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Agent0
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Anyone else feel like this Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins and company (Likely: Anthony Bennett and Tristan Thompson or Dion Waters) trade is a only a matter of time??? This would make it a full rebuilding mode for the T-Wolves. A month ago the Warriors would not consider taking back Kevin Martin in a trade that included Klay Thompson. Who could blame them; Klay is an appreciating asset, and Martin flat at best. However, what if post a Kevin Love trade, the then rebuilding T-Wolves, receive an offer for Kevin Martin using only the Clippers' undesirable assets....

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ClipperKyle32
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Can we just sign Marion already...

realbull17
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I think Rivers is in no hurry.

ClipperKyle32
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You guys think Dahntay Jones is too small for SF? 6'6"? Gerald Henderson is 6'5"! I'm just curious...

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Jones is like 35, I don't even know why we're considering him. Let the Knicks have him.

Agent0
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Henderson is not ideal SF size, but he's got good length and size, good defender and would be a helpful plaeyr for us. He's no worse size and length wise at SF than the guys we have, but depends on how we would get him. Jones is just not a good enough basketball player anymore.

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Rivers and others will watch D.Jones play/workout in Las Vegas early next week. I guess that's when RIvers decides who gets that last vet min. contract. Jones??? Marion??? or ???.

cashdld
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Gerald Henderson is a shooting guard, definitely good mid range shooter, and good defense, and very athletic

CapsNClips
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I don't trust Jones to defend NBA SF's, I can see him defending SG's nicely, but he's pretty old and I haven't seen him play in a while.

I wouldn't risk signing him.

TheThinkingSomething
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Any chance that Cleveland passes on Ray Allen to ensure their young SGs minutes thereby making Allen available to us? If so, we would be able to move Crawford freely for a more sound 3 and keep our bench scoring strong.

cashdld
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Trade JJ,Crawford,dudley, Barnes to the nets for Joe Johnson, Alan Anderson. Then sign Shawn Marion to minimum. Sign Shannon brown to minimum.

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B_P6
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What about Earl Clark? I read a nice article on him which I can't post. Said he's looking for an opportunity to prove himself. Maybe he can come here and develop into a 3 and D. He rebounds pretty well. But he also plays the 4. I think we could make him a full time 3 though.

bballman
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love Earl Clark but isn't he already on a team?

Agent0
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http://www.basketballinsiders.com/earl- ... al-summer/

I'm assuming that is the article the above poster was talking about. Clark has skills, but he's at that tipping point as to whether teams give him more chances. Last year was really bad for him, but he's not a bad option for a minimum contract. He does still seem like more of a 3/4 tweener than a true 3. He's just not figured out efficient scoring in the NBA so that hurts him. He has to either become a very good 3PT shooter or very good at getting himself opportunities near the basket.

...or neither, but he's a good option, I liked what I saw from him with LAL, but last season, I don't know, he struggled a lot.

B_P6
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Yea that's the article. Thanks. You're right he's had plenty of chances and he seems so up and down. Just thinking he's worth a shot. But hadn't heard if he was signed already.

slestack11
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If the Clippers can't get Marion which is very likely, then they should take a flyer on Michael Beasley. We can start the season with Barnes, but give Beasley enough opportunity to try and take Barnes spot in starting lineup. He has a lot of talent, but he just needs to have an opportunity to put it together.

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I've read Beasley a couple of times, and that has to be one I don't get. Beasley is a volume shooting, high turnover tweener SF/PF who isn't a good defender (career 11.9 FGA to score 13.2 PPG, and 1.3 APG to 1.8 TPG in 24.9 MPG). What are the thoughts on how he fits or what positive he brings to this team that makes you guys want to get him? I think it is quite telling in itself that Miami who still needs players doesn't want to bring him back so quickly. I don't think I understand the Beasley craze, someone needs to explain this. Is it just a sort of "maybe he'll explode into a star" kind of thing?

