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JQuick32
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Apparently Marion is about to sign with the Cavs for the minimum? SMFH! If he signs elsewhere for the minimum then this offseason is a pretty big fail!

slestack11
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I don't think Doc Rivers or anyone in the Clippers front office even called Shawn Marion's representation. Apparently he's not Clipper material.

TheThinkingSomething
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If that's the case, then it's probably a result of Doc's "shooters" fetish.

itsLuigi
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I hope that's not true. We see the problem at the small forward position, I don't see how he can't.

illastrate
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Not true, Doc's already had multiple conversations with Marion. The interest is there. It's up to Shawn where he wants to go.

CapsNClips
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I love the "He's interviewing with a team, which means that's the only team he's interviewed with" theory.

worm
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Big fail again? Just relax , I think you want an all star team compose like USA basketball team representing Olympics. Lol.

kjavis
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apparently DA agrees with you there

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/features/d ... index.html

gman
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The world is coming to an end!!!! Marion may sign with the Cavs. Oh me oh my. This pre season sucks. It is over let's give up. Heck, we should just tell the team to not play next year.

Calm down. Doc is doing everything he can with what he has. Got a back up big for a discount. Try everything to get serviceable SF. Can't win them all.

By the way, how do some of you guys know Clippers didn't contact Marion??? Maybe he doesn't want to be here?? Maybe we would have an excess of seviceable SFs and Doc didn't want that.

realbull17
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Everybody wants to go to the Cavs. Pretty soon K.Love will be there. I guess we'll have to settle for Dahntay Jones. Unless Rivers got someone better in mind.

jarca
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At least he's going to the east.

NikolasE
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I honestly believe we should trade dudley for a younger sf that can shadow Barnes for a season and be ready to go by the next season as who knows how much longer matt has left. I don't believe Dudley is what we need; we need a defensive minded 3 (like Matt Barnes) who can be a versatile perimeter defender alongside Chris Paul. Our offense is already there, we just need to build on the defensive end. I'm expecting Blake to become a very more assertive defender soon and that would truly make our team championship quality

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I know it sounds totally impossible but If I was D Wohl right now I would be trying to involve myself in the wiggins trade talks, trying to turn a two way trade into a three way trade somehow trying to get a hold of Wiggins, I know it isn't going to happen because the wolves won't settle for anything less than wiggins, but he would be perfect for us on the defensive and offensive end. He is a ridiculously versatile defender, and beside CP, that would be a perimeter defense to avoid at all costs.

Clippersfan86
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Actually I doubt they have spoken or he'd be in a Clipper uniform. Clippers have just as good of title odds with Marion if not better AND can offer him starting job+Cali weather. NO WAY in hell Marion would prefer to be Lebron's back up.

CapsNClips
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You never know, Shane Battier wanted to be LeBrons backup and he was just as good as Marion is now. He chose not to sign with us then, so why can't Marion do the same?

Clippersfan86
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Marion said nobody had reached out to him last week. I personally feel Doc is banking way too much on Dudley bouncing back.

CapsNClips
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Either Marion is lying or he had his phone turned off for a whole week because I can promise you Doc's (and 90% of the league's) #1 priority right now is Marion.

Doc has talked to Marion and his agent multiple times since June 1st. You can quote me on that.

Clippers_FTW
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Looks like our #1 priority is a backup big (another one)... which I'm okay with now Smile

jarca
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Maybe when doc said he reached out to him, it was done through his agent instead of actually meeting him face to face

SteveBaller
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I'm looking forward to seeing a healthy Jared Dudley play like he has 7/8 years of his career. Marion would be nice, but he's not a huge loss with the roster we already have put together.

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Doc has been trying to package him all off-season so I don't think he's banking on him bouncing back, that account has been overdrawn for a while. I'm hoping though. If he does bounce back, it won't be due to Doc, that is for sure.

MunoValente
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Even if Dudley doesn't bounce back, there is also chance Bullock is able to step up and claim the backup job.

Marion I don't think is very good anymore, he's 36 and the Mavs usually did better when Carter or Crowder played SF last year. Also Marion really only played SF when Nowitzki played PF, otherwise he played PF, he doesn't work as well in lineups with traditional banging bigs; in Phoenix he did best playing with Diaw.

If we want a more physical SF, I'd rather go younger than old and I'd also prefer one that is more of SF/SG rather than a SF/PF like Marion, Dudley, Barnes, Granger, Gomes and Turkoglu. Bullock fits this description, so it would be great if could play better than he did last year.

SteveBaller
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Regardless of whether Doc is banking on it, Dudley is very likely to play substantially better this season without injury. If he plays slightly worse then he did in Phoenix, he'll still be better than any of the other sf's we've had the last few years.

toohipcliptoslip
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We need a SF in case Matt or Dud gets hurt. Who plays SF? Bullock, Blake?

