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FYI guys I moved the Kevin Love posts here:

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ClipperKyle32
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Okay... I have for one have been one of the biggest Dudley haters. He had an awful season. I do not think we hated Dudley , I think we hated his inconsistency. I mean Jared....

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We're going to need a guy like Delonte though because he can play PG/SG and Cp3, Farmar & Redick get injured every year. Unless you're comfortable with Crawford playing PG when Chris is out and him dribbling and holding the ball for 20 secs every other possession and shooting a last second 3. I would LOVE to have Marion but I don't think he'll come for the min. If he does great but if he doesn't I'd take Delonte West over Wesley Johnson though. Take our chances on Barnes and Dudley and see what happens. If it doesn't work out hopefully we can make a trade mid season or find a guy for cheap like we did with Granger.

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New here on clippers topbuzz..been reading posts on here for awhile and used to post on *****..i mostly stick to twitter though..

However, the best option for us at sf is going to be next offseason when deandres contract expires. At the point we will be able to have some cap room open to sign a free agent in a not too bad sf free agent class. Then be able to go over the cap to resign deandre. There will be no need to just get rid of deandre because we have hawes, we will be able to have the luxury of both. There will be guys to choose from of Rudy Gay, Jeff Green, Jeff Taylor, MKG, Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, Wilson chandler, corey brewer, tayshaun prince, kyle singler, gerald green, tobias harris, thaddeus young, mo harkless, landry fields, chase budinger.

Honestly i can see the rest of this season with us signing delonte as a 3rd guard option much like willie was and maybe resigning ryan hollins or getting a guy that can play the 4 or 5 as a 3rd big..

I would love to get beasley because he can play the 3 or 4..can shoot..his mentor is in LA (Norm Nixon)..and we can match him up next to dudley or big baby..and he is a true scorer..doc can teach him his team defense as he develops into the system..thoughts?

realbull17
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Lakers just waived kendall marshall. Smile

uncool
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I don't think he can fill our hole at SF... lol

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If Dudley can study the defense and improve his help defense we'll be much better. He's supposed to be smarter than everybody since he's not the most athletic. He needs to do a better job reading the defense by getting to his help spot on time and deflecting passes

fray_27
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I honestly wouldn't mind Marshall he can really really pass the ball his defense is awful but I think doc can really groom him into a good player and let's not forget CP3 would mentor him

fullcourt
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Why do people say this even though they know its not even remotely true? We were in that exact situation for about a month last season when CP went down and Jamal didn't do it then .

The SF is not nearly as bad as some are crying about here. We don't have a star at SF but that is because we chose to spend our money at other positions namely C,PF,and PG. There is no work around and we are getting what we paid for and we have to realize that we either have to get lucky and find a future star at SF through the draft or undrafted/UFA or we have to decide to take the salary we are spending in the starting lineup and redirect it

20 mil at PG

17 mil at PF

11 mil at C

7 mil at SG

So at this point because no one is willing to gift us a star at SF we have to roll with what we have and expect our big money players to get better and to perform and to maximize their potential.

clipperboy24
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We had a starting quality PG on Darren collison last year. This year we have farmar who has not proven to be a good PG, good shooter but not a great PG.

Agent0
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Is Collison really any more of a PG than a guy like Farmar or just a better player

Didn't seem like he didn't know where to be on defense, seemed like he just couldn't get there.

The waivers are supposedly waiving Marshall to sign Henry, then looking into bringing Marshall back.

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@fullcourt, I just don't like the number we have at the SG position. It isn't 7 mil it's more like 11 mil if I'm not mistaken. We have 6 invested in JJ and 5 invested in Jamal. I don't necessarily have a problem with either just don't like that they are both offensive players. I like the effort that JJ puts on the defensive end, but he just doesn't have the tools to be a good defender (athleticism, length, size, strength, etc...).

If we had a younger Barnes I'd like Beasley to have a combo of defense and offense, but we don't have a younger Barnes. If you can't get a guy that's balanced I figure you have to get players that balance each other. Last year I thought Bled and Barnes balanced out Jamal's offense quite nice. I thought this last season DC and Jamal didn't do that as well and Duds just didn't really do much of anything well last season.

Since we don't have much money to work with I think that we have to take a flyer on a player with potential. I like Wes, Chris Douglas-Roberts, and there are a few players that I wouldn't mind taking a look at during training camp from the Summer League.

