Luol Deng Signs with Heat for 2 Years $20 Million

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MuteHaitian
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cowabunga!!!

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Please sign Deng!

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I agree with this, but unless he's willing to take a MAJOR paycut, it's going to have to be a sign and trade with Cleveland, who I doubt will take just 2+ SFs back in any trade.

That being said, if Deng is able to be signed, the Clippers should absolutely go for it. He has a few health problems, but Doc has good experience managing minutes from his days in Boston.

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I'd prefer Ariza to deng. About as good defensively, healthier and a better three point shooter. What is the benefit of deng?

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Doesn't matter, he is out of our range. Ariza might be too.

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nevermind on my last.

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He probably is, but if he's willing to take a little bit less, and if the Cavs are somehow willing to do a sign and trade (for example, Dudley, Barnes, and Crawford for Deng), I would pull the trigger without any hesitation.

Too bad it probably isn't possible.

To answer ClipperDA's question, Deng's advantage is his consistency. Ariza often plays well during contract years, but otherwise, he doesn't always bring "it" every night. Deng also has spent almost his entire career under Thibedou, and there wouldn't be a learning curve when it comes to Doc's defensive system. As you mentioned though, Ariza is better offensively and shoots the 3 ball at a higher %.

Thing is, the Clippers don't need Deng/Ariza to score that much. Just need them to defend well and be a consistent enough offensive threat that teams can't ignore them.

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Their combined salary would be around 12 mil... That isn't him taking a bit less

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It's closer to $13 million. Deng's final year of his contract is $14 million. That IS him taking a little bit less.

As I've said before though, as much as I would love it, he's a long shot right now.

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If we sent off 13 mill we would be able to take back around 15.5. That would technically be a raise if he got the full amount he could in a S&T

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True, true. I guess it comes down to how much Deng would want to be a part of what the Clippers are doing.

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i be happy if we net either or, the SF spot is screaming to be filled by someone competent, these 2 make that cut

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That means deng is looking for a hefty payday.

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clipper*joe wrote:

That means deng is looking for a hefty payday.

If he's looking for a hefty payday, then he's going to the Mavs in all likelihood.

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clipper*joe wrote:

That means deng is looking for a hefty payday.

That's also taking into account he'd basically be LeBrons backup.

There's still a slight chance he'd take a paycut to be a starter on a contender. I hope.

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I like Deng, not down with Ariza; too inconsistent. This is Ariza's first good season since he was on the Lakers.

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Not the news I was hoping for.... Man.. this off season is the quietest its been since before Gomes.

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Cavs will try to give Hayward the max. That means deng is out of there

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Heart is pounding.

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^^^^^^^^ mine too

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Lets hope this one pays off. I just hope the Cavs help us out. Doc can always drop the trade that got them Kyrie Irving. Please make it happen.

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Luol Deng would make us the best defensive team in the league.

CP and Deng protecting the perimeter while DJ protects the paint. That's scary.

We'd have have another Dukie on the wing which I'm sure JJ would love.

Hopefully a S&T of Jamal and Bullock is enough to get it done.

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Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA

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Free agent Luol Deng intrigued with Clippers sign-and-trade possibilities, sources tell Yahoo. He's expected to speak with Doc Rivers today.

12:30 PM - 3 Jul 2014

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CapsNClips wrote:

Heart is pounding.

lol u beat me. I don't know how to post the full things .. I know david told someone a while ago..

ClippersDA
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We missed in sefolosha. Is deng worth it if we can get him? I know he is a big name

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Hell yes. This guy is a lights out 3 point shooter and great, versatile defender. He was considered a Lebron stopper on the Bulls. He was banged up last year, playing on a crappy team under Mike Brown, with low motivation. This guy is such a nice all around player that many nights he'd be our 2nd best player most likely. Watch some of his highlights on Youtube and you'll see a lot of games where he swishes 5+ threes. Dream fit. I'd give Cleveland anything they want besides Blake+CP3+DJ.

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Go to the tweet and copy the link. Then click the preview button on here right next to the submit button. Then on the toolbar there should be a light blue square icon with a white "t" on it and click it and paste the link in the insert box.

Also it might be more convenient to click on the three little dots under the tweet and a couple of options should come up and select "copy link to tweet" instead of copying the actual link. It's a little faster.

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If Deng signed with us our off season is instantly a success... Instantly. Str8 beast mode.

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Did Sef sign somewhere else?

ClippersDA
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Deng a lights out three point shooter? We thinking of the same player?

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Ahhhhh... thank you.. I shall remember this forever.

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Deng would be huge! Perfect fit for our team solid rebounder and defender and has really improved his shooting

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this is only a test

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Yay me!

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Oops. Was looking at FG% not 3. He IS a capable 3 point shooter though no doubt. Over his 5 year peak he was good for about 38 percent from deep. First three years in league he had no shot and last two years he's been injured a lot. Combine that with the fact that the Bulls/Cavs had crappy offensive systems without many weapons, I see a resurgence in shooting from Deng. Blake's double teams combined with CP3's passing will fix it.

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Even IF you use just his 5 year peak, he still still just a slightly above average 3PT shooter for his position, which is fine. Defense is the key for me.