MunoValente
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Bullock, if he can't even handle third string, why is he even on the roster. I hope he aspires to more than though and starts to make a real push to move up the depth chart.

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I wish Bullock was a little more athletic...

ClipperKyle32
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I love this kid

JQuick32
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Gonna be another second round exit without anything even resembling a wing stopper on the roster.

Agent0
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Well obviously we have no clue how things will turn out. The team isn't doomed to the 2nd round as it is built. As built this is a team that will compete hard for a WCF birth and has a chance to go to the finals, even win it all. Yes, the chance increases with better wing defense, and better defense overall puts less pressure on offense and increases the chances, but you're getting carried away.

That said, we're in August, lots of trading and player movement to be made. Really won't know what team we are going into the playoffs with until after February.

CapsNClips
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That's true, except for the fact that it's absolutely not.

sz123456
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There's good reason to worry about that because we have yet to cross the WCF threshold. But I think this year the Thunder will slowly regress, as I'm sure Durant and those around him have sneaking suspicions that he is considering leaving once his contract expires. Plus, our team is better than last year. We filled a glaring hole by picking up Hawes. Who knows how that will affect the regular season, but come playoffs our rebounding and defense in the frontcourt will be so much more reliable.

SteveBaller
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If it is another 2nd round exit, it will be because our TEAM DEFENSE was still lacking, not because of individual wing defenders. Our wings held opponents to the lowest 3pt% in the entire league indicating they were actually doing a lot right defensively by quickly rotating and closing out. However, a byproduct of always contesting 3's is that it allows scoring wings to put the ball on the floor and go by. The elite wing scorers in this league will nearly always score on you because they are that good and they are versatile. If you always want to stop the 3 ball like we do, they will drive. If you back off to prevent the drive, they will hit the shot. When one of our wings is inevitably taken off the dribble, it's 100% up to DJ and Blake to get the stop. Our interior defense and overall team defense are what need improving.

ClipperKyle32
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We were #1 in defending the 3-Point Line. Do you know where we actually got killed? It wasn't on the wings. We were destroyed in the paint. DESTORYED. Could Not stop anyone , could not rebound. That Is where we sucked.

JoeClipplet
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I love this kid

So do I!

Do you know when Doc is able to announce invites to camp from Summer League tryouts?

MunoValente
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Some of this was struggling to defend dribble penetration, especially when Dudley was limping around at the start of year and Barnes was out of action, Crawford and Collison didn't really help there either. Jordan's decision making is still inconsistent in quality. The biggest problem though was our back up bigs, they were just completely terrible defending the basket and were weak rebounders. I wasn't too excited about keeping Davis, he's a terrible help defender and weak rebounder for his size. Hawes has always been mediocre in that regard too, but is at least good on offense and is an ok rebounder.

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Bingo! so the question lies, for the near future, do we hold onto DJ and hope he can elevate the team defense to a level where we challenge for a championship or cut him to give ourselves a better chance at picking up a allstar calibre wing.

Lets be frank DJ is all about defense and nothing about offense, if he can't hold his own on that end of the court i don't see any reason to having him around if his contract holds us from substantially upgrading a wing spot.

Another telling factor is if we don't at least make it to the WCF this coming season then this team would surely be in need of a major shakeup.

Dunkathon
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Are you kidding? The team will only have been together for two seasons, and you're saying the team should be shaken up if they don't get to the Conference Finals in a conference with both the Spurs and Thunder?

I personally would give this Clippers team this year and next, at the absolute least.

Also, I'm sure DJ will continue his current arc of improvement. If he doesn't, well, we'll trade him. The addition of an actual backup center in Hawes should make sure that (A) DJ actually gets some rest, and (B) Big Baby never has to play at center ever again.

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Wing players don't only shoot 3's. If a decent wing puts the ball on the floor and gets by his defender, Blake or DJ either have to rotate to cover the penetration and leave their man open for a dunk, or they stay with their own guy and a Westbrook or a Parker or a Curry waltzes to the hoop for an easy layup.

Sure, our bigs' decision-making could always use some improvement, but our perimeter players are not exactly putting them in a position to succeed in locking up the paint when they are constantly facing 1-on-2 or 2-on-3 situations.

Also... yes, we were terrible as a team at corralling rebounds, but considering our two starting bigs averaged almost 24 boards per36 then that is not where the problem lies. Once again, our perimeter guys need to pull their weight in that department. If we can get even average rebounding from the 2 and 3 spots, we will be an elite rebounding team.

