Lakers Sign Ed Davis 2 years $2 Million (P. 3)

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Okay at that price... HOW IN THE HELL DID WE MISS OUT ON HIM

Because we could only offer the minimum. Once again, **** Jared Dudley for being one of the most unmovable contracts (and useless players) in the league. His contract is going to prevent us from significantly improving our problem areas until it finally comes off our books.

I've given up on the idea of any role player taking a paycut this offseason, they're all just going to take the money and say "screw playing for a ring." We'll probably finish out the roster with a scrub fourth big, be stuck with Dudley and Barnes for another year, and have another quick exit from the playoffs due to the lack of defense or scoring at the wing.

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If you feel that (Mr) hopeless, jump on the Cleveland's bandwagon or maybe N.O's before they leave the tracks

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He's not going to be playing that much more minutes on the Lakers. He's still a bench player behind Jordan Hill and Julius Randle and the Lakers really like Sacre.

I find it peculiar he chose a team that doesn't have a coach.

I wouldn't be saying this if Doc signed him because Doc does his homework and would never sign a cancer (not saying he is one). The Lakers on the other hand don't have a coach to tell Kupchak that he's not a good fit chemistry wise.

Seriously ask yourself, if a player is trying to showcase his talents. Why would he pick a team that has no coach? He has no idea what he's getting himself into. Atleast playing for Doc has paid off young players for istance Darren Collison got to showcase his talents to the world and earned a nice contract.

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We're just playing the guessing game and don't really know the reason he chose them. If you feel that was the reason and it makes you feel better, go for it.

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The "fan police" act does nothing but make you look condescending and self-righteous.

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I really don't want to be the type of person who starts baseless rumors about a player. That's not good.

But I definitely don't think he picked the Lakers for playing time. That's all I'll say about this.

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I rather be that, then your act, which makes you look whining and hopelessly negative...all the time.

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I still don't understand the understanding of the salary cap you have which keeps making you think that Jared Dudley is the reason for us not being able to sign certain players.

You really need to break down your rationale here because he we had no Jared Dudley, just X his contract, we would still only be able to offer Davis an any other player the minimum, so what exactly does him or his contract have to do with it? You really need to explain this because you've said it a few times, very confusing.

The minimum for a player of Davis' experience is not much less than $1M btw, so if he went there it was almost certainly for more playing time, not the money situation. If he can get minutes there he can boost his value then he can opt out next season and get a bigger contract. We can't forget that players have agents, and players are looking out for themselves in free agency as they should. For a guy like Davis, a lottery team with available minutes at his positions is a much smarter move for future earnings than being the 4th big on a championship contending team.

A team with Griffin/Jordan/Hawes, or a team with Hill/Sacre, basically the same money, I mean, come on. One can't imagine a 25 year old going to his 5th season necessarily has his first priority as being a 10th man on a championship team. He probably still believes he can be a decent impact player in the league, and to be fair, before going to Memphis he had never played under 20 MPG. Good for the Lakers though, Ed is a good signing for that price.

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I don't know caps, look at the bigs on the Lakers, he took a 2 year $2M contract with a second year player option. Those type of contracts scream trying to up your value by finding a team where you can get playing time. You play well and you opt out and ask for more money.

Either that or his agent is really bad, but I think this guy is trying to boost his value and get a bigger payday next off-season.

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I am guessing he wanted playing time to showcase his abilities more. Its hard to believe that he only got 2m/2yrs. He is easily worth more.

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That's cool. We'll see the results when the season starts/ends.

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I'm not whining or being hopelessly negative at all.

With how role players have been overpaid this summer from minute one of free agency this year, I highly doubt any half-decent role player will be able to resist cashing in. Blame Detroit for starting it with that horrible contract they gave out to Jodie Meeks, and blame Dudley for having such a toxic contract that has prevented us from doing any sign-and-trades.

Until we get a small forward who can play defense and reliably score, we'll be riding the second-round treadmill. In a wings' league where the competition has Durant, Leonard, Green, Parsons, Batum, Ariza, etc., we have the worst small forward rotation in the league, and it will once again be exposed in the playoffs.

Those are just facts, really, or at least fact-based opinions, and stating them doesn't make me any less of a fan.

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It's not what you say, it's how you say it. That sometimes makes you sound like less a fan then someone being knee jerking and negative. Just say'n.

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Nah, we're not the worst, our SF rotation is stuck right in the below average level, but not worst. A better SF would help, but we're not stuck in a "second round treadmill" due to that, but that doesn't mean we don't want to improve as much as possible.

You should check out some of the league's starting SF's though. Outside of youth, MKG, nope, Corey Brewer, never seen a more athletic guy suck that much at rebounding. Do the Lakers even had a SF? Is Alan Anderson the Nets starting SF now? T.Young plays PF, so who is the Sixers? There are worse, but yes, we want to improve, we'll see what we can do.

