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Agent0
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If it is SA that will turn him into an All-Star, and not his actual skill level, then it is irrelevant whether we drafted him or not because if it is just SA, then we wouldn't be drafting an future All-Star.

If Kyle Anderson's projection was an All-Star he would have been drafted earlier. I believe he has potential as a good role player and that's what they will likely develop him to become, a high level role player, but people need to calm down with this idea that SA just makes any player into an All-Star and that because SA got him we just missed out on an All-Star (statements that conflict each other anyways)

I liked Anderson because I thought his skill-set makes sense for this team as well as his length, maybe something like a better offensive Jared Jeffries without as good/versatile defense. I don't think there's a good argument for Wilcox being the BPA at our pick, but maybe the best shooter available. So talent wise, I wouldn't say we got the best guy left, Doc said don't pick for need, but it seems like he sees shooting as a need and picked for shooting not for BPA, so he contradicts himself there.

...but this "well now SA got him and he'll be an All-astar" is just dumb. If he becomes an All-Stsr because of SA, well we clearly don't develop players like they do, so why would he be one with us if that's the thought process? If we can also make the 28th pick into an All-Star, then we should be able to do it with Wilcox. If we had picked Anderson and SA Wilcox, would he be in the path to stardom?

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The odds are C.J. Wilcox is a bust. The Clippers were picking 28th... Give me the guy who has a great skill set already at age 21, is significantly bigger, and probably has a higher ceiling. Drafting Wilcox over Anderson was baffling to me on so many different levels. Is Anderson THAT slow or something? I just don't see the reasoning behind drafting Wilcox at #28. If anything, I'd say Anderson has a better chance of becoming a trade chip, so draft him for that reason at least.

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I think the Wilcox draft was a smart one because many four year players are devalued because they are older and their ceiling may be lower. No one is expecting Wilcox to be a break out star, but he could end up being a valuable reserve player who is in the league for ten years.

He will have a better career than many of the "Upside" players taken ahead of him, some of whom have no notable skills yet and will be disasters on a par with Korolev.

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Are the odds higher for C.J. to be a bust or Anderson? I think C.J. actually is the one most likely to reach his expectations. Anderson has more potential but C.J. might have a higher floor.

His floor is end of bench role player, ceiling is bench / borderline starting role player. Anderson's floor is D-League, and his ceiling is versatile high level role player, so Anderson's ceiling is higher, that's more of what it looks like, but floor favors Wilcox. I'm not saying it was the best pick, but there's more to suggest that he is more likely to be a rotation guy than a bust. NBA level shooting ability at the least gets you somewhere.

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Hey all, here's a great article on what Doc's reasons may have been when he drafted Wilcox:

How C.J. Wilcox fits the Clippers

PLAYA VISTA, Calif. -- In a bold and surprising move, the Los Angeles Clippers selected Washington shooting guard C.J. Wilcox with the 28th pick of the 2014 NBA draft.

The decision raised some eyebrows because the Clippers already have shooting guards J.J. Redick, Jamal Crawford and Reggie Bullock under contract and needed help at other positions, particularly in the frontcourt.

The Clippers wanted to take the best player available and weren't focused on position needs when they drafted C.J. Wilcox.

Darren Collison (point guard), Danny Granger (small forward), Hedo Turkoglu (power forward) and Glen Davis (forward/center) are all entering free agency on July 1, and the rest of the bench is barren -- except at shooting guard, where the Clippers also have a team option on Willie Green.

According to head coach and president of basketball operations Doc Rivers, the team wasn't concerned with finding a player that fit positionally, and they instead focused on finding the best player available.

"C.J. is a great shooter and I value shooting," Rivers said. "You know, when you're at [No.] 28, I don't think you can afford to pick [for] what needs you have. I have never thought that.

"We have Jamal and J.J., but [Wilcox is] the best player, and I think you can always make it work when you can get the best player. I thought as far as for shooting, in this league, you need it, you can never have enough of it, and I'm a big believer in it. I thought he may have been the best shooter in the draft, if not No. 1, No. 2."

It's not difficult to see Rivers' rationale. Wilcox averaged 18.5 points per game and posted a 60 percent true shooting number last season. He's certainly one of the best marksmen in the draft, shooting 39.1 percent on 7.2 3-point attempts per game. Already an elite spot-up shooter (he shot 43 percent on spot-up jumpers last season), he has the ability to pop out or curl off screens into open space and also pull up out of pick-and-rolls. He elevates nicely on his jumper and has a quick release and deep range.

For a team that ranked just 22nd in 3-point shooting percentage, Wilcox is a smart and useful addition. He is somewhat of a one-trick pony offensively, though he does his one trick exceptionally well. He isn't much of a slasher -- 72.1 percent of his shots were jumpers last season, and 52.9 percent of his shots were 3-pointers -- as evidenced by his 4.1 free-throw attempts per 40 minutes, a below-average mark for a scorer of his stature.

Wilcox improved as a ball handler over the course of his NCAA career, and though he can't create his own shot reliably or facilitate much, he takes advantage of unsuspecting defenders and lazy closeouts to penetrate into the paint. His 37.5-inch vertical gives him sneaky explosion, providing him with an edge when finishing at the rim in transition and half-court settings.

Though only 6-foot-5, he has a 6-foot-10 wingspan, implying he can defend small forwards at first glance. However, his thin frame holds him back. He's easily overpowered when bigger wings drive or post up, and he can't hold his own on the glass. Unless he bulks up another 10-15 pounds, Wilcox will probably only be able to defend 2-guards. He can feel asleep and lose his man occasionally, but on balance, he's a solid defender who uses his length properly (he averaged 1.0 block and 1.0 steal).

