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toohipcliptoslip
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Dudley will be fine. If he's taken the effort to get in shape it means he's motivated and he was a decent player

MunoValente
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I'm more concerned about his mind than body. Getting healthy and in shape is pretty straightforward, but his confidence was clearly shot at the end of year and even though he was healthier and in somewhat better shape later in the season, his shooting got worse compared when he was his most banged up. Hopefully being in better place physically also gets him in a better place mentally, but sometimes confidence is a tricky thing to control.

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Dante Cunningham recently had a DUI, but I always hated playing against him. He and Speights would always kill the Clippers backup bigs. I would consider him as a Dudley/Big Baby-saftey net because he can play the 3 & 4.

ClipperKyle32
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PP looks Fat.

CapsNClips
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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

PP looks Fat.

Pierce has never not been fat.

vitamink
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PP is too old and enjoying his semi-retirement now..

itsLuigi
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Cleveland's going after mozgov and koufos. Maybe we can squeeze are way in the trade and get a small forward.

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Clipperfan9
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clippyclip wrote:

If the future first doesn't have any severe restrictions then I'm happy. Delfino looks to be out for the season, and Radjulica is a 3rd string center at best. This looks like one of those deals that happens before a bigger deal.

Clipperfn4lf
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No it looks like a good trade to get a cancerous player off the team. Are you really upset about trading a potential reggie bullock/cj wilcox to get rid of dudley? Those are the caliber players you get with late 1st round picks.

MunoValente
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Raduljica is worth a late first round pick on his own, he was a rookie last year and clearly better than Bullock.

From what I've been reading, it sounds like Delfino does expect to play this year, but obviously there is risk there, given his history. Either way though Barnes is backed up by a guy with health concerns last year, but the current one is cheaper and we got serviceable bench big in the process.

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By getting Hawes and Raduljica, do you think team is sending message to DJ that we might not re-sign him?

Clipperfan9
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My bad... I thought we were GETTING a first round! LOL... nah, good trade nonetheless if Delfino plays at all. I think if he's healthy at start of the season he can START on our team.

Agent0
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Team is sending the message that they need 13 players and they want to avoid the hard cap. Interestingly enough it seems to imply that they are trying to cut salary in order to bring DJ back lol.

Hawes was signed to compliment DJ and Blake not replace anyone. If that happens it won't be because it was planned but because we just couldn't get DJ back.

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It allows for the possibility depending on what's out there

Hawes moves into the starting lineup and Raduljica backs him up and we move DJ for a starting SF and Barnes moves back to the bench again. I see this as a possibility depending on who is available and Dj's salary demands

Agent0
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A Bucks second round pick as of now is in a similar range as our first round picks at the moment and it is non guaranteed and you pay them less.

laboy
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Doc is the man!!!!!

the new owner is fantastic!!!

this year will be PRICELESS!!!!!

Clipperfan9
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So uh, I think I've found our starting small forward. His name is Matt Barnes.

Let me explain...

Yes he played like ass for us during the first half of the season, but after getting some consistent play time, he started putting up "starter level" stats:

Last 2 months of NBA season:

In 32Mpg

13.4ppg // 2.2 3PM // 5.3 rbs! // 2.4 ass // 1.1 steals

Now, with Hedo gone and Dudley gone, our depth at SF looks like this:

Matt Barnes // Reggie Bullock

With Doc running 3 guard lineups often, Matt Barnes will be getting 32-34mpg. Consistent minutes!

I've changed my mind about our situation. Yes, I feel like another contributor at the 3 would be massively beneficial, and yes, we still need another perimeter defender, and yes Matt Barnes is getting old (I suspect this might be his last year with starting level capabilities), but RIGHT NOW we have a championship level team. I think some people need to reevaluate Matt Barnes' value.

laboy
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m barnes is a champion and has a lot of playoff experience..

he is needed...

plays defense and did alright as a starter..

hopefully bullock can rise to the occasion and become a good back up sf,

our power forwards and centers are looking great!!

shooting guards are great,

point guards are great..

