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fray_27
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Honestly the fact that were maybe not even looking in to patric young really pisses me off I'm a gator fan and billy Donovan prodduces some really good defensive players. You look at Noah, Cory brewer is mostly known for his D, Haslem is pure hustle and defense, and he'll even Bradley Beal for a guard is a pretty good rebounder and defensive player the clippers really would be stupid not to sign young. Oh and I almost forgot there's also Alford Horford

Dunkathon
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You remember how offensively limited Bledsoe was, right? You also remember that Bledsoe's going to command $12 million+ in free agency this year, right? If so, can we all please stop revising history here to make it like Bledsoe was the next coming of Lebron?

Plus, Bledsoe got injured this year as well. It wasn't like he had a clean bill of health himself.

Clippersfan86
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CapNclips seems you missed my point entirely. It wasn't that we should keep Bledsoe, but rather that we could of had something much better. Such as Afflalo/Nicholson. Although that particular trade it was apparently Sterling who nixed a deal doc had in place. That trade would of addressed backup big issue AND starting SF issue.

Clippersfan86
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Trying to see your point here but having trouble. Who suggested necessarily keeping him? I'm more suggesting trading Bledsoe just for Redick essentially due to Dudley's ineptness is trade r***. Doc could of held out a little longer. He rushed moving Bledsoe. Even an injured Bledsoe has multiple times the value of Redick. The kid was a top 5 all around PG this year, the deepest position in the league when healthy.

CapsNClips
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The deal didn't include Andrew Nicholson. It was just Bled & Caron for Afflalo.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2013/6/24/4460494/2013-nba-draft- trade-rumor-orlando-magic-eric-bledsoe-los-angeles-clippers-eric-bleds oe

That deal was not better than JJ and Dudley. Although Dudley underperformed widely, at the time is was the right move and IMO still is the right move. I consider Afflalo overrated.

jazclipcity3
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Something's going on. ... doc's waiting for a phone call. Hmmm. I checked out all the guys that did not get drafted and I feel that we definitely need to give Patric Young a shot. He's big, strong, energy type player. Reminds me of a young ben Wallace.

-clippernation-
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Just read Patric Young is playing for the Pelicans in summer league...

fray_27
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Looks like the pelicans were the smart team idk what's going on with the front office

-clippernation-
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You can play for more than one team in summer league, am I wrong?

fray_27
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Let's say patric young balls out the pelicans don't have the right to let's say sign him first or anything??

Agent0
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Yea, at the time it was filling two positions over just one position, and nothing suggested Afflalo was a 20 PPG guy, and nothing still suggest that that is his role on a good team.

Also remember that when he scores more, his defense has tended to have a decent drop off. So yes, of course hindsight is 20/20, Dudley sucked and Redick had injuries, but at the time the trade that was made was more logical.

Clippersfan86
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Caps you're entitled to your opinions but how in the world is Afflalo overrated? He had a career year and put up a hyper efficient 21 ppg, while being an above average defender. Also you posted sources of trade without Nicholson, but the sources said he was included before the Magic and Hennigan tried to throw a public smokescreen.

As great as Redick was in the little he played, he's not better than Afflalo. But as I said, should of held onto Bledsoe a little longer anyway for more offers.

CapsNClips
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Afflalo averaged 18.2ppg not 21. See....he's so overrated people are adding 3ppg to his average LOL just kidding.

But seriously Afflalo's #'s per 36 are 18.8/3.5/3.7 and he was Orlando's #1 option

Redick's #'s per 36 are 19.4/2.8/2.7 and he was our 3rd or 4th option.

Also we got out of Butlers $8mil contract which is worse than Dudley's $4mil contract

Afflalo also makes $1mil more than Redick.

And I don't think Afflalo is overrated in general. I just think he's severely overrated on here by suggesting he's in another category than Redick.

ClipperKyle32
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I think I might agree. If we would have held on to Bledsoe a little longer until the deadline or offseason. We might have been able to pull off a sign and trade for LeBron....

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ClipperKyle32
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I made this comparison to myself , but I can see Wilcox being our version of Houston's Troy Daniels. Still hope this pans out and turns into a good move and we acquire great players....

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ClipperDB
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I hope this pick of C Wilcox works out better than our last pick of c (Chris) Wilcox out of univ of Maryland.

Billupsss
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I hope Wilcox will be traded throughout the year. Bad defender and 1 dimensional.