In a conference call with reporters at the Clippers' training facility Thursday night, Wilcox compared his game to Danny Green, Ray Allen and Richard Hamilton. Green is the most realistic comparison, as he's a 3-and-D specialist. Rivers was hesitant to praise Wilcox's defense prematurely, as he said there's a steep learning curve for all rookies defensively, but he sees his value as a two-way player.

"He's long, he's athletic, and it's rare when you get a shooter like that, not only he's a catch-and-shoot guy, too, that wants to defend. That's a great combination," Rivers said. "Like most of the time you get a shooter but [he] can't defend or a shooter but [he's] not athletic. We have a great shooter who can defend and is athletic, so I thought that was important."

In many ways, Wilcox is a carbon copy of Bullock, who was selected with the No. 25 pick in last season's draft.

Both projected as spot-up shooters with limited ball-handling and shot-creation skills. Neither was a stout defender in college, but both were average to slightly above-average because of their relative length. The issue, when comparing the two, is that Wilcox isn't as good of a shooter as Bullock in college, is smaller in both height and weight, and is older by a few months.

Age is the main concern with Wilcox. He's 23 and will turn 24 in December. Optimists will say he is more experienced and ready to contribute right away. Pessimists, however, will point to the fact that prospects that old rarely see significant improvement and that his ceiling isn't much higher than his current ability. Wilcox disagrees.

"I come in with a different approach and a different understanding of how things work sometimes -- not always getting what you want," Wilcox said. "I had to work from the bottom to the top. That's kind of always how I've been. Even though I'm 23, I feel like my game can expand in so many ways."

Still, with Kyle Anderson (No. 19 on Chad Ford's Big Board), K.J. McDaniels (No. 24), Jordan Clarkson (No. 29) and Jarnell Stokes (No. 26) all dropping farther than expected, Los Angeles could have drafted a player with just as much, if not more, talent that also fit more pressing needs. For comparison's sake, Wilcox was No. 35 on Ford's board. It sounds like a minor difference, but compound it with the positional redundancy and it's a questionable fit. Ford gave the selection a C+ grade.

Which leads to perhaps the biggest takeaway from the Clippers' draft night: The team is likely going to trade one of its existing wings, either to dump salary and clear cap space, or to acquire a useful player at a different position (a big man or a point guard).

Crawford, Dudley and Bullock have all been rumored in potential moves to open up cap room to either sign outright or sign-and-trade for superstar free agents such as LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. With a glut of wings on board and frontcourt holes lingering, it seems like a deal is imminent. The Clippers have something up their sleeve.

The end of the first round is ultimately a crapshoot, and the Clippers took the best available player with a NBA-ready skill in their eyes. If Wilcox can further develop as a defender, he has potential as a 3-and-D role player. While the fit is odd on paper, the Clippers coveted long-range shooting and took the prospect that addressed that need best.

Stats used in this post are from ESPN, Synergy Sports and Sports-Reference.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/cli ... nt?id=6691

After reading this article one passage in particular stood out to me: "Crawford, Dudley, and Bullock have all been rumored in potential moves to open up cap room to either sign outright or sign-and-trade for superstar free agents such as Lebron James and Carmelo Anthony. With a glut of wings on board and front court holes lingering it seems like a deal is imminent."

As I started to see the bigger picture this strategy seemed familiar, and it finally took me a while to figure out why I was angry at us drafting yet another player at a stacked position. A few years ago (2009), then Minnesota Timberwolves GM, Marty Kahn drafted four guards: Wayne Ellington, Ricky Rubio, Ty Lawson, and Johnny Flynn. All but one of these picks (Ellington) was a true point guard. Kahn's rationale was that in today's NBA the point guard was the most important position. His intent was to hoard all the point guards in the draft that year and wait for phone calls for bigger packages in return for one if not all of them. Kahn's plan had logic to it, or at least it did to him at the time. What followed was completely different from what Kahn could ever had imagined.

Ricky Rubio, considered the best point guard among the stable Kahn had drafted, opted to stay in Spain rather than play for the Timberwolves at the time. Wayne Ellington and Johnny Flynn both went on to obscurity, and the only player the Wolves ever found a trade partner for was Ty Lawson, arguably the guard who ended up being the best producer among all the four picks the wolves had.

In hindsight the strategy of hoarding players at positions valued (with the intent on trading for a package in return) during an era seems to be a bad one. Rather than pull of such a ridiculous strategy the Timberwolves could have just used those four draft picks to pick players at positions of need and a myriad of successful teams could have assembled with the 5th, 6th, 18th and 28th picks.

Like Kahn, Doc Rivers is shoring up a position (although in Doc's case it is SG's with the coveted 3-D skills rather than the PG's Kahn was trying to hoard) and hoping to deal one if not more of these players. Like Kahn, I feel Doc is falling into the same trap of falsely believing he can be successful at the same strategy. I'm sure now Kahn reflects on that draft and wonders what team he could have had if only he had been wise and drafted by need rather than trying to hoard and deal. I wonder if Doc will join him in remorse if Kyle Anderson becomes a star.

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I personally still think that GR3 or Cleanthony Early become better than Wilcox or Kyle Anderson. AND would have filled a need for us with barnes and duds hopefully on the way out.

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Cleanthony Early and Kyle Anderson were both on many of the draft commentators "best available" list. They seemed to have better skill sets than Wilcox, who is considered more of a "specialist" with spot up shooting. We would have done better going with either of these guys, but I suppose Doc had his reasons.

If someone is so inclined it would be cool to see how the guys drafted after Reggie Bullock did. Perhaps if people chosen after Bullock didn't do as well as him it may prove he was the best selection available.

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