Cp3 or Blake were at fault for our series loss. We loss a tight series that we could have won if we weren't jobbed in game 5. The Thunder were the slightly better team in regular season and it was our first season with Doc at the helm. We still have room to improve in terms of our backup bigs and our wing players.

I think next season the Thunder will be our only true competition. The Spurs will still be tough as per usual but I have a feeling Timmy D might retire soon.

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I love our roster, we just need to get rid of Dudley and hopefully bring back a real rotation big in exchange. Baby and Granger and history and I don't lose sleep over them. Hope Collison comes back and hope all the guys who were in the rotation in the PO's come back.

What went wrong was Donald Sterling and the fact that the NBA is dirty. I do not believe those refs were simply incompetent, they were instructed to affect the outcome of some games. Donaghy's next book will have a chapter about the Clippers 2014 playoff run.

toohipcliptoslip
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What about the $$$. I can't find the salary page but doesn't Dudley make around $3 mill plus. Collison signed for less than market. Granger and Baby were chump change. We have to consider re signing DJ and BG and CP3' $$ increase yearly. Maybe Reggie will pan out.

JQuick32
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I don't think Collison's coming back. He's going to be overpaid this summer. I hope we bring back Livingston.

tense2
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Livingston better and will command just as much as Collinson IMO.

tense2
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Dudley is at 4.5 mil. Plus the cap will move up and so will the tax line.

ClippersDA
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Anyone else disappointed that Paul has been silent today?

tense2
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No, I sure he'll say something soon. But no matter what he saids it's not going satisfy you and some others anyway. So why care.

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Why does he need to say anything? So you and JQuick can use that as more ammo to find faults about him?

CP3Heliflopter
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Because Paul staying silent means he doesn't care or give a dam apparently. lol

ClippersDA
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I'm not faulting him. I'd just like to hear the leader of the team say something encouraging to the fans.

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So now you call him the leader? I thought you wanted him to stop talking and Blake take control roll. Some of you are just impossible to please

ClippersDA
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At the moment, he is the self imposed leader. Id like that to change to blake, who did speak today.

tense2
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BS, you been faulting him a lot. Man up. Razz

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
CP3 got jobbed by refs. He made one careless turnover that is it. That 3 point call was iffy and he was blatantly fouled at the end. He was our best player for pretty much every other game of the series. We would have loss game 4 without him locking down Durant and keeping the game close.

really? One careless mistake? That one mistake led to the loss whether he was involved, or got jobbed. The game was won at the point he got cute. that wasn't a careless mistake, that was a stupid mistake where you say, WTF? The three point foul was not iffy, it was blatant when you see the ball drop like a dead duck. Don't cover for him, his mistake cost us the game. yes, there was a bad call but only because CP3 decided to get cute with the ball. CP3 was great most of the series like you pointed out but that doesn't take away from him giving the game away and the series.

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For the record I don't think Cp3 or Blake were at fault for our series loss. We loss a tight series that we could have won if we weren't jobbed in game 5. The Thunder were the slightly better team in regular season and it was our first season with Doc at the helm. We still have room to improve in terms of our backup bigs and our wing players.

Cp3's stupidity allowed the refs to job us on one play. Even then, we still had a chance to win it if not for another stupid play by fouling a 3 point shooter with a 2 point lead. Cp3 didn't get jobbed, he was the Thunder's best player late in game 5. That is the truth. Again, CP3 cost us that game by letting the refs job us on one play that coul;d have led to no points. Instead, he gifts Westbrook 3 FT's when we have a 2 pointy led. Oh, and that play where Jackson touched him, he had nowhere to go anyway.

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Nothing went wrong. Anyone expecting a WCF with young players,

entirely new coach, new system, just doesn't know basketball too well.

This was year 1.

You keep the same core in tact. Cp3 - Blake - Jamal - DJ - DC - JJ

and try to get a better starting SF and move barnes to the bench,

and we come back next year with the team playing one more year together

and comfortable with the system.

And hopefully unlike this year the team can get a whole season to play together

as oppose to long term season injuries and not getting to really play together

until the playoffs.

I'd say if by year 3 we are still getting put out in the second round then

we have to blow the team up and try again because it isn't working.

Not many teams make it over the Hump in year 1. But I do realize on boards like this

many people just want to "Win" now instead of facing realities such as this.

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Improvement areas:

DJ being decent at free throws would help huge

CP3 working on jumping improvement. He is good athlete but it is showing that he is not a great athlete any more.

Backup big man

A decent sf to back up Barnes

Ball movement...the times where cp3 tries to go 1 on 5 and Crawford goes 1 on 5 are not productive in playoffs where people have seen this before.

