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clipper*joe
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I'd rather have Livingston over DC. He is slightly more versatile and a much better defender. He can't shoot but he can run an offense. If we had to run out there with Reggie and Wilcox on the floor at any point in a game, I'd feel better with Livingston at the helm over DC. I agree with Clippers_FTW though, SF has been the weak spot. We lack PG at this point in time, but feel there is a ton of decent point guards out there that can be had for less. Where the same case....

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@clipper*joe, I don't know when you are serious or just arguing for the sake of arguing. I thought there was a consensus in regards to our starting small forward position being the biggest position of need.

We have 4 guards, 5 if you think Reggie can play the 2. We have 3 SF's which none of us think they can start. It is harder to find a quality 6'8 small forward then a decent 6' point guard. It's about the minutes that will be spent on the floor isn't it? We are talking about filling 25-30 minutes at the starting small forward spot over 12-15 minutes at the back up point guard spot.

If I told you we are getting Luol Deng, but have to use JJ or Jamal (or pick up Morris or Wayns at the min) as the back up point guard would it be worse than the same exact roster from last year?

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By that logic you would populate all spots on the roster before upgrading any of the existing ones. Since it is the starting five that spends the most time on the court and therefore is most responsible for the performance of the team, I think it makes sense to continue to look to upgrade these positions (i.e. SG and SF) first before addressing our bench. Collison played surprisingly well for us last year and no doubt contributed more than many to the success of the team. But, as a bench player, he is simply not as influential/important as a starter. If we panic about signing him before anyone else, we are likely to overpay.

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I'm totally serious. What consensus are you talking about? I said from the start that we needed no major changes next season. Some people agreed with me. I think we were good enough to get to the WCF if not for CP3. We had the Thunder just like the Spurs had the Heat in the finals before imploding on missed free throws. Just because I don't agree with you don't think I'm arguing for the sake or arguing. We don't have but one PG on the roster and you're telling me that we need another SF right NOW over another PG? we have 3 SF's on contracts and you're telling me the SF position is more important right now? Sorry, I'll side with Doc on this one.

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That's faulty logic on your part. We have 3 SF's on contract and you're telling me we need one more? By that logic, we should hoard all available players playing the SF position before any other need until we strike gold. I'm being a pragmatist here. I'm looking at the money available for our players first, the potential trades that were turned down, and lack of depth at the PG spot. Oh, and I am also looking at the time CP3 will miss due to his annual injury that usually takes 10 games or more. Sure, I'd love to get a better wing than we have now but I'd much rather get a backup PG for CP3 before anything else. And when I mean anything else, I mean before we spend the MLE. That's logical.

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I don't think we need a major overhaul, but some upgrades I believe are necessary. I think some athletic, defensive talent on the perimeter is one and a back up big is another. Just because we don't have more than one PG right now on June 30 doesn't mean we will start the season like that. Where do we need the upgrade more? At this point Marvin Williams, Sefolosha, Brian Roberts and Jason Smith and we some how lose DC, Duds and maybe Jamal.

If you'd like to start the season with the same exact roster then let's go ahead agree to disagree.

I don't think it's because we don't agree, but it seems like you like to argue sometimes.

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I argue points I disagree with. I argue points that people disagree with me about. All I asked you was some serious questions about Livingston and the money we had available. That MLE has to be partly spent on Collison or a SF upgrade. You think 5 million would suffice to get that player everyone wants at the SF position? I certainly don't. I do think we can keep Collison with that. Would you be happy with a backup PG making veteran's minimum if we use the MLE on a wing? I wouldn't. The way you upgrade the SF position is by making trades and flipping our wings for a wing. What Doc has said that his number one priority is to keep one of his players when FREE AGENCY begins. We're not getting a SF upgrade with the MLE we have to spend. In that regard, I agree.

I think some of you guys are combing free agency and making upgrade trades when Doc talks about his number one priority.

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Great Point from both sides. This is my 10 cents. I feel with a basketball team if you have holes in the roster you should fill them first before upgrading certain things. Take a boat for....

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You understand the logic!

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I'm talking about priority. I think upgrading our SF spot is priority over retaining DC, and also think the back up big is priority over retaining DC as well. Whether those things are done with the MLE or with a trade is irrelevant to me. During the offseason I want to upgrade the SF position, the back up big position how it's done is going to take work. I don't get paid to, but if I did I would gladly work on it.

