Clippers Draft CJ Wilcox: Fan Reactions (P. 2)

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clipperboy24
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Haven't watched Wilcox much but this does seem like a crazy trade if we don't have another trade set up

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SamMays
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There are two things that cost us that OKC series.

  1. CP3's meltdown. Well, that's not the sort of thing you can expect to happen often. It will be treated as an aberration and CP3 isn't going anywhere.

  2. Crawford's lousy defense. That isn't an aberration. He's a lousy, disinterested defender, who isn't getting younger. He's also a ball stopper who is great when he's hot, but takes the team out of its offense when he isn't and offers nothing.

My guess is he's gone along with either Dudley or Barnes Willie Green is a great 10th man on a cheap contract.

If Wilcox proves he belongs in the league, he could an ideal backup for JJ next year. He can shoot it and he defends better than either JJ or Crawford.

I'm not saying he's going to fall into that role. I can't even be sure he won't be traded later tonight, but he's not a bad pick.

clipitgood
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I think Doc took a conservative approach with this pick. Wilcox is a lot like Reggie in that he is a mature jump shooter that should be able to defend at least adequately. Hopefully, this selection makes it easier for us to move one from one or more of our current wings. Only time will tell.

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Collison needs to get paid somehow.

jtwinnaz
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He was working out in LA with the Don

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jtwinnaz
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Did anyone catch this?

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Don't get why he was drafted but whatever

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Not for long. I think this is where we shed 1 or 2 of our existing 2 guards with others on the roster to land melo or LeBron James and fill in with rookies to meet the salary cap. MARK MY WORDS! THIS PICK WAS DONE FOR A FUTURE FA DEAL AND/OR TRADE!

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From the very limited info/videos I've seen, Wilcox seems more than a 3 & D guy. He has a pretty decent handle and is good at getting to the rim, hitting pull up jumpers, slashing, and finishing. Way more skilled than Bullock, so I'm pretty excited for a player of his quality at the end of the 1st round. I too think Crawford might be on his way out in a package for a starting SF or a backup big.

StrikeBack
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Reading some of the posts made me forget we just had a 28th pick...

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BINGO!!!

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Doc Rivers called Wilcox "the best shooter in the draft, maybe the 2nd best".

Maybe he see something we don't see.

fray_27
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Idk if anyone knows this but the Miami heat are about to trade bosh back to Toronto and get Kyle Lowry. Yesterday the big three met and maybe Lebron told then he's leaving Miami and maybe coming here!!!!

I still really really hope we get patric young we will regret not signing him if we don't

ClipperPostman
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This draft doesn't make sense unless he is just

trade bait.

He has not skill-set useful to us winning now, or plugging

up any holes.

At 6'5 he definitely isn't guarding the 3 in the NBA. Most

3's are now getting time at PF as well.

He looks a little better than reggie shooting wise, but

then again that's College (See Jimmy Fredette)

Shinob
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confidence boost for the rook..

Shinob
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most recent reports i've seen don't clippers on that list of potential candidates anymore.

BaadMaster
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Let's start to get real here, guy and girls. NO-ONE -- other than God and maybe Pops ( LOL) -- can predict these late rounders. Who can tell? Maybe it is easier with the top ten, but these late guys are impossible to judge. Any one of them could be a Kobe or a No-be. If anyone here could predict these late rounders, he would be working for an NBA team.

I predicted Zach LaVine will be the next NBA super-star. And you know what? I am probably wrong, along with the team that drafted him.

As the NBA draft saying goes, "El burro sabe mas que tu!"

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But ealry,kjj mcdaniels and gbIII was available during their time to pick. doc is so in love w shooters.he wants a shooter and tell that player to play defense. he should pick a long sf w a lot of skills.cj is just a shooter.im disappointed with this pick.kj mcdaniels was a better fit.he can complement the team w defense. til now we don't have that wing stopper the team needs.all shooters all offense.

kjavis
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this guy reminds me of

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Jamal Crawford

LEL

ClipperPostman
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Well it's not about trying to guess if they are going to be the next superstar. That happens once every 25 years maybe. But generally when you watch film on late rounders you can predict what type of player they will be for the most part. Late rounders are picked for specialty skill-sets that stood out in college. Wilcox is a shooter, and could turn out to be a decent scorer in this league. The question is whether or not he can transfer that skill-set to the NBA. That's what can't be predicted. But if he can transfer his skills to the NBA level we can pretty accurately guess what type of player he will be, especially at the age of 23.

