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ClipperKyle32
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The opinions on CTB or hard to determine. I have never gotten a definite who over who type of answer! With the Nets in turmoil, Livingston out, I doubt KG and Pierce want to stay....

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Clippers_FTW
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Deng, Ariza, then Pierce in that order

CapsNClips
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1.) Deng - Best defensive SF on the market other than LBJ

2.) Pierce - Amazing isolation player with catch and shoot ability. Also cheap and won't harm our future cap flexibility

3.) Ariza - Good defender with great intangibles and a good 3pt shooter

ClipperKyle32
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toohipcliptoslip
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Welcome to CTB. I usually have at least three opinions on every subject.

First and foremost we have to think of the cap. Pierce and CP3 depending on how much PP has in the tank is lethal. PP may be cheaper. Playing with Doc on a contender but the loud flushing sound you hear will be our defense. Having said that Dudley defended maybe as well as Gomes. I've always preferred Deng but $$$$.

I'd rather shut down Melo than have him. "Cut off the head of the snake and the snake dies". Santos Trafficante

Did he do it?

clipitgood
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Among the free agents, I actually think Marvin Williams presents a good value. He would not command a huge contract, is fairly athletic, has a diverse offensive skill set, and is an underrated defender. Additionally, we could use him as a PF in a small ball lineup.

fullcourt
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Go big or go home. Now is the time in which you go after Melo or Lebron. Id offer anyone not named Blake or CP for either of those guys at this point and form our own true big three.

clipper*joe
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Not much else after those two guys.

namzug
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We could always try to throw everything at the position, but I do feel that was what we tried last year. Then would play them as a back up 4 since we are bad there too.

namzug
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If these guys don't get signed I wouldn't mind giving a camp invite to any of these guys:

SF

Wes Johnson

Brandon Rush

Francisco Garcia

Xavier Henry

Cartier Martin

Darius Miller

Chris Douglas-Roberts

Beasley

Bigs

Kevin Seraphin

Ivan Johnson

Earl Clark

and the Biedrins

uncool
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So it looks like the Suns are going after Luol Deng.

They have more cap, so they have a better chance, but this might make Gerald Green more expendable to them.

I'd love for a trade that included Dudley since they seemed to like him in Phoenix, but if they don't want him, I'd trade Jamal & Reggie for Gerald & Miles Plumlee!

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Good point. Doc brought in Dudley, resigned Barnes, and even brought in Granger during the trade deadline, but we still didn't find a true starter among the lot. What is difficult about the situation is that by all accounts Dudley was supposed to be a solid acquisition, a 10 PPG player with a 40% shooting percentage from beyond the arc. Little did we know he would get fat and forget how to shoot over the course of the year.

da11da
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I'll take a Parsons if we can afford him

JQuick32
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Agreed about LeBron, but our chances went down considerably when Wade opted out. Melo is an albatross who shouldn't be on any team interested in winning.

My main concern is that Deng, Ariza, etc. will all be signed ASAP by teams with cap space, and we'll be left waiting for the inevitable first/second round exit.

Sadly, I don't trust our incompetent FO to properly address the gaping hole at SF, considering they just blew a draft pick on yet another SG and their main focus is apparently resigning Collison in a league where backup PG's are a dime a dozen. We'll probably settle for whatever we can get from the scrapheap at the trade deadline and hope that Barnes and Dudley can pull their heads out of their asses (fat chance).

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Ariza or Deng should be our main focus since it's obvious that both Melo and LeBron are long shots. Marion would or Pierce would be ok consolation pickups.

Clippers_FTW
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What if.... And lets not get ahead of ourselves... But... What if Granger gets healthy and returns to form lol.

LAbreakers
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Ariza.... do like Francisco Garcia and/or Xavier Henry @sg.

ClippersDA
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We put ourselves in this terrible situation by continuously kicking the can of our small forward problem down the road. Now we have two small forwards that are not starters in this league and no flexibility to sign a quality free agent. Too obsessed with guards for too long

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It seems as though the Clippers are caught in a tight spot at the moment. Both the Nets and Wizards shot down our attempts at trying to trade for Paul Pierce or Trevor Ariza. Deng might be looking for a big payday rather than the chance to win a championship. That leaves us with some good SFs but not of the caliber as mentioned above. There is always the possibility that we could get one of these players, but to prepare for the worst, who would you guys like to see signed or sign/traded for besides the ones mentioned above? I have really no idea who to go after at this point and that is why I would love to see your guys' opinions!

TheThinkingSomething
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Yes, I agree that we appear to be in a tight spot ATM. From what I can gather, it appears that Doc felt confident that Crawford winning 6MOTY would up his value sufficiently to facilitate a trade for a starting 3. This would then free up the MLE and BAE to use to shore up our other holes (backup PG/big). The problem, then, seems to be that no one was drinking the Crawford coolaid like Doc was. Damn, I hope I'm way wrong...

