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cashdld
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I wouldn't mind having rudy gay on this team, doc rivers could definitely coach him up the same way he did Griffin and jordan. Crawford, dudley, and Barnes for rudy gay...

MunoValente
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The best thing about Rudy Gay is that if had him we could then trade him away and immediately get better just like Raptors and Grizzlies when they dumped him.

Agent0
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Rudy looked a lot better on offense in Sacramento, but he's gotten less and less interested in defense and more and more interested in showing his scoring skills.

The problem is that on offense, this team doesn't need Rudy Gay playing the way he might currently see as the best way for him. Don't need him handling so much and being a decently high turnover player, don't need him isolating as much (when needed) and need him to use the length and athletic ability a lot more on defense.

The biggest thug thing is that you don't want to pay him $17.9M, but the Kings also don't want to add 3 players, two over 33/34 and one about to be 30 for whatever reason. Doesn't seem to make much sense for them and the fit is very questionable for us, but even more so the money.

If Rudy Gay was making $9M a year and you could get him to be more focused and committed on defense as well as pick his spots better on offense I'd take him all day.

....but yes, Rudy should NOT be a first option, so the roles he had on Memphis and Toronto were just not suitable, and made him look bad, though in a Toronto he was also holding the other guys back. He's best as a 3rd option type guy. On his team he wouldn't (at least hopefully) wouldn't be restricting anyone or taking shots / possessions away from better players whether deliberately or just because his shot selection is poor.

He would be best as a 16-18 PPG scorer, but more efficient, less iso, playing great defense, and with the ability to be isolated at the end of games when needed (not the rubbish teams do where they just do bad iso's) because his length allows him to get shots off when it might be harder / more work for others (eg: 6'0 Chris Paul).

Of course you don't want to pay $18M for that player, and yes, you'll always ask "can he do that", and the answer is that I have no clue, he doesn't seem like a guy who doesn't listen, but I haven't paid much attention to that aspect.

Anyways, this is all academic because there's a 0% chance of it happening, and if we could say negative percentage chance, that would even be more accurate

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Haha! Too true. It seems like cutting Rudy is good for a few extra wins per season no matter who cuts him.

cashdld
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I clearly said a coached up version of Rudy Gay, some people on here were willing to trade Deandre Jordan until doc came here and he started playing up to his potential. Rudy gay actually played well last year on the kings, and would be a good fit in doc rivers Team defense concept. Some players just need the right coach and right system to thrive. You make it seem like our wing players are legit starters, but in reality for the last few years we haven't had a solid starter at those positions, it changes every year. ...

clipfan63
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NO WAY to Rudy Gay!Don't need a ball stopping shot chucker,especially for the price he would demand.

Clippers_FTW
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Rudy Gay would be a dream..... But it would never come true.

bballman
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the kind of dream that ends up being a nightmare.

JQuick32
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Rudy Gay is a scrub, not even an upgrade over Barnes/Dudley.

Mistwell
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The guy I want is Tobias Harris. Don't know how to get him, but that is who I want, and I hope a three-team trade with Crawford as our contribution would be enough to do it. Orlando must need something.

tense2
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A good choice, although he's played a majority of his time in the league as a PF. Just don't know why the Magic would trade him.

ClipperKyle32
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Can we sign a small forward now?

ClipperPostman
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Dude have you seen him play? Terrible choice. Not that he isn't good, but he plays exactly like a PF. He'd be another offensive big guy Blake/Big Baby/Dj who can't shoot past 17ft. But what is worse is we will have him playing the 3, which he can't shoot from distance what so ever. Which defeats our whole game plan of inside out with Blake Griffin and kick to the corner 3 on the double team.

tense2
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Yes Dude I have seen him play and understand he's not a great long range guy. His defense and rebounding is what I like.