SteveBaller
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I agree that we need to (and most likely will with health permitting) do better this year with our perimeter defense inside the 3pt line, but I think it really is the last of our defensive concerns. Our starting and especially our backup bigs all need to do a much better job protecting the paint. Dribble penetration is inevitable with today's NBA so full of Elite wing scorers, especially since there are so many less elite wing defenders. In my opinion, the best way to stop the LBJ's, KD's, etc is to have our wings contest their jumpers and ensure that our bigs make them pay if they take it to the rim.

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I agree Mr ballmer the notion that there are Durant stoppers or lebron stoppers is ridiculous. We won a game on OKC floor with Durant stopper and flat out blew a second win in OKC so perimeter is not as much of a problem as people want it to be. It would be great to have better players after all who doesn't want a superstar at every position.

Here is a link to a great chart of the best and worst nba rim protectors last year.

http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/NBAsBestandWorstRimProtectors/ Dashboard1?:embed=y&:showTabs=y&:display_count=no

SteveBaller
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That's Mr. Baller to you sir lol

ClipperPostman
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1. Finally someone who actually gets it. All last season this was happening and I'd come to the board and everyone is going "DJ sucks" because his man got an easy dunk, but don't realize he had to rotate really early because the wing Efender let his man blow right by without an attempt at slowing him down, then DJ rotates and Blake usually rotates really slow and leaves DJ's man open. Of course I don't expect the average fan to actually be able to understand this, so I can see why it's easier to just "Blame DJ for not sticking to his man".

Great team defense isn't about having lock down wing defenders. The wings need to know where the help is and funnel their man on the drive directly into the big. If you watch Clippers film the wings just let their man run straight to the basket without even attempting to push them into the help defense. So you have a situation where the Bigs in the paint have to rotate off their man so far it's nearly impossible to recover on the dish.

So DJ has 2 choices. allow the wing to drive for an easy layup or rotate and watch his man put in the easy bucket.

2. DJ definitely needs to improve. IMO it's not so much his protecting the paint I'm concerned about as is his pick and roll defense. He traps so hard that he can't recover on his man which usually leaves his man open for the roll and makes Blake rotate and leave his man open for the easy bucket.

If you go back and watch the film you will see DJ constantly over trapping on the Pick and Roll and it leading to easy buckets. I couldn't figure out why he kept doing that, but if he works on that, I think our defense will improve.

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I agree Mr ballmer the notion that there are Durant stoppers or lebron stoppers is ridiculous. We won a game on OKC floor with Durant stopper and flat out blew a second win in OKC so perimeter is not as much of a problem as people want it to be. It would be great to have better players after all who doesn't want a superstar at every position. Here is a link to a great chart of the best and worst nba rim protectors last year. http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/NBAsBestandWorstRimProtectors/ Dashboard1?:embed=y&:showTabs=y&:display_count=no
Here's a better and more up to date one. Last update on the....

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JoeClipplet
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Looks like M'Baye is moving back to Japan. Sad day Sad

Bye M'Baye

Amath M'Baye (@Amath22Juice) tweeted at 4:47am - 6 Aug 14:

Can't wait to see wifey tomorrow!!! Then pack up and get ready for us to head back to Japan! I have a instagram.com/p/rWw4-tqJPr/ (https://twitter.com/Amath22Juice/status/496985909808885761)

ClipperKyle32
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I do not believe we trapped the pick and roll that often. It puts defenses to out of position , but the Clippers do a lot of "hedging" which is an attempt to keep the....

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Dunkathon
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JoeClipplet wrote:
Looks like M'Baye is moving back to Japan. Sad day Sad

Bye M'Baye

Amath M'Baye (@Amath22Juice) tweeted at 4:47am - 6 Aug 14:

Can't wait to see wifey tomorrow!!! Then pack up and get ready for us to head back to Japan! I have a instagram.com/p/rWw4-tqJPr/ (https://twitter.com/Amath22Juice/status/496985909808885761)

I, for one, wish him the best in being the starting center for his team. Razz

cleepers
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I'll be surprised if the guy doesn't get a camp invite from somebody.

MunoValente
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Jordan is a good offensive player, he's limited, but he's one of the best players in the league at finishing near the basket and offensive rebounding and if you already have playmakers and scorers like Paul and Griffin, a skillset like Jordan's is very valuable on offense because he can get you points and extra possessions without running plays for him.

As for his defense he's is good now, he's just not elite quite yet, but he's made a lot progress over the years, and his physical tools are still so good that if he continues to improve his mental game he can still improve and has a very high upside. His backups were much bigger problem last year.

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Deandre Daniels is expected to be unsigned by Toronto. Wouldn't mind picking him up as a young defensive wing project, he is really athletic from what I saw during summer league.

If we can't trade for a known commodity we will have to take some sort of risk.

Agent0
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Yea we hedge, but DJ struggled a lot on the reads of pick and roll in the series vs OKC. I think it will certainly be very helpful for him to continue to improve that area. If he studies film, he'll see it.

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