I think Doc's priority talk is a lot of the typical team talk. Just like telling Eric Gordon he wasn't being included in the trade talks for CP.

As far as Livingston goes, I was saying if I'm thinking about giving DC a pay raise and that is the only thing the MLE can allow us to do then give most of it to Livingston instead. If you say we are only going to use the MLE then why not use it on Shaun over DC. They both want pay increases. So why wouldn't you give it to the guy who can actually defend more than one position?

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I get what you guys are saying. Love the analogy ClipperKyle32, I just feel that our SF is that weak part in the boat that's about to give out. It's going to be a much bigger hole than what we have at the back up point guard position.

I also think we are at risk of overpaying DC to plug up a small hole that can be filled with some epoxy.

Let me just put it out there bluntly, I don't think we need DC back unless we lose Jamal in a trade. So I'd like to get that figured out before we move ahead and just sign him back. I also think if we are giving him a raise then I'd prefer we look at our options with Livingston.

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priority is to sign a PG above everything else. Sign being the operative word. whether that means Collison, Livi, or any other PG (just so happens Doc wants Collison back), we need to fill that spot before thinking about upgrading any other position. PG is a immediate need, upgrading the SF position is a want. IMO

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PG: Paul/Collison/D West* or Livingston*

SG: Redick/Crawford/Wilcox

SF: Ariza*/Barnes/Bullock

PF: Griffin/ I.Johnson*

C: Jordan/Gortat* or Birdman*

My projected depth chart is more wishful thinking than reality lol but it would be nice if this actually happened.

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Fine give DJ Augustin the min and upgrade the SF position, now we are both happy LMAO. I would have waited until after we do something, but this will make us both happy.

The drop off is minimal and they are very close in most stats. The big difference there is salary, I think Augustin can be had for the minimum.

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Augstin would be a nice plan b if DC decides to flake on us.

LAbreakers
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pg * Paul, Collison, Delonte

sg * Willie, Jamal, CJ

sf * Ariza, Barnes, Bullock

pf * Blake, Jason Smith, Hedo

c * DJ, Kaman

  • move JJ in exchange for Trevor in sign & trade....
ClipperKyle32
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We waived Willie?

JJ isn't going anywhere. Doc almost gave up his job here for Redick. JJ is here to stay. Its Jamal or Barnes or Jared Dudley who would be traded. They have been made more than available

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maybe so, and.... don't think we are "going anywhere" w/Reddick, and.... thought we were intent on resigning Willie ??

also, not really putting a lineup out for what I think transpires, but more for what I'd wish to transpire, and.... can't see the merits of retaining Dudley.

ClipperKyle32
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Toney Douglas

laboy
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we need a quality small forward..

a back up point guard is at the end of the list..

we can get anybody and paul will school him and make him decent...

look at the last 2 back up point guards we had,.,

both were okay...practicing with paul day in and day out,they became better

we should get a young pg as a back up..

one that can play defense and is at least 6'3..

ClipSince7thGrade
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PG: Chris Paul, Delonte West, Aaron Brooks/Brian Roberts

SG: JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, CJ Wilcox

SF: Luol Deng, Paul Pierce, Danny Granger

PF: Blake Griffin, Jordan Hill

C: DeAndre Jordan, Spencer Hawes

Send: Reggie Bullock, Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes and first round picks

Receive: Spencer Hawes, Luol Deng via sign-and-trade

Not too realistic but could definitely happen if we move the money right. I would hate to lose Matt Barnes though

laboy
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cannot get pierce and deng without giving up somebody,...

pierce might cost 6-8 mil..

and deng maybe 9 mil..

so no barnes no bullock no crawford...and maybe no jj..

not enough room under the salary cap..

probably could only get one of them...pierce or deng..

then sign some guys at minimum..

Icecoldclipper
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Hope we can get Hill, E.Davis or Okafor soon

ClipperKyle32
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^^^^ Kings are shopping their Power Forwards. Maybe we can get Reggie Evans or Carl Landry for Dudley and Bullock. A bench of Farmar/T. Douglas Crawford Barnes Evans/Landry Hawes Could be really good. I say Pierce for the minimum to start and keep Barnes....

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I would love Jason Thompson, too bad he makes $6mil.

ClipperKyle32
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Carl Landry and Dudley make the same amount. Remember last year. It was split it with Barnes and Collison or Full on Landry. Sacramento needs SF depth and veterans. Dudley and Bullock for Landry allows us to....

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