Don't get me wrong, if we're signing him it will be for the minimum, and I'm not really going to complain, just wondering how the fit works for this team that need more defense, not more offense, and even then, Beasley has been a volume shooter but inefficient, and him taking possessions from our other guys makes the offense worse despite his scoring ability. I think we have to be careful in relating individual scoring to team offensive performance.

Not sure if you checked how much money Joe Johnson makes Wink. He makes about $7M more than all those three guys combined. Also Alan Anderson can't be trade until December 15th. Wow, didn't realize you added Barnes too, sheesh, trading 4 players just for the privilege of paying Joe Johnson $23M, you're crazy man.

ClipperPostman
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It's not quoting right. I'm commenting on the Beasley part of your post.

I can understand why people here want Beasley. It's just hard to accept the fact that a guy who was such a flat out MONSTER in college can come to the NBA and be such a DUD. He has the size to dominate as well.

Unfortunately he just couldn't cut it in the NBA. Seems like a case of work ethic to me. Regardless in the NBA he just flat out sucks. But I can understand people still having a glimmer of hope that he can someone "breakout". Unfortunately after 6 seasons in the NBA safe to say he is who he is.

renshaibob
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I like Beasley. Beasley just needs a real coach, a coach that will tell him what to do at all times, just like in college. Today NBA coaches has a tendency to not teach anymore and not even take time to just correct them or yell at them. I know some players you just can't help but you have to have men on the bench willing to take time and be honest with them. A Coach has to be more than designing plays its also the organization being willing to take time and check in with these guys and i don't mean by phone. I would like to see what Doc or Pop could do with him.

But i have watched him in some games and the look in his eyes was like he wasn't really there just going through the motions. Maybe he just doesn't want to play just needs a paycheck.

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You're really underrating Erik Spoelstra, Alvin Gentry and Rick Adelman.

ClipperKyle32
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I love Spo , but anyone can be a good coach when you have LeBron,Wade,and Bosh. People thought Kidd was a good caoch because he had Pierce,DWill,Johnson,Garnett. Guys who could coach on the floor. Anywho. I hope....

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CapsNClips
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Not true, anyone can win games and championships with LeBron, Wade and Bosh.

But not everyone can be a great coach just from coaching them.

Being a great coach is more than just winning. It's about getting the most out of your players, being able to adjust on the fly, being a vocal leader for his players, being able to draw up winning plays...etc

Spoelstra got the most out of his players when it mattered like Miller, Battier, Allen, Birdman.

Those players are willing to learn and play a role on a team. Beasley??? Absolutely not.

cashdld
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I meant it only as a joke......

kjavis
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I like BEZ, offensively he is easily an upgrade over barnes/duds, defensively probably better than duds but not barnes, worth a look IMO

ClipperPostman
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If you are talking about Beasley he isn't an offensive upgrade over barnes/duds. Arguably worse.

Agent0
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It's the internet, you never know

kjavis
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You might have an argument vs barnes but lets be real, even my grandma is an offensive upgrade over duds

slestack11
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What are the odds that the Mavs would want Dudley off the bench? Maybe we can throw a second round pick to them along with Dudley to get Marion. I have heard almost no news on Shawn Marion. Are there any leads to which teams he is considering?

dom1
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Well he's not going back 2 Dallas. That Is for sure

It appears Shawn Marion is not re-signing with Dallas based on his comments this weekend.

"It was memorable, baby," Marion said. "It's hard to say it wasn't fun. We had a great run and made the playoffs four of five years and won a championship. We set goals every year, and most years we reached them. And to win a championship, it was unbelievable. I wish we could have made a couple more runs at it, but it is what it is." He's expected to sign with a contender as an unrestricted free agent.

slestack11
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I wish Rivers would focus more on getting us another small forward rather than focus his attention on boycotting because of Sterling.

ClippersDA
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As great as doc is, I can't get over how the suns got bledsoe and we got Dudley. Dudley...

bballman
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would you give Bledsoe that max extension he wants? He was going to be gone anyway. Besides,the deal was also with Redick coming here. It was the Bucks who really got screwed.