I think we have greatly improved our team from last year..

we have added more scoring and more rebounding

RG
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Not sure if I'd like Barnes to be playing that much this year though, I'm on the thought that it may lead to niggling injuries from being overworked, in saying that I do agree that Barnes is a solid contributor

zaneil3715
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it looks like the clips will waive delfino and raduljica. hopefully with the oppurtunity now, bullock would produce and step up.

laboy
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they are not going to waive rad,

for 1.5 mil he is a steal for a back up big...

we have been without bigs for too long..

and if dj wants 15 mil a year...well he might be traded...

then we would have hawes and rad..

think of going up against memphis in the playoffs..

who is going to bang with their bigs?

who is going to go against randolph and bother him and get him in foul trouble??

that would be rad..

and we have hawes and dj..

3 bigs....

we can go up against san antonio..

with our bigs..

we are one guy away from a championship!!!

all we need is someone to step up in the small forward position..or we get someone who can excel there..

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Matt Barnes has never won a championship w/ any team yet lol

tense2
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Ah, got that one wrong. wink

Agent0
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Barnes was certainly great to end the season. How sustainable is that? Not too sure. For now he's a decent 3/D option at the 3. Of course you're a little worried about his length and that he is not the youngest guy around, so injuries and how sustainable his level of play can be are questions.

In term of filling SF, CDR is the guy being mentioned, he is a very thin guy for SF. Based on last season though (38.6% 3PT on 132 3PA in 49 games), he's improved his 3PT shot a lot where he becomes a lot more useful to teams. His previous career high was 32.6% and he was just taking 1.9/36 and took a total of 46 attempts. He's also a guy that is willing to defend, so he's sort of a 3/D guy. Seems like the D-League (43.3% 3PT on 60 attempts) helped him improve his 3PT shooting.

Have no clue if this is truly his new level of shooting, but if it is, he can be a useful player, just not so sure how he will far size wise vs SF's, he was a projected NBA SG. He has a similar frame to Jamal.

laboy
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they traded bench warmer...who doc did not like..

and a 1st round pic..

for 2 guys that they let go..

so they can get another shooting guard?????

so they can save a few million,....because the owner spent 2 billion and now needs to live on a budget???

either doc is planning something really big...

or he is blinded by the 50 million that he is getting...

and we still don't have a sf...

but we will have 5 shooting guards????

and i did think that matt had won a championship..wow.. he still plays big in the playoffs..fearless.

SteveBaller
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I don't have enough posts to embed tweets yet, but I suggest you all go to @TeamCD-R right about now....

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That account is just a fan page but CDR to the clippers is inevitable

TheFlyinLion
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If we do get CDR, he won't be another sg, he will play sf. He has played small forward before, and is listed as a sg/sf. He isn't too small either, he is 6'7''

Clipperfn4lf
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Chris Douglas-Roberts is terrible. Would be a shame to have him/Barnes as the SF.

itsLuigi
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Yeah I'd rather go after Beasley.

TheFlyinLion
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I agree beasley seems like the better option between the two, though i havent heard rumors of him coming to the clips. Hedo is another name I've been hearing

SteveBaller
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Beasley is far from being Doc's idea of a high character guy. He's a child in a man's body. 0% chance Doc even expresses interest. He'll fit in perfectly on the Fakers.

clipfan63
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DJ is Doc's pet project,he's not going anywhere.They're trying to clear a little more room to insure a deal that DJ will accept.

SteveBaller
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To be honest, this small forward situation has nothing to do with DJ. This is about having enough cap room right now to sign a sf plus one more player in order to reach the 13 player league minimum.

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CDR is about a million times better defender than Beasley who is one of the worst defenders in the league.

The Bobcats were 5th in the league in defense despite a front line of Jefferson, McRoberts and Zeller. That means their perimeter guys were getting it done.

He's also improved his shot selection and shooting in general as he's aged. I wonder if people who think he's terrible are judging him based on what he was as a young player rather than what is now, he's a guy who maturity has helped a lot, like Gerald Green, unlike Beasley.

