Luol Deng Signs with Heat for 2 Years $20 Million (P. 3)

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Remember Cleveland had never expressed interest in the guys we want to trade it is Deng and our FO who expressed interest. Getting mad that we can't convince Cleveland as if it was almost a done deal and we screwed it up makes no sense. There is still the trade part in a sign and trade that needs to be fulfilled.

Just let it play out first before jumping to false conclusions.

Oh, and btw, Cleveland fans are saying things like DJ and Barnes/Dudley for Deng and Varejao. Yea, we're not doing that.

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How did we get to the point where we had nothing other teams want in a trade? And I don't mean our superstars.

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Your last paragraph. No they werent. It was for Deng. Most of them want Dudley + Barnes + maybe Bullock

ONE GUY asked for DJ and everyone called him crazy.

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Well we don't want to trade our desirable non-superstar players (DJ and Redick) and we're trying to trade with teams that have players at the positions we want. The teams that might want / need our players don't seem to have what we want, so...

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We clearly have different sources

http://www.cavfanatic.com/forums/cavsnb ... hawes-deng

Now some of them were thinking Deng + Hawes it seems.

What they are saying:

  • If we could somehow get them to throw in deandre jordan, i might consider it

  • I say screw the Clippers. Why should we help them get Hawes and Deng unless we are getting a player out of this that we could actually use, like DeAndre Jordan? We need to get our priorities straight and go hard after Greg Monroe. So unless a third team is involved (Detroit), where we are shipping Crawford to the Pistons and getting Monroe in return, then NO THANKS!

  • no deal unless we are getting DeAndre Jordan

JoeClipplet
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Wow clearly lol... nevermind carry on

http://www.fearthesword.com/2014/7/3/58 ... d#comments

Agent0
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Ahh I see, sorry, I meant from the Cavs fans forum

ClippersDA
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People don't want Crawford all the fans mention his age and say no thanks.

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I feel like fans from both sides want to see something done. Everywhere I read I hear Cavs fans intruiged by the possibility of getting something back for nothing. Jamal Crawford for Deng

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They're split actually. And they're open for Dudley or Barnes

JoeClipplet
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I do like the idea of Monroe, he's younger

Agent0
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Sorry, that was a quote from one of them that they should go after Monroe, lol, that's not me saying that

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Yea, they are actually split on Crawford, it is the added player that is the problem. Crawford alone only works if Deng takes like $6.54M.

Some more of their comments, they keep mentioning Jordan, which of course is just not realistic:

  • I wish Deng luck wherever he goes but there is nothing they have in a S/T worth helping him out.

  • I would like d. Jordan and Reggie for hawes and deng. I also wouldn't mind just resigning hawes and deng. If we can't get a up and coming sf. Sounds like cavs are trying to get a euro big man off of coach blatts team for summer league. But our defense would improve greatly with a healthy deng and wiggins!!!

  • I would love it if we could land Jordan. We need a rim protector like him bad. I know this is crazy, but imaging pulling off this sign and trade, signing LeBron and trading for Love. What a perfect team ... Kyrie, Wiggins, LBJ, Love, Jordan.

  • I am with most of the posters here. Deandre Jordan in the deal or no deal. The Cavs shouldn't help the Clippers out if they aren't getting anything to help the Cavs improve in return.

But they know it is unrealistic:

  • Jordan is untouchable because the value you would have to give the Clips to get him would far out weight what you got back from them in Jordan. They have zero interest in moving him for Deng, Hawes or both. You would probably have to give up them in a S/T plus a couple first round picks, Dion and TT and take back a whole lot of really bad contract. Even that might not be enough to get him.

I think we might just end up in a situation where neither side agrees. Jamal actually fits better on Washington as they don't have as much of a plethora of guards as Cleveland does and are a higher level team, but Ariza is more willing to stay with Washington in comparison to Deng with Celveland.

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One of their posters did mention the Detroit scenario. They get Monroe, we get Deng and Detroit gets Crawford, but I don't know about the logistics of that, and if they are getting Monroe, then maybe they take Dudley's contract.

Of course Detroit has to be a willing participant, and considering they can match offers to Monroe....

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I want deng so badly on this dream. He Should

Be number one priority forget lebron and carmelo.

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This probably is actually the most realistic option, unless Cleveland's front office is stupider than I thought. Detroit needs shooting badly, and unless they're truly all in on Monroe, they could very well give him up.

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Yea, I don't think there's a realistic trade in which we get Deng by only dealing with Cleveland unless their FO is just inept. Crawford alone could make sense if they play on moving Waiters, but then the contract isn't enough to get Deng. We add our SF's and then we're asking them to take on $8-10M of contract just to give us Deng.