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Not that we need anything offensively from Deng other than mid range jump shots and his slashing. I can totally see Deng hitting 100+ 3's for us at a 36-38% clip while playing with CP and Blake.

We'll be able to put Deng in his favorite spots more so than Rose and Hinrich were ever able to.

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Well league average is 36, he shot like 37.7 over that span I believe. Sounds minute but as Agent has broken down before here, a two percent difference over the course of a season on shooting is massive. Nonetheless as you said 3 point shooting isn't the main draw with him. The fact that he can drop 3-5 threes semi regularly is a huge bonus, then again Barnes did that too here and there. His biggest fix beyond the obvious perimeter D is that he's a great rebounder at the SF spot. Rebounding CRUSHED the Clippers last year. He's like AK47 jack of all trades type SF we badly need.

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Hey we are back to agreeing Razz. I agree with your projection/idea.

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Crawford and Barnes -- names we have been shopping for a starting small forward. Imagine Us Defensively with that starting unit. Deng not only brings defense , but is a slasher and back door cutter....

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Hopefully dudley and Barnes .

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His rebound rate/pm is good, just below Barnes.

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More hopefully Crawford + Dudley.

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If we trade Jamal and Barnes for Deng. Vince Carter should be our first call to replace Jamal's bench scoring. Question is, would he take the BAE? I think it's fair to say at his age and how much money he already has in the bank, he'd be delighted.

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This right here. Barnes can really help us off the bench where he should have never left. Hopefully he stops getting lit though.

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I'm excited again.... I want Deng to agree today.

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Is it below Barnes? Either way I know he's a good rebounder. Barnes wasn't even an issue on the glass. The issue is when Doc goes to Dudley or the 3 guard lineups... and of course Blake at times isn't aggressive enough on the glass. Deng's just a high IQ guy, I forsee less errors.

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I agree also. Barnes is the ideal backup SF for us or any team for that matter. He can defend, rebound, slash, and isn't that bad of a 3PT shooter.

We can easily replace Jamal's bench scoring with VC.

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Deng is a below average percentage and mediocre volume 3PT shooter, not a guy you'd call a "3PT threat" by any means, but he's playing next to Redick if he's here, so that helps.

Deng's last 4 seasons he's shot 33.6%. He shot worse (30.2%) from 3PT last season than Sefolosha (31.5%), both had down years. He attempts 3.3 3PA/36 minutes. He made 0 three's in 33/63 games last season, and only made more than 1 three in 15/63 games. So we should have a balanced view of his current level of 3PT shooting and understand the baseline. If he can give more, great, but Ariza is a far superior 3PT threat. From 08-09 to 10-11, Ariza shot 32.1% 3PT on 4.3 3PTA/36. His last two seasons, 39.3% on 5.3 3PTA/36, so even if Ariza reverted back to how he was shooting 3-6 seasons ago, he's at a similar percentage as Deng with higher volume.

Ariza hit 2+ three's in 43/77 games, 3+ in 31/77 games, and didn't hit a three in only 12/77 games. So if we are talking about 3PT shooting consistency, there is actually a gulf between Ariza and Deng.

If you want to compare side by side:

Deng last 3 seasons: 33.1% 3PT / 3.2 3PTA per 36 / High = 36.7% 3PT and 3.6 3PTA per 36

Ariza last 3 seasons: 38.6% 3PT / 4.8 3PTA per 36 / High = 40.7% 3PT and 5.8 3PTA per 36

3PT Consistency

Deng: 0 3PM (51% of time) / 2+ 3PM (27% of time) / 3+ 3PTM (11% of time)

Ariza: 0 3PM (16% of time) / 2+ 3PM (56% of time) / 3+ 3PTM (40% of time) / 4+ 3PM (25% of time)

We certainly should not be paying Deng $15M. I'm fine giving him $9-10M, after that, it becomes a stretch. Over these past 4 seasons his per 36 is 15.5 ppg / 5.7 rpg / 2.7 apg / 43.5% FG / 33.5% 3PT / 3.6 FTA / .521 TS%. Deng is a very nice defensive player, but has been a truly mediocre offensive player for some time now. He had a 2 year span in his 3rd and 4th year where it seemed like he was a little more, but he's settled into the player he is now for 6 seasons now but increased his 3PA volume over the last 4 seasons from about 1 a game to 3 a game. Ariza's per 36 over his last 3 seasons is 13.5 ppg / 6.2 rpg / 2.9 apg / 43.6% FG / 38.6% 3PT / .554 TS%

I just wanted to put that out there before people get this idea / expectation that to get Deng is to get a true All-Star caliber player, especially on offense. Pierce is a better offensive player than Deng by a decent margin still for example. Deng is a good two way player, though his offense side has been very average for some time now. So we'd probably get above average offense (hoping the team gives him a boost) and good defense from him.

With that said, making the sign and trade work is going to be a tough task, but in reality, if we're talking strict production on both ends, and especially if we say that 3PT shooting is of high value, Ariza might actually be a better fit and he is cheaper. Just something to think about. Deng has the aura of being an All-Star, that is true, but we will most likely not be using him in such a role, but he does have a better ability to create if needed in comparison, but you have the weight the value of that vs night to night shooting production etc

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