Clippersfan86
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Caps my bad, thought it was 21 ppg for some reason. Redick was my favorite Clipper this year after Blake, so not trying to knock him. If he can stay healthy, he's a PERFECT fit. We just have too many holes to justify drafting at our most loaded position IMO. Should of taken Glenn Robinson or Kyle Anderson to play the 3. I hope the team fixes it's holes or another exit before the WCF seems eminent. The only way to offset the holes is Blake and DJ BOTH making another huge leap.

Dunkathon
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You weren't suggesting keeping him? Okay.

I disagree that he was a top 5 PG this year though. CP3, Lillard, Curry, Parker, and even Westbrook were all better than him this year.

clipperboy24
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Nicholson was in almost evey trade rumor later and a potential pick also. As for Dudley's contract being better than Caron's? How is that? Dudley is deadweight for 3 more years while caron was an expiring contract you can actually trade.

The person most overrated was Jared Dudley and he was sorely exposed.

Jerediscool
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I don't want this to sound instigating, but if its the deepest position in the league, then his value would be lower bc almost everyone has one of these guys. I think we can all agree here that center is the shallowest position in the league, so teams are always willing to over pay or trade more for one of these guys to get the advantage. SF is probably the second shallowest. That Is why we are in a pickle, bc we have an abundance of good players at PG or SG but its hard to get equal value for them bc the market for them is over saturated. If we had 2 Amazing Centers, we could trade one for all sorts of great stuff in return and really run the price up.

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zaneil3715
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I'm hoping for a big trade including a combination of dudley/barnes and an sg for a starting sf w defense and sign channing frye or okafor.

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Before his injury people were putting him in top 5 PG talks for the season. The guy was at something like 20/6/5/2 before he went down. Never mind that he's a significantly better defender than any PG on your list besides maybe CP3 who played elite PG D this year. At worst we could say he was a top 10 PG this year healthy, even post injury probably. Where did you see me suggesting to keep him? I was the biggest Bledsoe homer on this forum and even I understand that due to the contract he was going to demand, he needed to be moved. I'm more complaining that we didn't wait a little bit longer and field more offers.

With the way he dominated out of the gate this year, even as our 6th man his value would of climbed substantially most likely.

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Not instigating at all. I agree with you and you bring up fair points. Bledsoe's value IS lower than other positions due to him being a PG as you said. The league is currently flooded with great PG's. I still think due to his age/upside/talent etc we could of gotten more.

CapsNClips
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You have to also take into account no team is going to trade away their best assets for a guy who's going to be a RFA a year later.

We got the best offer available. I'm sure of there were better offers Doc and Gary would've taken them. Afflalo wasn't better than JJ and Dudley.

Also let's say Bledsoe was a top 10 PG last year because he was. JJ was a top 10 SG last year and it was a position we needed filled. I'd much rather have a top 10 PG (CP3) and a top 10 SG (JJ) than two top 10 PG's.

clipperboy24
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All a matter of opinion. I think afflalo and Nicholson is better than JJ and Dudley hands down. Just because an NBA front office makes a decision doesn't make it a right one. There is usually a winner and loser in any deal very rarely is it completely fair. Portland went with Oden over Durant, obviously the wrong decision.

CapsNClips
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That's fine if you think that deal is better, but just for the record we were the ones asking for Nicholson to be included and they rejected it.

The deal was Afflalo for Bledsoe and Caron before Sterling nixed it (rightfully so IMO)

And do you really think a young lottery bound team with cap space is going to trade a young up and coming player along with Afflalo to get a PG who's going to soon be a restricted free agent?

Rob Hennigan is a WAYYY better GM than that. Trust me.

ClipsGForce
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Sound like Jamal Crawford.

Dunkathon
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I will agree Bledsoe's a better defender than any of the PGs I listed. Not sure where you heard the top 5 PG talk coming from, because as good as he was doing, I remember that Dragic and Hornacek (even Green to an extent) were getting more credit for Phoenix's turnaround than Bledsoe. That being said, he was the second biggest reason (at the very least) Phoenix had the turn around they did.

As for the offers, we don't know just how many offers were truly given to Doc Rivers and co before they pulled the trigger on the trade they did. It's hard to predict just how Bledsoe's value would really go if he stayed another year though.

I still think people here are overinflating Bledsoe's value, but I'll agree to disagree on that.

Billupsss
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I hope Jamal is traded as well.

ClippersDA
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Jamal is already moaning on twitter about how loyalty is underrated. This was in buildup to draft when we were trying to trade some wings

It's like an annual tradition - passive aggressive, immature tweets from jamal Crawford. So over it. I hope he is traded because he takes it so personally clearly. It's always like waiting for the other shoe to drop

Icecoldclipper
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If this is a trend maybe we get another sixth man of the year performance. I want our players to care Jamal forced the issues at times but Doc and cp/Bg also looked for him to bail us out. Until a proven third option is added the clips will continue to look for Crawford to get hot .