Dudley and Granger to retire

ClippersDA
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Barnes is a backup.

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Exactly. He's definitely a NICE backup SF, but nothing more. I'm actually pretty surprised we did as well as we did this season considering we had journeyman Matt Barnes as our starting SF. We need put all our efforts into getting a starting SF this off season. Deng or Ariza would be great. With that said, we need Sterling to sell first. I can't see many players wanting to play under Sterling. He needs to go.

JQuick32
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If Barnes is still starting for this team next year, we haven't done nearly enough to solve the SF problem.

toohipcliptoslip
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Deng = over the cap

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*Chris Paul has to score more and try to get some more fouls. (like Westbrook)

*Jamal should try to get more fouls (like Durant)

*griffin should train the 3's, could be more effective

*Griffin has to train his clutch plays in the season

*a new Starting SF or a healthy Granger, give him some time

*a new backup Center and Big Baby on the 4

*DJ FTs like always ^^ and hook shots.

*JJ healthy , I liked his scoring at the rim.

toohipcliptoslip
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And George Bush should have a brain Very Happy Easier said than done

sz123456
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Probably right but I wonder how much money he'll get, his stock went down with his Cleveland performance.

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I see people here questioning CP3 and even Blake These guys are our cornerstones. Sure Paul blew game five for us, but even great players have breakdowns in the playoffs. They are playing against other, equally great players. We had the third best record in the league and with a few decent moves, we will get better still.

Problem is, OKC is equally young and just a bit better. They will always be in our way and, perhaps, they will always keep us from getting to the finals. Perhaps we will be like the Stockton and Malone Jazz, but there are worse things In the mean time, we have proven we are very, very close to being championship calibre. It is a time for tweaking and adjustments. We are where we've always wanted to be.

Our biggest problem is the same one it's been for thirty years. Donald T. Sterling. If he was interested in the good of the players, he'd step aside and collect his billion dollars. If he was interested in the good of the city, he'd step aside. If he was interested in the good of Clipper fans, he'd step aside. If he was interested in the good of the NBA he'd step aside.

But Donald T. Sterling only cares about Donald T. Sterling. He is and has always been one of the worst people around and the albatross that hangs on the neck of this franchise. If the NBA doesn't manage to get rid of him completely and quickly, we will not be able to make the changes required this off season to get us to the next level.

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Game 5 is what went wrong. Clips would have either won the series or went to game 7. You know the league didn't want that to happen. They are going to get Kevin his ring....

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It has to be the superstar calls. Clearly the Clippers are the better team, but someone weeping after his MVP moved the NBA a lot. Oh and the no calls/switching calls as well.

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CP3 and Blake weren't as strong as they needed to be, Redick disappeared, our 2 holes (3&d wing, defensive backup big) never got filled.

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In my opinion, nothing really went wrong. It's just that if one or two changes in our favor, it would be a different series. I was gitty when Clippers were winning at game 5 and closing out at game 6. But it's the mentality of our players that need to be stronger and be more composure. Nothing much need to change, but just mentality stronger.

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You guys have said enough about CP3 and Blake's shortcomings already, but had we had a better supporting cast, we're in the WCF. DeAndre was considerably worse in this series after a great series vs GSW. We got very little production from our SF core (Barnes/Duds/Granger). Collison had one great game, but was a turnstile on defense. Big Baby had his moments, but we needed more from our backup big. And of course Jamal shot terribly. He hit a 3 to put us up 101-88 in game 5 with 4 mins left, but then continued to jack up shots against the shot clock on the next few possessions.

There's four guys worth building around - Cp3/BG/DJ/JJ. We need a more balanced roster. For starters, an upgrade at SF, a more reliable backup big, and a backup PG.

laboy
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paul (threw the game) choked... period...end of story..

ClipperKyle32
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I can't wait until we come back next season and Chris makes you guys eat your words especially this random LABoy

Jerediscool
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The refs. End of thread.

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What went wrong? The way this team is built, is what went wrong. We have a guard in JJ, who's only asset is his outside shooting. He's a liability on everything else. Our small forwards are way bellow the league standard. We have a center that gets fouled intentionally and has no offensive game. 2 nba stars that play positions that are the least important when building championship rosters.

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What went wrong? Four-letter word --- REFS.