Agent0
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^I think in our situation, okay, well that's what we are spending for starters. Two of those guys are superstar level players, so there's nothing we're going to "do about that", it would be foolish to be complaining about what those guys are making. Redick's contract is not really that big a deal, also have to remember that some of our signings were made when above the cap, so it isn't like if we don't make this signing there was more room to spend on player X/Y/Z. DJ's contract, maybe you question, we will assess that situation as time goes on, but for now it is what it is. He was overpaid his first couple of seasons based on how he was used, but last season paid what the market value would be for that production.

Okay, so outright signing wise, we are stuck. We look at our highest paid backups and that is Jamal and Hawes. Dudley was supposed to be a starter, but he's a backup now at $4.3M. Hawes just got signed as a two position backup at PF and C, so does moving him to improve a starting position make sense? Probably not, he's also 26 years old and he also plays the same position as a guy who will be a FA and possibly getting a big pay day. Dudley is at an all time low in value. Jamal is 34 years old, he has valuable skills, his contract is pretty good, he's a one position player, and him and the starter at his position bring very similar impacts to a team, and that is mainly offense and not much on defense. So if you're saying "we want to improve at SF", who do you dangle to try and make the improvement? I think it is quite obvious, not really any vendetta against Crawford, it's just that realistically his skills are much more likely to decrease than to get better and him and his counterpart SG are too redundant in where their impact comes from. We also already looked at who impacts the stars production / team offensive production better when on the floor in the regular season and playoffs, and regular season was even or Redick a little better and Redick won handily in the playoffs.

The problem we have now is that the "improvement" player isn't really there anymore, but we can still find players who we make an offense for defense trade. Actually I wouldn't have a problem with trading Redick either if it is a reasonable improvement, but Doc loves his integration into the offense, and he's 4 years younger and was just signed, it just doesn't make as much sense.

Another thing about Dudley is that his value really can't get much lower, so it makes more sense to let him play the season, if he plays better, then we assess whether we want to keep the better Dudley, or if we want to trade him, his value now changes. So trading him at his lowest value point isn't a good idea anyways.


Wesley Johnson signed with the Lakers for $1M along with Henry btw, so he's out of the picture

tense2
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That's good.

namzug
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That sucks about Wes in my opinion, I thought he could be a steal for us.

Aminu would be great I just don't think he is coming back. Douglas Roberts wouldn't be that bad, but don't know too much about him (I've seen twice).

I wouldn't be mad at Evan Turner on a prove it deal.

renshaibob
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i would love Evan Turner. Perfect fit he can handle the ball and can slash and finish.

Agent0
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Meh on Evan, I mean if he takes the minimum (not too likely unless his options really run out), but no long term deal for him.

ClipperRevival
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In this day and age, you need a good wing defender because the league is filled with athletic wing players. Barnes is just not cutting it as a starter. As a backup, he's great. But not as a starter. This is the one glaring hole that's left. A two way SF would be great but if I had to choose, defense is much more important than offense as we can score.

Wes Johnson might've been a great option. He's always had mental problems but I think a guy like Rivers would've really been able to lock him in. But too late now.

preese
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We trade Crawford and 2014/2015 first round pick to Cleveland who then flip our pick for another piece to help get Love. Cleveland send Wiggins , Waiters and a 1st round pick

to the Warriors. Minnesota gets klay Thomas , Triston Thomas

Bennett and 2 first round picks,Cleveland gets Love.

JQuick32
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And we'd get nothing? Are you sure you're not a Warriors troll?

JQuick32
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Why are the Lakers re-signing all these scrubs when D'Antoni isn't around to inflate their stats anymore?

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The Lakers had a plan A: Lebron James. Plan B was Carmelo. At this stage they are at plan Z, which is resign the current players. Not their ideal, but it's what they had left

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I'm sure there may be some options down the line. But as of now we may have to stand pat with what we have. I think you hit the nail on the head though. We do need defense bad. At this point our roster, despite being a playoff roster, resembles the Phoenix Suns teams with Steve Nash. We are exciting, fast paced, glitzy, but without an elite defense a second round out is highly likely.

We already shored up the backup big positions with players that are ok but not lock down defenders, so that places enormous pressure on the front office to acquire a SF that is a lock down defender.

Still, the trade deadline always brings new opportunities, and by then we may not even have to give up a good player to get a good one back. At that point Jared Dudley will only have 1 1/2 years left on his contract, which will be a very enticing trade piece for some clubs.

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I'm not opposed to leaving our last roster spot open until the trade deadline or until players get bought out. I feel like Carlos Delfino will try to buy himself out of his contract in Milwuakee.

He's not great, but he'd be a nice addition for cheap.

Also having a roster spot open could be good if we make a trade and have to take back a bad contract.