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I'm guessing we package one of main SG's (plus Reggie) along with one of our SF's for a starting SF. Probably not in the LeBron/Carmelo league, but Deng isn't out of the question.

Jamal/Dudley/Bullock for Deng would be a big step forward. Leaves our MLE for a third Big and BAE for backup point.

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Well the real question should be in a poll,which SG is getting shipped out

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I don't like the idea of CJ but it depends on what happens next.

I know there is always room for shooters, but feel that this did not even give us potential to improve. Is it just JJ insurance. I'm pretty disappointed in this pick and it only gets worse the more I think about it.

I wanted Jerami Grant or GRIII and would have happy with Kyle Anderson and a few others, but just didn't get the pick. Unless we traded both JJ and Jamal, but we know this kid isn't going to play so I'm confused about what our team is doing. Did we just replace Willie Green?

chonkyfire24
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I would have taken Kyle Anderson.

chonkyfire24
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rofl. I didn't even notice when I watched it live.

Agent0
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Isn't this a really bad example since despite his small stature, Jimmer had made 40.1% of 456 3PA in the NBA, 43.8% of his 240 3PA after his rookie season and is actually an excellent NBA shooter but just can't guard a position in the NBA.

So if he's actually a better shooter, he'll be a better shooter, but your other points are what are the issue, and they point to us making a move. It's obviously hard to judge the pick before the whole off-season is over, but we also all wanted something "tangible" in terms of filling some of our holes and this pick gives us wait and see, which is not the favorite thing for fans.

Agent0
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The problem with this idea is that Cleveland doesn't need any of that. Cleveland's guard/forward situation:

PG: Kyrie Irving (on ball player)

SG: Dion Waiters (on ball player)

SF: Andrew Wiggins

Others: Jarrett Jack, Alonzo Gee (team option)

They have no incentive to sign and trade with us since they don't really want Deng back with Wiggins in the fold. We are the ones that will have to convince them to send him to us, and telling them to waive Jamal and pay him $1.5M, have Dudley for 2-3 more seasons, all to just get Bullock who won't play any minutes on their team is not convincing at all. They have 7 players on guaranteed contract, plus Wiggins, 8, and if they sign their second round pick, 9. They have 3 players with team options (Varejao, Gee and Karasev). I'm assuming at last 2/3 are pick up, so we are at 11 players. This trade would have them exchanging 3 for 1 which would put them at 14 players with too many at the same position.

I know, it is sad, but Deng would have to take the MLE if he REALLY wanted to come here. So we have to convince him to REALLY want to come here.

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too bad that the Clipps felt like they needed to use a first round pick to recoup the loss of their second rounder.

Doc Rivers is doing a good Larry Brown impression with personnel, and.... did I read correctly that he hired assistant coaches for his GM and VPs ?? at the moment, would venture a guess that CP3 is our best personnel man in the building.

if we're gonna be a perennial playoff team, we need to draft playoff caliber basketball players, i.e. players that play defense and that can get to the hoop.... appreciate the homerism to a degree, but some of you might want to take a closer look at the tape on Wilcox, and not just the highlights, and.... for those of us who are enamored w/players' jump shots and offensive game, once upon a time there was a guy named Bo Kimble who could shoot some too.

if I was a bettin' man, would wager that Kyle Anderson, Jarnell Stokes, GR3 and Walter Tavares all would have been much the better for us as picks, and that another coupla few or so.... DeAndre Daniels, Spencer Dinwiddie, Markel Brown.... are all guys I wouldn't bet against as not being better than CJW, and.... that doesn't include a few other names that have been well littered about this board and others as viable picks for us @28.... Wilcox could well have gone 10 or as many as 20 slots later.... am half embarrassed for the Clipps.