CP3Heliflopter
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The only thing were missing is a good 3 and D SF.

We got a quality backup big in Hawes(questionable D though) and a decent backup PG in Farmar. It seems like we always struggle with getting decent SFs.

Sterling really ******* screwed us over by nixing the Ariza trade. **** him.

ClipperPostman
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I don't think this is true at all. I think if you look at the rosters of the teams we are trying to trade with they just don't have a need at that position.

Decent SF's are harder to come by these days, and thanks to guys like Lebron, Durant, and Melo they have become an important position to have at least a solid player.

TheThinkingSomething
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So, why would you say that we are out of exceptions (besides vet mins) without having filled our hole at the 3? Because Doc forgot to check if all the potential trade partners had a need at that position?

itsLuigi
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if we miss out on deng we should go after marion. we need some defense.

JQuick32
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Has Ariza disappeared off the face of the Earth or something? He supposedly met with us and the Wizards and then.... nothing.

Jerediscool
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Everything is hinging on LBJ and Melo as of right now. As soon as they are off the board, everyone else will be too, like dominoes

ClipperKyle32
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I have been saying the same thing. It seems that if he wanted to return to Wizards he would have already, they already offered him a deal at his meeting in LA. If he wanted....

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namzug
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I'm a little confused by the league. I thought Jamal would have some fair trade value. I thought it was weird with Meeks and our very own DC getting contracts for more or on par with Jamal's own contract. Why are we having so much trouble trying to find someone to trade with when Jodie Meeks just got 3/19. Can someone enlighten me? Is it the age? Is Jodie Meeks better than Jamal and I don't see it?

I thought teams like Chicago would be interested, which they might be just waiting on what happens with Carmelo? I thought Washington could use a guy like Jamal if they were to lose Ariza anyways? I thought Ariza for Jamal and Matt sounded pretty fair if you were going to lose Ariza anyways.

I know we don't have the best assets, but it seems there should have been a market for Jamal at the least. Is it possible that we are only trying to unload Jared and Matt? Could it be that we have been trying to unload JJ instead of Jamal?

SamMays
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Jamal Crawford is an older player in the league now and the older you get, the less value you have regardless of production. Rebuilding teams aren't interested because he won't be around, or still in his prime when they are ready to compete. They want younger players. Playoff teams are very careful who they add, because they already have their stars and their scorers. The guys they add are usually niche players who do one thing well; rebound, shoot, defend Jamal is a scorer and ball stopper.

Also, Jamal is a well-travelled player. Every team in the league knows him and has formed an opinion about him. Several have happily moved him out of town. He always puts up numbers, but isn't perceived as a team guy who helps you win as he's played most of his career on bad teams. Also, several of his former teams have gotten better after trading him. Add to that, he's a very, very disinterested defender and there are only a limited number of teams that will want a guy like him.

Look at us. He scored a lot of points last year, is on a reasonable contract number and yet he is still someone the teams wants to trade in order to get better.

namzug
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I'd also rather us go after PJ Tucker over Paul Pierce. I know there was the small incident last year, but we've had similar events with Matt and Lamar and they seemed to be fine. If we are able to get Hawes under a sign and Trade deal, I wouldn't mind PJ for the MLE.

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All these small forwards are asking for 10 million plus. Which is too much to afford, instead of going after overpriced money hungry players who have red flags about them we should look at cheaper routes. Paul pierce can score but with age his defense has gotten worse and the team needed defense on the wing. Although luol Deng is 29 he has played heavy minutes with the bulls for years eventually and his healthy will be in question. Trevor ariza only plays good on contract years outside of that he was trad multiple times and was on the verge of being traded again until his contract year again. The more smart trade would be going after Wilson chandler who can score and play defense.he is playing for 6 million per year which is reasonable for his production and health issue.

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All these small forwards are asking for 10 million plus. Which is too much to afford, instead of going after overpriced money hungry players who have red flags about them we should look at cheaper routes. Paul pierce can score but with age his defense has gotten worse and the team needed defense on the wing. Although luol Deng is 29 he has played heavy minutes with the bulls for years eventually and his healthy will be in question. Trevor ariza only plays good on contract years outside of that he was trad multiple times and was on....

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ClipperPostman
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The answer is Doc is on the inside and has his own strategy, and we get all our information from "sources" in the media. He may be going after lower-profile SF's in trade talks. Everyone on this board is talking about the same 3 SF's, and those teams have no use for Jamal. Wizards, Cavs, and Nets. Those are just 3 teams.

Furthermore I don't think trading Jamal is smart at this point. We only have 1 hole to fill and when the dust settles well before the start of the pre-season there will probably be bargains to be had. similar to Doc waiting after trade deadlines to get Big Baby and Granger (who unfortunately didn't pan out).