Mistwell
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Have YOU seen him play? It's our guards that play outside. Our SF can play in the middle, which Tobias is good at. Plus when he played SF for the Bucks he hit 33.3% of his 3pt shots, which is fine. He has an overall 54.2% True Shooting %, which is good. He was drafted as a SF, played a SF for the Bucks for a couple years, and only moved to PF by Orlando, where of course his game was more inside than previously because of the nature of that position. But he's a solid SF, and when he played it he shot from outside just fine.

More importantly that position goes from a defensive liability to a defensive benefit. He's a very good defender, and that is what we need at that position. If all we wanted was a three point bomber friggen Willie Green could have played it.

MunoValente
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If we going to talk about guys we don't have much chance of getting I'd rather have guy that can defend SF/SG/PG than SF/PF. Barnes, Dudley, Gomes and Granger were guys that could switch over to PF, and that is a little handy because it give Blake some freedom and we've pretty done pretty well against bulkier SF like Melo and Lebron, so Harris is another of those types. What would be more useful though is a guy like Sefolosha/Tony Allen/Ariza type that could switch assignments to help Paul/Redick/Crawford and but also have the foot speed to keep up with faster, less physical SFs like George or Durant.

Offensively I think tweener forwards kind of clash with Griffin's game as well; pure catch and shoot guys or transition/off the ball cutter types like Barnes would probably better.

Obviously I'd take Harris the right deal, but that goes for a lot of guys.

Jerediscool
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I'm pretty sure even Dudley will be able to shut Paul George down next year.

Agent0
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Too soon?

loyalclipfan
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I think unless some unreal deal became available, Doc is just going to go with Barnes AND Dudley, with bullock and the other rookie, until the Feb trade deadline, to see what develops both on....

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Agent0
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I meant too soon about the Paul George joke Wink

Jerediscool
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Haha its just a broken leg. He's not dead, All this talk about wearing a patch to honor him his absolutely ridiculous in my mind.

Agent0
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I was just kidding

GPack17
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I would love to have tobias harris..guy has a decent shot to hit a couple 3s a game and finds ways to score..he played a lot of 4 last season but also quite a bit of 3 the year before which was when he had his best season..he is at 2.5 mill a year right now and up for more after this year but if we want him, it will cost probably a 1st on top of someone like bullock..why would they not resign him or trade him..because they already have mo harkless and just drafted aaron gordon..also after this year its more than likely they use their 1st rounder on a sf or pf depending on where they see gordon playing..

Also its pretty obvious that jeff green and wilson chandler would be solid options..

SamMays
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I would stay off of Rudy Gay at all costs. He's a great talent, but he's never been about winning. Jim Calhoun has said the Rudy Gay's team at Uconn was the most frustrating he's ever had. Rudy Gay, Hilton Armstrong, Josh Boone and Marcus Williams were all first round picks. Denham Brown and Jeff Adrien also played on that team and both had NBA careers. Adrien is still playing.

Despite an excellent record with only 4 losses, Calhoun said they underachieved because some of them were more interested in their pro careers than they were in UCONN basketball. Gay has always looked past what he team is doing, dedicating himself to his individual ambitions. Some guys can't be "coached up."

itsLuigi
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Now that the Celtics have Evan Turner maybe we can get Jeff green from them? You guys think they'll waive Wallace? If he does get waived, I wouldn't mind picking him up for the min.

ClipperKyle32
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Well...

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I still want Gerald Green... Suns have no use for him with Tucker and Warren.

ClipperKyle32
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I still want Gerald Green... Suns have no use for him with Tucker and Warren.
I do too. Especially if we can send them Dudley. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pmpopzv Word is they love Dudley and he loves them. If we could....