ClippersDA
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No but no one foisted Dudley on us. That was Doc. I have no idea why he liked him so much. For that price we should be getting more than just a 3 point "specialist." If it true we could have gotten derozan or afflalo...then ya that was terrible.

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we didn't give much for Dudley but a 2nd rounder. Then made Phoenix give it to the bucks as part of the 3 team trade.

ClipperKyle32
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The deal that was reported was

Bledsoe and Caron to PHX

Redick to LAC

Dudley to MIL

But NOOOOO Doc wanted Dudley so now look. It was a great trade at the time , but not now unless Dudley has a complete transformation

Agent0
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It wasn't true that we could have gotten DeRozan, that's for sure, Afflalo might have been possible, but 90% of rumors are wrong, so who knows.

Of course with Bledsoe's contract demands, not sure how it would have worked if we kept him.

Agent0
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slestack11 wrote:
I wish Rivers would focus more on getting us another small forward rather than focus his attention on boycotting because of Sterling.
Why can't he do both? There's more than one person working in the front-office, and you know, there's time in a day to do multiple things.

slestack11 wrote:
What are the odds that the Mavs would want Dudley off the bench? Maybe we can throw a second round pick to them along with Dudley to get Marion. I have heard almost no news on Shawn Marion. Are there any leads to which teams he is considering?
Why would we do that though? Also I'm pretty sure they can't sign and trade him anymore.

kjavis
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As much as i like Bledsloe was never going to work keeping him here, just wished we got something better in return

cashdld
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I remember last year, Grizzles were willing to trade Rudy gay for bledsoe, butler and fillers. Just imagine how elite this team would have been if they pulled the trigger on that trade. With Paul, gay, griffin, and Jordan. Under doc rivers coaching, Rudy gay would have played to this potential, just look at how griffin and Jordan both had career years.

bballman
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would have lost in the first round like all of Rudy Gay's teams.

bballman
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And be paying Rudy Gay's horrible contract.

cashdld
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A contract that's expiring, you make it seems like, he's signed for the next 5 years. It was 1 year and option for the second

bballman
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so you trade Bledsoe for a guy who is gone after one year. How is that better than getting Redick and Dudley?

JQuick32
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Rudy Gay is terrible.

cashdld
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Um if I do recall lac trading for Chris Paul who essentially was in a similar contract situation , before guaranteeing he'd stay for 1 more year. Mind you he was leaving if we didn't get doc rivers. Dudley is dead weight, reddick is good for offensive flow if he's healthy enough to stay on the floor. And who is to say he would after on year. I'm just discussing from a talent perspective, if you don't believe Rudy gay is better than dudley and reddick than your evaluation on talent is flawed. And for those who are gonna say He's a black hole, 2 years ago when lac signed crawford ....people said the same thing. A lot of time players need to be on the right team to thrive.

bballman
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Chris Paul opted in before they made the trade.CP3 is a good player so you roll the dice for him. Rudy Gay's teams got better only after he left. He got injured and Memphis beats the Spurs. He comes back and they lose to Clips with HCA. He gets traded and Memphis goes to WCF. He gets traded to Sac and Raptors make playoffs. Can anyone say"Stephon Marbury?"

cashdld
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Memphis beat the spurs when parker and ginobli were both hurt, Memphis beats clippers with billups back of on torn achilles and both griffin and paul hurt. They get to WCF when Westbrook is hurt for remainder of of the playoffs. And raptors...come on man easter conference is a joke.

bballman
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People who said Crawford is a black hole were right then and are right still. He is still chucking shots.

bballman
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Rudy Gay is more talented than Redick and Dudley but talent does not aleays translate into a good team player. Let's just see how well he makes the Sac Kings next season. They have all the "talent" in the world. By the way, I think Rudy Gau would be the new Jamal Crawford on this team at twice the salary.

bballman
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Eastern Conf. is a joke yet the Raptors with Rudy Gay still did not make the playoffs....until he got traded.

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