The quick trigger lets make big noise in free agency teams are generally teams who don't make the playoffs are first round exists. When you are 20 seconds away from a potential Conference finals you don't do a bunch of stupid big profile moves to possibly kill the identity and chemistry of the team. You make solid calculated upgrades, which I applaud doc for doing. Jordan Farmar, and Spencer Hawes.

Go study successful franchises over the long term. Outside of losing a key player to FA you don't shake things up too much. That's way too risky and immature. I am also aware that most fans on here are use to having a consistent losing franchise and aren't really aware that many dynasty teams went through the same growing pains and retooling efforts we are going through.

They didn't make huge changes every offseason. That's a sure-fire way to blow the success you are already having.

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Yeah I agree with you, Chrisclipsla said we can get him for Barnes, 1st rounder and another player to make the salaries work out. If this is truly the case, pull the trigger. Our roster would then be looking deadly: Paul/Farmar/West (Whenever Paul/Farmar get injured) Redick/Crawford/Wilcox Chandler/Granger(Resign)/Bullock/Dudley(if not traded) Griffin/Ed Davis Jordan/Hawes/Perkins(if amnestied, enforcer and brings toughness) That is a nice lineup if we can pull it off somehow. Our SF position is still lacking depth, but if Granger/Dudley or even Bullock has good year, we are set on that position too. Although, Dudley may be involved in such a trade, one would hope.
Do we really....

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toohipcliptoslip
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Granger is a huge risk. He's injury prone and he may want to start on a lesser team and he may have lost his mojo --Grant Hill, Jamison, RICKY DAVIS!

$4.5 good gamble.

Agent0
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We're not getting Ed Davis for the minimum, too many bad / mediocre teams out there with money that will look to tap that potential. If Jodie Meeks can get how much he got and Ben Gordon $4.5M, for sure Davis can get at least $3M. The only way we can get Davis now is in a sign and trade or if no one picks him up until the end of free agency, then he might be had for the minimum.

We could still go after EB...

Wilson Chandler isn't a bad option at all, but based on his contract, I don't know how it works for Barnes, too much of a contract difference.

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Ed Davis will probably ask for more than the vets minimum. In regards to back up power forwards,I can see Davis resigning for the minimum since he's still being paid from the magic next season. If he doesn't in a potential Wilson Chandler trade I would ask for Darrel Arthur. Barnes, dudley, and 1st rounder for Wilson Chandler and Darrel Arthur. SIDE NOTE: it is still very possible that the recent deals with farmar and hawes can be completed via sign and trade. clippers have a trade exception from the bledsoe trade that farmers contract can fit into. And in regards to a sign and trade deal with cab, they just need a third team to take on the extra contract since cave are trying to preserve cap space.

Chris Paul/ farmar

Reddick/Crawford

Wilson chandler/free gent

Griffin/Arthur

Jordan/ hawes

Having that line up while retaining our mid level exception and bi annual exception is possible its just a matter of working the right deals out.

CapsNClips
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If we are being realistic about our Free Agent options, I'd like to sign Wesley Johnson, Shawn Marion and Dejuan Blair.

If by some chance the market is low for Aminu, Ed Davis and Kris Humpries I'd prefer them, although it's highly unlikely.

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I would love Blair and Aminu.

clipperboy24
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^^^ I don't think Marion is realistic but the others are solid (minus Humphries, kinda puts up empty stats and seems to have chemistry problems). I would add Earl Clark to that list.

CapsNClips
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I still like Earl Clark, he can play the 3-5 positions and is a good rebounder and defender.

tense2
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2 good choices. Not much offense, but defense and rebounding their specialty.

ClipperKyle32
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My options other than Ariza or Deng in no particular order

Wilson Chandler

Evan Turner (value took a huge shot when in Indiana)

Fransico Garcia

and if all else fails. Bring Back TuffJuice

CapsNClips
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No Granger anymore.

ClipperKyle32
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DAMN options going away quickly

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CapsNClips wrote:

No Granger anymore.

Beat me to it. I am guessing the front office is assuming (hopefully correctly) that they will get someone else, and someone better. 2 mil a year for Granger seems like a pretty good value.

CapsNClips
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I was expecting Pat Riley to pull a rabbit out of the hat this summer to persuade LeBron to stay.

So far it seems like he's doing average at best.

clips4life32
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Riley is giving LeBron the Kobe treatment by signing players that bullied LeBron in McBob and Granger, haha.

dom1
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Welp i hope Dudley is getting in game shape and plays like he did 2 years ago cause unless we can snatch a Wilson Chandler in a deal with Denver its Barnes and Dudley next year smh

TheThinkingSomething
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Well, it is a good thing that no one made any mention of "stupid big profile moves," then. I think you started off with a reasonable point; that Doc has his own plan and is privy to things that we are not. Then, rather phantasmically, you shifted to a hyperbolic caricature of my question for, seemingly, the sole purpose of ranting. Yes, the best answer right now is a non-answer, but, for those of us who prefer to talk about something rather than nothing on forums, speculation is ok.

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