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-clippernation-
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I think Barnes is better suited for the bench. He says he just wants to close out games or something like that.

itsLuigi
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I'd rather have him as our starting SG. If we could maybe unload Reddick or Crawford on a third team I'd do it.

cashdld
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Much rather go after wilson chandler, seems attainable with all the wings the nuggets have. Barnes, bullock and 1st rounder for wilson chandler

itsLuigi
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keep barnes and throw dudley and wilcox in there.

cashdld
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You can't possibly expect them to trade wilson chandler for Dudleys and unproven players

cashdld
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Now the perfect trade, would be to get afflalo and wilson chandler for Crawford,barnes, bullock and 1st rounder. If that were to happen we'd be unstoppable. Not as far fetch either with afflalo claiming he's opting out after next season, may put nuggets in position where they have to trade him if he may be leaving.

Dunkathon
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It doesn't matter if the Suns have no use for him. If they don't want to give him up, there's nothing the Clippers or anyone else can do about it. Considering what he did for them last season, I see absolutely no way he's leaving in the near future.

As for Afflalo leaving...

http://sportsglory.com/nba/arron-afflal ... -opt/25246

The rumors are there.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m53s3jq

A man can dream, can't he?

ClippersDA
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Who is viable to acquire in a trade?

ClipperKyle32
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Agent0
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Green plays SG/SF for them, they haven't even re-signed Bledsoe, why wouldn't they need him?

slestack11
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With Steve Ballmer being close to Jamal Crawford, do you think that will impact any decisions to move Jamal?

CapsNClips
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Ballmer was a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company. People don't become CEO's of multi-billion dollar company's by letting the feelings of others get in the way of their business.

SteveBaller
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What happened to the Shawn Marion thread that was up last night?

clipper*joe
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Shawn Marion Agrees To Sign With Cavs

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -With-Cavs

ClipperKyle32
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Listen, I am all for Dudley being slimmer and quicker and healthier. He fits the system well , and if he is just consistent that is good enough for me.

tense2
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As I though and mentioned when the Mav's didn't re-sign him. I was hoping to be wrong and maybe he'd decide to sign with us...oh well.

He choose the "easy" way to get to the finals, I believe.

Clippers_FTW
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Eh he's Whatev's in my eyes

loyalclipfan
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I'm with you! We will know by the trade deadline in February whether or not to try and package a deal with duds in it or not by then.I actually hope he gets back to....

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pageC4
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Very dissapointed. Not so much that he didn't chose to sign with us but with Lebron and the new "it" team. Watch Ray Allen join that team too.

Agent0
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Sacramento is quite content with Rudy Gay right now, so he doesn't need a chance from us, they like him there so far. Also he makes about $19M, Dudley makes $4.2M, so we would have to find at least another $11.6M in contracts that Sacramento wants (the most important part). Not really sure how Rudy Gay comes into the mix logistically, also not sure it is very smart of us to give away assets for a half a season chance to have $19M of Rudy Gay on the cap.

I think people forget that the issue people have with Gay isn't that he can't be a good 3rd option scorer who can isolate when needed and if focused can defend. It is actually a lot about him being played in a first option role where he's awful and hurts the offense more than he helps, not defending in that role, and also making superstar money. There would be drastically less complaints if he made $9-10M and was used in a role more suitable for his success (and he accepted that role of course as I can't just say it like he would automatically be willing).

fullcourt
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Why not just get Michael Beasley and give him one last chance to prove himself under Doc guidance? lol

At some point Doc the GM is gonna have to find a young player whether that be internationally or via the SL or NBDL and DEVELOP HIM.

pageC4
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he will come in quicker and healthier. But I think the best thing for us is to still make a trade if it presents itself. Despite Dudleys poor season last year we were still able to rank among the top three in many categories such as FG%, FGM, PTS,...etc. So even if he comes back to form its only strengthening us on the side of the ball we were excellent at anyway. Also, the new guys we added bring shooting:Hawes is the stretch four we have been looking for and Farmar is a better 3 point shooter than Collison is. I think the silver linning to Dudleys resurgence will be the trade value he can garner. That being said we need guys like Tony Allen to come in and be the defensive specialists we need to truly balance this team out. If we can manage to bring 2 defensive guys on this squad we can go all the way.

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