Detroit should ideally move Josh Smith to PF, and move Monroe. Of course if I'm Detroit, a haul of Crawford and Dudley for example is a bit light for me, so Cleveland is going to have to be the one sweetening the deal for Detroit, and of course Monroe will need to have some interest in going to Cleveland. Well, I guess ideally move Josh Smith and re-sign Monroe, but yea...

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Wish there were updates....

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If Detroit is smart they move the overrated/paid Smith and keep Monroe. Much better for their future.

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Yea, just don't know if there's a team out there that wants Josh for $14M. Don't even know why they gave him that contract to be a SF on a roster with two bigs that play in the post. At least if they have a stretch 4 it could make sense. Some inept GMing going on before, maybe Stan will help fix it up.

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We should be going all out for Deng. We are not winning a championship without a defensive specialist like him. Every championship team in the last 5 years had a SF that was a great perimeter defender.

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If we are asking for Deng AND Hawes and they're saying, then simply just ask for Deng only. It's a bigger priority, and we can just sign another big like Ed Davis in FA.

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We're not, people mis-read the reports which I believe we saying we were considering either of those two in a sign and trade. Deng is the priority, but it doesn't change anything in terms of the situation.

I don't think we specifically need a SF, but most championship teams have a good balance of offense/defense. Pierce was not a "great" perimeter defender for Boston for example, but yes, we need win defense, SF is the more likely position for us to fill it. We'll see what we can do though, it kind of sucks that Cleveland is the team that we are trying to sign and trade him from.

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The Celtics/Pierce were not a part of the last 5 years I mentioned, but Deng is such a perfect fit.

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This hasn't been discussed but Deng is perfect for the Lakers. They have enough cap to outbid anyone. He gets his payday. They could use Deng to help Kobe on defense to rest those used up legs. I think they're waiting for Melo. 1/3 chance Melo wears purple/gold. If Love were a FA now they'd get him. Maybe some team is as stupid as LAL and pulls a Dwight Howard for Love but I doubt it unless their Front Office can pack the squad. Deng and Love ain't bad. While their front office ain't what it used to be the name "Laker" may attract a few players especially if they get paid. If Kobe hadn't sucked up their salary cap like a French wh*re they could get Bosh. Even though they don't have draft picks with their cap space they have a great opportunity for S&T's.

If I were Deng - reality check - first choice is the Lakers.

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What's up for the 4th.

I'm dong BBQ ribs, grilled corn on the cob and enough Cabernet to drain Bordeaux dry.

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I've spoke to many Cavs fans about these rumors (Deng + Hawes for Crawford and Barnes) and the majority of them said they loved the trade and wanted it to happen. I don't see why the Cavs would say no because really the Cavs aren't losing anything since Deng and Hawes are free agents already, unless if they don't want to take the contracts of Crawford and Barnes.

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Your last sentence answered the question. They might not want those contracts, which are for older players and aren't really cheap.

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Shhh, no he isn't. After Carmelo and Lebron are done, the suitors for the other SF's will increase, so it actually is possible.

ClippersDA
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Can we still get deng now that we got hawes

From under the cavaliers?

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So much depends on Dudley. Jamal has to go. An extension will make him grossly overpriced. He has delusions of youth. Barnes is good for the price as long as his legs hold up. The problem is that Duds has a $4+ mill non expiring contract. Willie Green player better. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm Questions. Is Dudley a RFA in 14-15? If so can we dump him by not offering him a sheet? If so he has an expiring contract. Throw Hawes as a MLE. Barnes will be old and gone but DJ may not ask for an increase. I don't think so. Pierce is good....

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I want a real starting small forward. I want Deng. More important than Hawes.

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Dudley, Bullock and our 2017 1st round pick?

Nobody wants to give up 1st rounders, but that's what it's probably going to take to unload Dudley's contract.

If you look at our acquisitions and subtractions, essentially we replace Dudley with Deng. Bullock with Wilcox all for the cost of a 25-30th pick in 2017.

Totally worth it.

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I hope the Deng-Clippers S&T talks haven't stopped yet.

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When are we giving a pick to Boston, what year? Just because we can't trade back to back years, is it 2015?

A trade for Deng might be a little harder now, but maybe we can at least sign and trade for Hawes in the end, we'll see.

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We owe Boston our 2015 pick. So 2017 is the earliest we can trade a pick.

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I want Deng!

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Yea, that's what I thought, didn't want to google it. Okay, well, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Seems like Doc is going harder after Pierce, wonder if Barnes or Dudley/Bullock can get it done for Brooklyn (no pick of course).