It should go without saying that I only would do this if we miss out on Marion or Aminu.

realbull17
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they overpaid Jordan Hill 18mil for 2yrs.

realbull17
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I hope we sign Amath M'baye. He played very good in SL. Very Happy

Agent0
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Do they actually have other options?

...but they are actually doing it in a smart way, all these contracts are short contracts. They aren't committing to any of these guys long term, so it doesn't really matter.

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It's really a one year with team option. They were not willing to commit to him long term so they overpaid him to stay instead of seeking a longer term, less money deal.

realbull17
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Lakers won't be resigning Kendall Marshall. He's going to the Bucks.

ClipperPostman
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We need Aminu period.

itsLuigi
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someone use social media to spam the front office and the players. they need to know the fans want aminu back.

realbull17
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What about Shawn Marion? He's available.

Clipperfn4lf
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Aminu has no soul or personality please no.

Agent0
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Soul and personality don't win games, so who really cares as long as he can play defense?

Yea, I don't know why

people don't get this, it is a strategic overpay, similar to Kris Humphries deal with the Nets before. They paid him money in the short term as a team under the cap so that they didn't have to pay him long term money. They gave him 2 years / $18M instead of giving him for example, 4 years and $24-28M which is only $6-7M per year, but you commit to him for 4 years and lose flexibility.

If we look at it in context, the Lakers are actually making a lot of good moves with these short term contracts when it comes to being flexible.

CapsNClips
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LOL, are we trying to win Championships or Miss America Pageants?

He could be Satan himself, I don't care as long as he pulls down 7 rebounds a game and holds KD under 30 points.

Agent0
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Or makes KD have to take 26 FGA to get 30 points

renshaibob
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i would like Aminu. He adds something that we don't have and that is an athletic wing player.

CapsNClips
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Even better.

Clipperfn4lf
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He is a ghost, when he was on the Clippers did anyone ever hear him talk? Can he even speak?

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Outside of Chris Paul and Barnes (who's better suited for bench ) the clippers wings are too offensive oriented and deficient on defense. Every championship has good defenders on the perimeter who can shoot. It's not a matter of finding someone to stop stars , stars are gonna get the points regardless. Even doc rivers celtics in 2008 was center around defensive players who can shoot, history shows defensive wins championships. Just look at past champions all had good wing defenders :

2014 spurs :two 3d guys in green and. Leonard

2012-13 heat:wade, james, battier,allen (underrated defender)

2011 mavs:stevenson, marion

2010 lakers:Bryant and Ron arrest

2009 lakers:Bryant and ariza

2008 celtics:toney allen, Ray allen, posey, more mobile pierce

2007 spurs: Bruce bowen

Yes doc rivers defensive system is great, but we lack skilled defensive players to make out team defense elite.

cashdld
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Marion would definitely be a decent pick up, I just hope at 35 his body holds up

CapsNClips
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Talking is overrated. Look how it worked out for Kawhi.

JQuick32
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"When July 1 comes I'll just look at my options and see which one is best suited for me to add to my legacy. You know, it's not about money right now. I've made a lot of money in my career and I've been truly blessed."

http://www.mavs.com/heart-dallas-shawn- ... 2nd-title/

Maybe Marion IS willing to take less money.

ClipperKyle32
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IMO, he doesn't need to speak. We have Blake and Chris and Doc. Now, if we make it to the Finals and he decides he wants to go off and win Finals MVP then he....

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ClipperKyle32
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I remember this.

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Most pro-players should keep their yaps shut anyway. I am for bringing back Aminu

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Is there any indication that Doc Rivers is even speaking to Aminu or Marion? Doesn't seem like he's engaged in any free agent discussion with any small forwards.

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I doubt he is. It would be nice tho. I think the vet min will go to delonte west. I hope we sign Amath M'baye.

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IMO, he doesn't need to speak. We have Blake and Chris and Doc. Now, if we make it to the Finals and he decides he wants to go off and win Finals MVP then he can speak. Same for Kawhi, he had Tony,Manu,Duncan, and Pop. He never needed to speak. LoL

Aminu is a relly nice player , and I am leaning towards him. Younger than Marion. Has a nicer Jumper too ( we forget watching Dudley or Barnes miss wide open corner 3s was bad? Marions jumper isn't the prettiest and he will miss a lot of open shots!!!

Wow thanks, that's the first time I ever heard his voice lol. I would prefer Marion, but Aminu I guess wouldn't be awful. One thing I remember about Aminu is how he constantly shot corner 3s off the side of the backboard.

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I would rather just give the job to Reggie Bullock and hope, than bring back Aminu. He's the guy you move past when you get competitive.

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