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Honestly I was afraid we wouldn't get him because of playing time. Between Jordan griffin and Hawes there won't be much time. The lakers on the other hand have hill who has always played inconsistent minutes, an unproven rookie who could need surgery and Sacre who probably would be out of the league if he wasn't signed by the Lakers. This definitely gives him more pt to showcase his skills.

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I could be reaching but it feels Lakers may have signed him because we wanted him. He could of had strong playing time with us. As mentioned before he is still behind Randle Hill and maybe Kell and Sacre. With us easily 4th big with Doc using full bench units often.

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If you think he'll might be behind Sacre and Kell then why would we even want him? If he can't beat out those guys then he's not that good.

Taking away the bias of wanting him, he's the third big on their rotation as of now, and Doc already publicly said he wants to run a 3 big rotation and play Hawes with both Blake and DJ. I really don't know where people see playing time for him on the team. He played a career low 15 MPG last season with Memphis with some DNP-CD's I believe. We have 12-13 minutes at backup PF and 14-16 minutes at backup C with three very healthy big men. How is he going to even get 15 mpg let alone strong playing time in that situation?

I don't really think Mitch Kupchak makes moves based on who the Clippers want to sign, that's pretty stupid for him to do wouldn't you think? The weird Lakers fans are the ones so full of themselves to think the Clippers would make moves just to spite them, as if getting at them is more important than getting players you actually want / need.

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I think he was really considering us. Kobe saw that we wanted him. Told his agent to get him. As Kobe & Ed have the same agent.

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How did we lose to the lakers lol. Doc speaks the truth when he says that ownership has hurt us

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

Okay at that price... HOW IN THE HELL DID WE MISS OUT ON HIM

Why would you want to make "slave wages" and help a racist man profit from you.

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the owner sets the limits on spending. Since there's no owner Rivers has no idea how to use the money plus you must get permission from the owner to do a trade(s).

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So our across the hall rivals sign Ed Davis to a two year 2 million dollar contract. Wow guess he wants the minutes over playing for a contender. Maybe the Smartest move for the Lakers this offseason. They got a quality big for real cheap. Looks like we'll have to sign Big Baby Davis back which I don't mind at all.

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What he is saying is that the ownership conflict has affected our run(s) at most free agents.

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Not Rivers's fault if Davis wants more playing time.

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yes! If Steve Ballmer was the owner at the start of FA. We wouldn't be having this problem now. Something tells me that Ballmer would have told RIvers to go all out. The way Ballmer talks sounds like he'll spend money to make this team a winning team. We'll see next week!

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Stop wasting your time with players who are not bringing us closer to rings. Doesn't matter who the owner is - we are not contending for a championship next season anyways. Ballmer will have all the time in the world to see how things go and I am sure once he is in, Doc will also be much more aggressive. I think we should leave it as it is, play out another year in hope CP3 is not on a decline anytime soon and go all in to try and get Marc Gasol next summer!

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Comon Clipper Nation. Crying over some bench jockey? There are a hundred guys like him available in the NBA all season long. If that's the best the Lakers can do, Lord help them.

We got Hawes -- who is a million times better than "Ed Who?" and is a true center.

Our only worry is this "shiiit on your shoes" Sterling and how long he sticks around where he is not wanted. Once he is gone, it should be smooth sailing.

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You're just flat-out wrong. The salary cap sets the limits on spending. Once you hit it and use your exceptions (like we have), it doesn't matter how much money an owner wants to spend... HE CANNOT SPEND ANY MORE!

Some people here are acting like Ballmer is going to be throwing max contracts at the entire roster and every free-agent we want. It just doesn't work like that.

Doc doesn't need "permission" to make trades... he just needs trading partners who want what we have.

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If Ballmer was the owner at the start of FA and he told Doc to go "all out", Doc would have had exactly the same amount of money to offer those free-agents as he had with Dick Parsons overseeing the club. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

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how does brooklyn do it then? This isn't a sarcastic question, but their situation baffles me.

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I didn't follow their movements very closely, but there are ways to get to a bloated salary. For example, you can bring back 125% of salary that you send out... if somebody wanted Dudley, we could take on their $5,300,000 player. Add Barnes and we could bring back close to $10,000,000.

The trouble is, nobody wants those contracts right now. BUT... in two years, when they're expiring and the cap is set to take a big jump (due to the new national TV deal), some team would probably give us a high-value player on a long-term deal just to clear cap-space to make a run at a big FA or two.

You can also re-sign your own players for whatever you want up to the max... like if OKC had kept Harden, along with Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka, or if we give DJ something stupid like $18mil next year just to hold onto him.

Or let's say we sucked last March and we traded a vet-minimum player like Willie Green to a contender at the deadline for a high draft pick they held... that draft pick would be making 3x what Willie would once he's drafted. Plus we have our own high pick. That would be $1,300,000 going out and around $8,000,000 coming back this season even if we were already over the cap.

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I agree. Just look at the roster Lakers had last year. Kaman, Farmar, Nick Young, and Collison for us. They all took very small money to up their value.