He's a little small at SF, but our problem defending last year was against fast SFs not more physical ones, Barnes is already good at defending more physical SFs. It also makes him quick to crossover to defend SG and even PGs if we need help against those positions, Barnes, Dudley and Granger were all too slow to do that effectively. Offensively a less physical game keeps him out of the paint and opens up space for Griffin and Jordan. One problem I think Dudley had as a converted PF is that outside of spot shooting the ways he scored in Phoenix were PF skills; pick and roll/pop, a few post ups, but those sort of plays for a guy like Dudley are pointless when have Griffin, he always did best in Phoenix next to perimeter bigs like Frye.

Last year CDR was roughly as good as Barnes or Phoenix Dudley; he is a steal minimum, not unlike Barnes a few years ago.

dom1
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What about a flier on a guy like Terrence Williams.. He is 6'6 220lbs, Strong enough to play the 3 and also has great ball handling abilities to play point forward with the 2nd unit in case an injury to cp3 or farmar. He isn't a great 3pt shooter but he is a decent defender and a good penetrator who has a nice floater and min range game and is a great finisher at the rim...He could be a sneaky signing

ClipperStrong
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It would be nice to get a guy who can drive the ball to the hoop and finish. I feel like the Clipper wings tend to fall in love with jumpers.

ClipsAndBolts
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We need a SF who can shoot and play D, period. We have to spread the court since just having one shooter roaming the floor is not enough.

As much as I hated Dudley last season, I thought he would be the perfect fit for our starting unit this season given he was in shape.

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I wanted to see what an in shape Dudley could have brought to the team. I was really hoping for a bounce back season from him.

Agent0
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We need to make sure to judge CDR right now based on his 49 games last season as he advanced as a player.

.588 TS%, 38.7% 3PT, 4.7 3PA/36, 1.3 tov/36, 12.1 pts/36, 111 Ortg

52.4% FGA were 3PT, shot 44.4% on corner three's and they were 41% of his 3PA, and another 28% of his FGA were at the rim where he shot 63.4%. Lastly he's lanky and played solid defense.

These are important things to highlight because this is a player we are fitting for a role. So this tells us that from last season he was an efficient scorer, good 3PT shooter, good volume of 3PA attempts, didn't turn the ball over much, okay enough volume scorer. Tells us that his shot selection made sense for a role player, 3PT or at the rim were 80% of his FGA, which means he wasn't taking shots he should leave to the stars (pull up mid-range shots).

He actually looks like a good fit IF he maintains this play moving forward. Basically all the efficiency numbers were career highs. So has he become that player or did he just have a long hot streak. Not bad to take a chance for the minimum.

He's far superior to Beasley in the required role though, just far superior which says more about Beasley than him, but still.

tense2
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Would be a nice addition for the min and our perimeter defense. 2 pluses. Not much of a rebounder, but doesn't foul much either. Good FT shooter. Someone to off set the weakness/strengeths of Barnes.

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/17 ... as-roberts

tense2
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Good breakdown and analysis of what's one of the necessary/common denominators in creating a very good defense. Last years top 5; Indiana, Spurs, Bulls, Bobcats and GSW.

Attached breakdown chart:

http://www.bballbreakdown.com/wp-conten ... fenses.png

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Iman Shumpert..... Make it happen somehow

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Totally off topic, but funny nonetheless... especially the 2nd one!

Lakers in the 2nd round...

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Driving and slashing is what CDR does. He knows he's not a good shooter. Plus he gets fouled a lot going to the hoop.

ClipperStrong
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Exactly it would be nice if he made a few on the way for some easy and one points. Another benefit would be the Clippers in the bonus earlier in quarters. Making it easier for Blake or anyone else that is posting up to get to the hole. Teams would be scared to foul and put a good f.t. shooter on the line. IMO

tense2
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He and Barnes last year are almost the same when it comes to shot attempts at the rim and from the 3PT area. CDR=28% FGA's @ the Rim and 52% FGA's from the 3. Barnes is 26% @ the Rim and 53% from the 3.

Both are below average for their position on FTA's per game. Last year CDR only had 3.9 FTA's per game (PER48). Average for a SF is 5.3.

ClipperKyle32
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Can the TWolves trade us the rights to Glenn Robinson III if they cannot sign him after Love deal? I'd love that

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I do not know where this guy found these stats , but he has tweeted me several times every time I mention CDR. ....

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