Agent0
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Teams didn't see Bledsoe as a future 20/5/6 guy. We didn't see him as that either. Phoenix was surprised to get that from him. Also the Suns spread offense really helps with that as Frye is not just a big man out of the paint, he's a big man out of the paint and taking a lot of three's, that really opens the floor.

Teams saw Bledsoe as a 15-16 PPG, 5 rebs, 5-7 assists guy who had turnover issues, but had his greatest value on the defensive end. We can't judge trades with hindsight that wasn't the actual expectation. If that was how Bledsoe was viewed, we would have gotten more value for him, but we also can't get it twisted into thinking we were going to trade him for an All-Star. The value for him was in above averagish players like Afflalo, not All-Stars.

Agent0
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Well to be fair to the FO if you're Jamal, he has to realize that he was not a Doc guy. Doc inherited him, he didn't go out and get him like J.J. for example. Also, Jamal is 34 years old and only has value in this league in his isolation/scoring and shooting ability. He's not to be relied upon as a glue guy, playmaker for others, defensive player, hustle guy, so it's not like it is a crazy thing that his name would surface.

This is certainly the chance to sell high on Jamal. Age is not just a number, and the more time passes, when teams are saying "he's a 35 year old one dimensional SG", then it becomes an even harder sell. Right now he's a 34 year old one dimensional SG that just had the best scoring season of his career.

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Bledsoe by Phoenix media and everybody else was being labeled the best player on the Suns early in the season, I remember it pretty clearly. Dragic got going more towards the middle and end of the year, especially when Bledsoe went down.

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I keep checking back here hoping to see some kind of good news....

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the great news is that Dudley only has two years left on his contract. his salary is somewhere around $4.2 million per year. Despite how bad he is this may entice some teams to acquire him, especially around mid season when his contract dwindles to 1 1/2 years.

every year we see teams with a disgruntled star that is still under contract, and when this arises that team is looking to get rid of the disenfranchised player and rebuild. while Dudley may not be an expiring contract, at 2 years left that is not a bad thing.

pageC4
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so during Doc Rivers regime is it too much of a stretch to say that he is giving the Cleveland Cavaliers a good run for their money on worst draft decisions of the decade?

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Isn't this guy the 28th pick. Why is everyone so upset? I'm expecting nothing but just his rookie duties if he signs. Also just some garbage time if he's in uniform. Everyone chill

clippyclip
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^ Exactly. Our weaknesses will be addressed through trades and FA.

ClipperKyle32
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Yea that argument isnt the greatest. 28th Pick - Tony Parker , Greives Vasquez, etc San Antonio Draft Great PLayer at 28th Tiago Splitter Ian Mahimi Beno Udrih Leonardo Barbosa and now after out 28th pick they draft Kyle Anderson who....

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clippyclip
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The argument isn't invalid. Drafting great players late in the draft isn't the norm. While there very well could have been better players available, there's no guarantee that they are. Hell, even consensus lottery picks are routinely busts. Who knows, Wilcox could even be one of the Parker or Ginobili types. You just really never know.

Beyond that, the answers to our problems don't like in an unproven, late pick. Like I, and others, said, we'll take care of those issues with players that have experience both through trades and free agency, and Wilcox or anybody else we may have picked will see about as much playing time as Bullock did last year.

Billupsss
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Just because it was the 28th pick, it means we have to waste our pick and draft a shooting guard, our least needed position to improve? There were easily better players we could have chosen, given it was a good draft also.

clippyclip
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But that's the thing - is it our least needed position? We have no idea what trade packages are being considered but I'd wager that we'll be losing JCrossover or Bullock in addition to Willie.

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I wouldn't say it was our "least needed position to improve". Offensively we're fine, but we have zero defense at SG. That's what makes me believe that either Jamal or JJ will be gone before very long.

Billupsss
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CJ Wilcox is a bad defender, so... We still have zero defense at SG.

Billupsss
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It definitely is our least needed position. We've had a bench PF/C problem for about 2 years now, still have that problem. With Collison probably leaving, we wouldn't have any other PG on the bench and a rookie point guard could have learned from CP3. The only half decent small forward we have is Matt Barnes and he should NOT be a starter on a championship team.

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I don't think he was drafted to rescue our pitiful SG defense. That's why I suggested that one of our multi-million dollar options at that position might be on their way out.

3rd String... Backup... Insurance... Project... get it?

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Billupsss
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Well, to be honest, I'll be fine with our draft choice if we DO trade (two) of our other shooting guards, like you said.

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