I believe we were $7M under the apron, so we're still about $1M under the cap which means we should be able to so sign and trade still, though I'm not sure if they don't let you did it if it takes you above the apron, but I don't think that is it.

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Anything is possible. Whether it will get done is another story. But, yeah Deng would be a huge addition. After that some small signings like Ed Davis or other defensive guys should be the only thing we bring in.

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Having been a fan of the cheap we still should consider Hedo if he has anything left. He was a net plus off the bench although my lazy as* didn't look up the stats. Assuming we can't dump Dudley.

DJ Hawes. A big man.

BG Hedo, Dudley maybe Pierce. He has a good post up game, No size.

Barnes- best defender., Dudley,Pierce. Hedo

Improve back court

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Well. Maybe if Doc can convince Hawes to take pay cut , maybe CP3 and Doc could convince Ariza to take a paycut as well as a sign and trade. Jamal and Barnes could be....

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ClippersDA
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I'm coming around to the fact that it is over for our attempts to get Deng or any decent small forward. This sucks.

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What are you talking about? Literally not one Free Agent SF has signed with a team yet.

You're subtracting your chickens before they hatch. Have a little faith.

We just talked a guy out of $12mil guaranteed money. Yet you think we can't get a SF?

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It's going to be contingent on being able to trade our undesirable pieces and I don't see that happening. We.were able to sign hawes outright.

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Hawks getting both Thabo and Deng? Interesting, wonder what they will be offering in this possible scenario. I think we have to move on from Deng, Cleveland just didn't like our offers. Would have been nice to get Thabo, but of course Atlanta already sniped that one.

I'm guessing the Hawks will send something like Salmons non-guaranteed contract and one of their young guys, then Cleveland will waive Salmons. Maybe Salmons + Carroll ($2.5M expiring) for Deng

Maybe we can still try and convince Washington of a Crawford + Bullock for Ariza type trade, but it would be nice to have a wing scorer.

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Did you see a player in his prime taking a $3mil a year paycut from his market value to come here? Probably not.

Let Doc do his thing before you start slitting your wrists.

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Gee, for such a young man you are one pessimistic dude. Wow.

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Well. Maybe if Doc can convince Hawes to take pay cut , maybe CP3 and Doc could convince Ariza to take a paycut as well as a sign and trade. Jamal and Barnes could be big for Wiz. Ariza could be nice for us with Paul on the bench for minimum since Wiz are playing hard ball. Maybe throw in a pick for the wizards as well
Guys please forget pay cuts. If we had been to the WCF's maybe but it ain't gonna happen. I'm sure Deng would rather play here than the Hawks but we have to be....

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Hawks got money to spend. Over paying though is not wise.

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Jamal is not undesirable, we just have to pitch him to the right team. We need to pitch him to a team that needs a bench combo guard. Washington is one, but they want to retain Ariza, but they are a bubble team as they have Webster and Porter. A team like Charlotte is sort of iffy, but they don't have any SF's that we would want anyways. Utah could use one, but they are in a different state of team building right now and don't have anyone we would trade for.

Minnesota was starving for a shot creator off the bench, but with the flux with Kevin Love, who knows, and again, they don't have any player that we would trade Jamal for. If Indiana loses Stevenson, they could use one, but again, they don't have anyone we can ask for, obviously we won't ask for George. Chicago could arguably use a guy like that, but they have other interests before looking at that need, and D.J. Augustin is in play for them, also we'd have to ask for Jimmy Butler and that just isn't likely to work out.

So it isn't that Crawford is undesirable, it is that finding the right fit is hard. Philly could maybe need a guy like him to disrupt their planned tank, but we would have to believe Thaddeus Young is a starting SF and like him (do you believe it and like him) for the team and Philly might take it because Jamal and Barnes for example are team options next year, so they will save on paying Young $9.7M next season since he likely picks up his option.

So maybe, maybe we could pull off a lineup of:

Chris Paul / Jordan Farmar and/or Delonte West

J.J. Redick / C.J. Wilcox / Reggie Bullock

Thaddeus Young / Jared Dudley

Blake Griffin / Some guy we sign

DeAndre Jordan / Spencer Hawes

Obviously we are actually running a 3 man rotation at PF/C and Hawes plays in lineups with DJ, but MAYBE that is an option if we actually like Young, a SF/PF at SF permanently. That's a hard sell. But it's just about not easily matching the needs of the teams who have the SF's we want. Oh, we'd have to add a pick or something like that btw, Sixers aren't in salary trouble where they need to trade guys just for cap space, I think they even need to sign some guys to reach the salary floor.

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