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itsLuigi
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Can we do a Sign&Trade for him? i would pay that for him. we desperately need some wing defense.

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD
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Even though I'm really happy we got a good back up big man in Hawes, I can't believe we haven't signed a SF yet. Finding a new starting 3 should've taken priority over signing a back up center. I like Barnes as a back up small forward, but I'm pretty sure most people agree that he was in way over his head as a starter.

The guys on my FA wish list at the end of the season were 1) Deng 2) Ariza 3) Pierce.

I really hope Doc finds a way to sign Marion. I didn't even know he was a FA until a few days ago. His defense would be huge for this team.

Other than Marion, does anybody know of any good SFs left in free agency?

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Even though I'm really happy we got a good back up big man in Hawes, I can't believe we haven't signed a SF yet. Finding a new starting 3 should've taken priority over signing a back up center. I like Barnes as a back up small forward, but I'm pretty sure most people agree that he was in way over his head as a starter. The guys on my FA wish list at the end of the season were 1) Deng 2) Ariza 3) Pierce. I really hope Doc finds a way to sign Marion. I didn't even know he was a....

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itsLuigi
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out of that list I would only take Marion and Ron Artest, maybe Rashad Lewis if he could play SF. That's not many options.

tense2
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Marion won't be had unfortunately for the min. Artest is done. Lewis is just about done, lol.

As I mentioned in this thread, Dante Cunningham is someone I'd look at for the min.

I would love to have Amino or Marion, but don't think we'll be able to get either one without involving a trade.

clipperboy24
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Aminu would be great. Cunningham... Meh

slestack11
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Amath M'Baye scored 27 tonight for the Clippers summer league team. Maybe he's our SF of the future.

kjavis
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Is it just me or is clipnation NOT the destination to be, seems very few free agents actually shown interest to really want to come here, seriously LA is Pierce home and Doc ex coach but he chose to go to Washington, for a guy that is 1-2 years from retiring makes no fkn sense at all SMH

jazclipcity3
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I really like the M'Baye guy!! He's athletic, his style of play will definitely go well with lob city. He also plays some defense!!

phaded21
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Wesley Johnson

Clipperfn4lf
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Backup 4 man: Jeff Adrien. Rotational 3 man: Cartier Martin.

Dunkathon
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It's not Doc's fault that Pierce (A) wanted more cash than the Clippers could give and (B) the Nets refused to take on any more contracts due to their ridiculous payroll, making a sign and trade impossible.

ClipperKyle32
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LoL.

tense2
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Cunningham would be good as a back up. Good defender and rebounder. No threat from the 3PT spot at all but better overall then that guy named Anderson. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_02. Much younger too.

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Furthermore, the Nets wanted to help out but it was Doc's inability to find a third team to take on the salary ( players) that kept this from happening.

tense2
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Maybe, just maybe there is a chance we could get Marion for the min, as he wants to play for team with a championship contender. If the Bulls or SA get into the mixed then that "chance" diminishes even further. But yes, there is a chance, lol. Come on Doc, work your magic.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/613/shawn-marion

SamMays
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Did I hear somebody say Aminu would be great? Really?

Great and Aminu don't belong in the same sentence. Bust and Aminu do belong together. I practically cried when we drafted him over Gordon and George. The last thing I want is to be reminded that we ever had him in the fist place.

tense2
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Bust, don't think so. He's improved since you last remember, lol.

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/12 ... rouq-aminu

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ual01.html

Now if you want to know what bust truly means, look up Evan Turner and Wesley Johnson for recent references. Ugh.

JQuick32
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Aminu > Barnes and Dudley, it's that simple.

Agent0
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I don't know if he's "better" than them, but he's a lot younger, like 10 years younger than Barnes, more athletic, a better defender, and a great SF rebounder. It isn't so much about better or worse, those guys shooting and offensive efficiency are far superior to his for example, but fit.

Aminu fits along with either a Barnes or Dudley, he brings a different dimension.

Agent0
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Yea, and it is hard. First of all any team that we'll be competing against most likely doesn't want to take in any salary and facilitate any trade to help us get better as whatever we think of Pierce, opposing teams would consider him an improvement for us. Secondly, we're talking about guaranteed salary too, so that makes it even harder. Third, since neither us or New Jersey wanted to take on salary, we are limiting this to teams that can just absorb a contract without taking any back. Then out of those teams you need to find one who wants to buy what you are selling, and then you probably need to add a sweetener like a first round pick.