Icecoldclipper
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From reports seems Wilcox I'd a bad defender.

clipperboy24
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I have only watched the highlights but he doesn't really look like he has a quick release and just overall looked underwhelming. Hope we got something better in the works

Icecoldclipper
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Doc didn't help on his sells pitch interview. wonder how much Doc actually cares about the draft.

Agent0
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  • On the defensive end, Wilcox has room to improve. Lacking great lateral quickness, he tends to be too upright when trying to deny dribble penetration out on the perimeter, struggling to stay in front of quicker and more physical guards at times. Playing with good intensity and working hard to get a hand up on shooters, Wilcox would benefit from continued work on his frame.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz35uQ3iZ4E

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That was from Feb 2013, has he improved much on defense since then? No one really says anything. Seems like right now at best he projects as a below average defender, he could improve on that, but it isn't "expected" that he'll be a good defender.

....it's hard to justify this pick as being the most logical choice. If the goal is just getting a pure shooter, you can try and see if you can get Anthony Morrow for cheap. The Pelicans signed Morrow for the minimum last season. He's a FA now, and he'll be 29. He shot 45.1% 3PT and averaged 16/3.5/1.5 per 36. He has a career 16/4/2/42.8% 3PT per 36. He measures out similarly with a 6'10.5 wingspan , was actually measured at 6'5.5" without shoes, but not official NBA measurement. Morrow can't get to the basket, but he's excellent at using fakes into a one dribble pull-up that he hits better than most of the league. Defense is bad.

Wilcox seems like he can contribute early, but still, he doesn't make that much sense. Still, we'll see what happens. In the end, let's say Crawford is traded for a SF, I'm not enamored by Redick / Wilcox as the SG's, I'd still by far prefer a length defensive guy like a Sefolosha to compliment Redick.

I've yet to really get in tune with what Doc is specifically trying to do with his moves. The signing last summer also were a bit iffy to me, but I'll always give people a chance for the dust to settle and see how it all plays out before giving a final word.

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I doubt Deng plays anywhere for the MLE... he has European connections and could easily make much more over there. Still, I don't think it's such a tough sell to Cleveland. Jamal and Dudley are the makings of a good bench along with Jack... Reggie as a future project. They owe us a favor after the Irving thing... call it karma.

BaadMaster
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I don't criticize much. But not taking Ryan Anderson? Gimme a break.

Jerediscool
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How were we going to take Ryan Anderson away from the pelicans?

BaadMaster
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Obviously, I meant Kyle Anderson of UCLA. Taken by Pops -- he (and us CTBers) knew. Maybe Doc should stick to coaching. This was one bonehead move.

Jerediscool
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What if Kyle Anderson ends up sucking? What if there's a reason everyone else ignored him? What if there's a reason you aren't an nba scout? Don't jump to conclusions just because Pop picked someone

He didn't get much right last year. Before that he took Cory Joseph who isn't all that special. Before that some other dude who's bounced around. He's hit big on some and misses on others. People need to relax before anointing pops the basketball god

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Isn't this guy the 28th pick. Why is everyone so upset? I'm expecting nothing but just his rookie duties if he signs. Also just some garbage time if he's in uniform. Everyone chill out

Agent0
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If you can figure out where you find guard minutes for Kyrie, Waiters, Jack and Jamal, and if Dudley helps make such a good bench, then why wouldn't we keep him?

Come on, let's be honest here, if you are a Cleveland fan, how do you react to this trade?

Icecoldclipper
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Its more of a pick that was completely against any need. Doc talked about he didn't suspect to get much late in the draft well he should of reached for a better fit then. Even if JJ or Jamal are traded Doc still will look for a vet to put in front of him. CJ should of been dealt to a team needing shooting for a spare big

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My point is picks don't matter that much now that we're contenders. People should know that

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We still have holes to fill and upgrade some spots, and a new fresh leg would have helped a lot. A first round pick is a first round pick, why waste it? We don't have any picks next year.

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Wow....

tense2
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Ah, picks do matter whether your a contenders or not. You should know that.

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