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Not correct. Doc gave himself permission to make any deal he wants until we get a owner. Parson's signs off on the deals and DTS can't do a thing about it. DTS is not the owner of the Clippers any longer when it comes to day to day operations. Therefor, he can't give permission to make or break any deal. he can't set a salary limit. Parsons has all the power for now and he gave it to Doc.

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We are going all out. We used every penny available to us under the CBA to get Hawes and farmar. We're tapped out! All we have are minimum contracts available to us to fill out the roster. We would still have the same problems has Ballmer been in place before FA started. If Ballmer told Doc to go out and spend an extra 20 million in FA, we''d still only have the MLE & the Bi-annual under CBA rules and there would be no money in the world that would allow us to spend that extra 20 million even if Ballmer wanted. Get where i am going with this? It's not a owner problem, it's a CBA and lack of money problem.

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The Nets did it by signing their own players. It started with :

Lopez

Deron

Humphries

They took in Joe Johnson for a lot of scrubs and picks

They took in Gerald Wallace

They flipped

Gerald wallace

Humphries

for

Garnett

Pierce

Terry

basically, they maxed out of their own players with bird rights while flipping players and keeping the the salary high instead of shedding salary. they also used their available exceptions which also added more salary. We are doing the same thing. How did we jump from one of the lowest salaries in the league to the 3rd most? Signing our own players to max contracts.

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BaadMaster, you're missing the overall picture. True, Ed Davis is no top tier free agent. He's no Lebron, Carmelo, or even Chandler Parsons. But what he is is a lock down defender who can vault a contender like us above the competition. Hence why people are making such a big deal on this missed opportunity.

On a team like the Lakers he makes them better, but isn't huge enough of a factor to vault them into a contender status because they lack so many other things. However, for the Clippers a guy like Ed Davis is huge. We regained depth at the backup PF and PG positions, and shoring up this roster with guys like Ed could be all the difference between us and OKC & San Antonio.

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Thanks Joe & Cleepers. Very expensive situation in Brooklyn.

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Actually, not having an owner can prove to be an advantage in free-agency.

We've all seen how Donald's idiotic decisions (like preferring mediocre black players, even over better white ones) have affected the team negatively in the past.

The last thing any team needs is an owner who is TOO involved in roster decisions, like going after somebody just because he's his kid's favorite player, etc.

The best thing an owner can do is be willing to open his wallet, but leave the decisions to his basketball operations staff... which is exactly the situation we have now.

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I'M FLAT OUT RIGHT! I'm not talking salary cap. This is not Doc Rivers money. You can't spends someone money without permission. EXAMPLE: Originally Rivers was gonna do a S&T for JJ Redick. Sterling didn't want to pay him all the money cuz he was a white player. Rivers threatened to quit if he didn't agree to pay him. You can't spend someone's $$$ without that person(s) say.

Any trade goes through the owner for approval. EXAMPLE: the recent one was Sterling veto the Aaron Affalo/Eric Bledsoe trade.

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So you're saying you think Sterling signed off on the 23million given to Spencer Hawes?

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Would've been nice to have Ed for his defense, but ultimately Big Baby is a better player. Much better offensively, battle-tested, and almost impossible to move on the low block. Hopefully Big Baby's price tag isn't too high.

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no. That Is the MLE. that is a given. EXAMPLE: for Phil Jackson to offer C.Anthony a 5year $129mil. Jackson must ask the owner first before Anthony can sign anything.

Every team has a MLE to use. You really don't need approval for MLE due to that every team has one. If you need approval I'm sure Dick Parsons gave Rivers the go ahead. As Parsons stated in his press conference that he'll let Rivers do the basketball thing & he'll do the business side of it.

Rivers has to keep the payroll in ok standing until their a new owner. The new owner then come in making all the decisions.

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Completely agree, players like Ed Davis can be important pieces for a championship team.

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Very true.

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I'M FLAT OUT RIGHT! I'm not talking salary cap. This is not Doc Rivers money. You can't spends someone money without permission. EXAMPLE: Originally Rivers was gonna do a S&T for JJ Redick. Sterling didn't want to pay him all the money cuz he was a white player. Rivers threatened to quit if he didn't agree to pay him. You can't spend someone's $$$ without that person(s) say. Any trade goes through the owner for approval. EXAMPLE: the recent one was Sterling veto the Aaron Affalo/Eric Bledsoe trade.
no. That Is the MLE. that is a given. EXAMPLE: for Phil Jackson....

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Exactly. With Pau Gasol gone a young player like Ed Davis should get some decent minutes, which translates to better stats = better $ next season, potentially.

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we could have used him, bummer.

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Ooof! Maybe you'll get playing time next year Ed. Hope that extra $100k brings much happiness.

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I can do nothing , but lol at Ed Davis. Lakers now have Boozer, Hill, Ed Davis and Sacre along with Kelly and Randle , right!? Hope that extra playing time ( if he gets....

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I love that the Lakers are wasting money on guys like Boozer. All they're doing is making sure that the Suns get their lottery pick, making it even more difficult for them to rebuild.

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