Now maybe the Nets were asking for a pick, so if LAC is giving up a pick, there's only one pick, what does the team taking on salary get for helping you move a contract? The Nets obviously aren't going to give up a pick. It's just a hard situation with a guaranteed contract, a team that doesn't want to take on contracts and if you aren't willing or don't have players to trade that teams work.

Whatever, Pierce or no Pierce could help, sure, but it's not like the team can't survive without the move. We'll see what else happens, and even then, in the end, a healthy Barnes and Dudley alone is still an improvement over last season.

A healthy Barnes, Dudley, Redick, Paul (more like 70+ games) and the addition of Spencer Hawes in itself can all combine to taking the team from 3rd seed to maybe even 1st seed, that is maybe 3-4 more wins over the season, and of course depending on how SA does. So while seeding in the regular season doesn't necessarily mean best team, it puts you in a better position. So just health alone will help.

tense2
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Agree. He would be the perfect compliment to either. Then IF he can learn to shoot better (average%) at the 3 the position is his in the future.

Agent0
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Yea, and he's shown that he isn't incapable of shooting, so he needs to be with Blake and Thate in the gym, decrease a little arc. Start off with corner three point shooting at least, then develop from there.

Maybe corner three point shooting and a one dribble pull up so in addition to getting to the rim, he can also shoot a pull up against a good close-out. That would be his goal for this summer. Hit 75% on those shots in practice, which could translate to about 34-35% 3PT shooting mainly corner three's. Then next summer you can expand that range to all-around the arc, or over the season even.

Anyways, we'll see.

B_P6
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Throw my vote in for Aminu. Didn't realize he is only 23-24. Sometimes all it takes is smart coaching and development. He has the tools to be a great defender. Shows good instincts. And his stroke from 3 really isn't all that bad. With him just sitting on the market and pelicans seem to be waiting around. Maybe we can just show him that we're interested and he'll want to come here on a discount

mj_shoefanatic
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Aminu under the tutelage of Rivers would flourish. We need to dump Dudley first though. lol

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Generally speaking, once you've been released by the clippers, you never come back. With that being said, and IF he maintains consistent through out summer league and our training camp, i'd rather see this m'baye....

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mj_shoefanatic
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M'Baye looks like a decent player but it's Summer League not the real deal.

Agent0
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Summer league is just so hard to gauge because the pace is still not there, many opponents are still a step slower than the NBA, it's like D-League. Also some guys look better because they haven't been scouted,msome guys look worse because they flourish better in a system and need to play off creators. In the NBA, you play enough games and your tendencies, your weaknesses, etc are being watched, so and you're either good enough where even if they try to take away your strength you can still force it, you can either adjust and have other options, or you just look worse.

How does this guy look defensively, not that we necessarily have enough game footage / data to know how he's playing into them schemes, etc, etc, but you can still see some things. Is he regularly in defensive stance, does he stick with plays and not give up, does he look lost, does he over help consistently.

Anyways, no harm giving him a non guaranteed contract and at least have him in training camp.

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD
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haha. Hopefully, but if he scored 27, maybe Bullock would've gotten 35. Considering our chances of getting Marion seem low, it looks like we might need to rely on Bullock to step up this season. If Bullock and Barnes could give us 10 pts a piece and 4 or 5 rebounds a night, they would combine to be one damn good SF. Fingers crossed.

jarca
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Bullock can't even walk to his car without getting hurt. He's not scoring 35 in any games period

namzug
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I'd like to see us sign Wes Johnson. I think he can be a steal. He has the potential, and can do a little of everything.

Omri Casspi will probably be waived and could be a good pick up, but I think the guy played primarily small ball 4 last year.

I still believe there will be a trade, but do think our whole Sterling has slowed things up in that department. Who can sign off on things that take a hit now. Isn't it up them to just keep everything a float.

namzug
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When I say steal, I mean like Matt Barnes two years ago for us.

tense2
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Well, Barnes actually had been productive and the advanced numbers show it. On the other hand Johnson has shown very little in his time as an NBA player and is a classic bust case. Steal and Johnson just don't match up IMO.