Here's a tweet that should make refs behave better:

Jerediscool
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I honestly believe that if the league is able to get the team away from DTS this summer we will be "allowed" to win. Theres no way the NBA wants this whole sterling thing acting as a main topic during the Conference Finals and the Finals. It takes too much away from the action. Therefore, the refs had to step in to make sure we couldn't do it, despite being the better team. Next year, the league will run us and what better way to jack up the price than to have a top seeded team on the rise (or after just having won a championship). All little baby steps in the soap opera called "The NBA"

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While I agree with most of your post, I disagree that power forward can't be an important position on a championship team. Tell that to Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, McHale, Hayes, Pettit, and even to a lesser extent Rodman or DeBusschere. Bigs traditionally win titles in this league whether they play at the 4 or the 5. PG on the other hand is the least important position on the court.

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The difference is BG is more of a hybrid power forward / small forward. He's only 6'8 and doesn't alter too many shots. Plus most of those players had great defensive bigs playing next to them. Parish, Chandler, Robinson,Cartwright and Unseld. I don't see DJ ever being that good.

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A bit of a reality check.

Did the refs screw us on that out of bounds play? Yes. Was the "right thing"done? Yes. Barnes fouled What's His Name. The ball should have been given to OKC out of bounds. It was a make up call. That's all. Was it correct by the rules? No.The refs screwed up. Did Barnes didn't have to foul? Should we have won? Without a doubt.

The refs were crucified for the GSW play where we lost the game but in the grand scheme of things it didn't matter because we won the series bad call or not. - Moot point. This call however would have changed the series. I don't think it had anything to do with the Clippers. They were correcting a mistake, illegally admittedly..

Officiating will never be fair until we do have the overhead camera or something like it and ---

THE COACHES ARE ALLOWED TO ASK FOR AN INSTANT REPLAY ONCE PER QUARTER. The league will have to clean up its act. Both of these non calls would have been reversed.

toohipcliptoslip
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Pettit? How the F*ck old are you?

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Everyone is blaming the Refs personally. But in reality, the Refs were just doing what they were told by the NBA shot callers. To ensure that their MVP doesn't get disgraced by the Clippers in the 2nd round. And to ensure their chosen one moves forward... End of story.

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It was game 5. That 6 foul on DJ. That screen is set all game long. Everyone does it. Refs began trolling us. CP then started milking the clock and deferring to Jamal. Completely forgot about BG. Jamal trying to do too much while guarded by Perkins blew a lay up. CP forgot about taking a foul. Great defensive play by Barnes (hand is part of the ball).

Refs continue to troll. Bad foul CP. Refs explaining that they saw two views while everyone else saw at least 3. Experts like Kenny trying to use a rule that doesn't apply to out of bounds play. Brothers hugging KDs mom. The #mvp speech.

Game six. RW tripped at least twice by himself and got FTs. CPs "offensive" foul. That is 6 points on the table.

We should have been playing a game 7 (at worst today). League had no balls to admit their mistakes.

toohipcliptoslip
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Kenny "'The Jet" in an angry voice. "Matt never touched the ball"

Chuck "The refs are only human, they're not perfect"

Kerr "I don't understand how that's a clear path foul when Blake in in front of him"

Albert? "Where was the moving screen? Oh I guess it was that wiggle of the hips"

With decent refs we could have won in maybe five. I'm now having to face reality, we have to be really good I mean really good

Jerediscool
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We won't have to be any more special next year. Just have to out from under the Sterling thumb. That will be worth a million of those sh!t calls and you're right. We really could have won in 5

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Yup, PF can definitely be a cornerstone position, though of course for Blake, his issue is that generally we're talking about two way PF's. He's not a two way PF, Blake is an average defender, but not a high impact defensive player yet (might become, might not).

I do disagree that PG is the least important position, but you don't need a superstar PG to win, sure, that is certain.

What went wrong? One team was better, the other was not as good. CP had costly mistakes in game 5, though we still lost game 6 and it was no guarantee we would have won a game 7 on the road anyways. Outside of that, our role players / complimentary scorers outside of Redick did not make their shots and didn't produce well, and we couldn't defend them and their role players well enough. Jamal isn't reliable enough as a scorer and not consistent enough at other aspects of basketball, and he's too up and down from game to game / series to series to be utilized as such a high usage player. The team does not have adequate two way players on the wing, and the team does not have another proper C.

Those are issues that will continue to be limiting factors for this team, even if we did beat OKC.

ClippersDA
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Blake needs to improve defensively - that is the main difference between him and lebron. Needs to develop his clutch gene too. Basically Durant and Westbrook were more clutch than blake and cp3

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PRICELESS

laboy
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we can trade chris paul for lebran and resign our back up point guard..

chris is making 20 mil next year,lebran will be ok with that money..

dj blake lebran and a championship....... Smile

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