ClippersDA
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Aminu is the athletic, slashing, rebounding defensive wing we need! I think he needs to be the target. He is more productive than Dudley and more gifted than barnes. He just needs someone to show him the way offensively. Watch the spurs get him and turn him into a Leonard type. He's been languishing on bad teams. If we can dump Dudley or get aminu to sign for minimum we should. This would give him a chance to rebuild his image. I'm sorry I know people are down on him but how much of that has to do with the fact that we passed on Paul George? He needs a proven coach to coach him up and he needs a shooting coach. It's the perfect fit!!! He is such a good rebounder it would help so much

kjavis
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Anybody is better than the dud, wheres the white mamba when you need him

Agent0
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Yea, Barnes was a lot bigger steal than Johnson would be, Barnes was actually better than Caron who were were paying $8M to. Johnson is fine if our options run out, just for the length and defense. Aminu is obviously ideal just for his pairing with our other wings and the ability to still develop him, but like we've said, going to be hard.

ClippersDA
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Are there any teams that would take Dudley or barnes and send back no salary? If so we can offer aminu a contract right? He's perfect

CapsNClips
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No and no.

ClippersDA
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Why? It's vet min or sign and trades only?

CapsNClips
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Yeah. We are at like $78mil right now. We'd have to cut like $18mil just to offer Aminu a $4mil contract.

CapsNClips
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No Marion for Mavs.

Agent0
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They might be signing Rashard as a backup PF though, I don't think he even plays SF anymore

CapsNClips
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He played a lot of SF for Miami, but no matter what position he's going to play I think the Mavs have moved on. I would think they would've re-signed him by now if they were serious about Marion.

ClipperPostman
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I've always like aminu since we first drafted him. He had the Raw Talent to be a beast. Unfortunately he suffered the same fate as pretty much all the young guys not named Blake and Jordan drafted by clippers. Lack of development or injury problems. Same thing happen to Al Thorton I thought he was going to be a beast.

Aminu has the potential to be a lights out spot up shooter. If you remember his rookie season he was shooting like 50%-60% from 3 the first couple games. Then obviously it took a drastic turn for the worse soon after, but the potential was still there. I'd love to have aminu in doc rivers system, and to play physical defense. I'd take him over anyone else on the market now.

CapsNClips
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Lewis took the minimum. That's promising for us.

C'mon Marion let's do this thing.

Agent0
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What do you guys think of Hendo? Gerald Henderson that is. I know he's been mentioned before. Charlotte is supposedly looking into Lance Stephenson, that puts a glut at their SG position, sorta. He has the size and length to also guard SF's, and really you could start him at SF or bring him off the bench as a SG/SF and he can actually defend both positions.

He's a pretty good defender, very quick laterally, always in good stance, athletic. Below average 3PT shooter when you take attempts and percentage into account (34.7% on 1.7 3PTA/36), but he's a pretty above average mid-range shooter. He can create his shots in the mid-range a little too. 26 years old, makes $6M next season and has a player option for $6M in 15-16. If moving him becomes an option for them, he's a guy we could do an offense / defense swap for. Maybe Stephenson to Charlotte, Jamal to Indiana, and Henderson to LAC if there is a way that works with salaries. Not totally sold on it, but it is an idea to infuse some defense to the team at the wing.

I'd still want to get Aminu though, both would be nice, lol

Offensively, the 3PT shot keeps him down, and he's not a great dynamic ball handler, but he can get to the basket and to the line an okay amount (4.4 FTA/36 career, 4.9 last two seasons), okay scorer (16.7 pts/36 and 2.9 assits/36 last two seasons), and can create a little off the dribble. It would be nice if he was a more efficient scorer, which would happen through higher 3PT volume and better ability there as he's not likely to just become an elite slasher now.

Thought I'd throw him out there again.

CapsNClips
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Not a fan of Henderson as a starter, especially at the SF spot.

If we are getting rid of Jamal I'd rather just throw in Barnes and a 1st round pick for a Lance Stephenson S&T.

They are both only 6'5", but Lance is way more capable of guarding big SF's like LeBron.

I say let's go full throttle of we are gonna trade Jamal.

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I want Wilson chandler his per numbers and defensive ratings are better than Andre iguoldala. He would be the perfect 3d guy for this team, and could thrive in transition with his athleticism

ClipperKyle32
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Goin ahead and saying this. Marion and Ed Davis will be Clippers!!!!

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You better be right or else I'm suing you.

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