Luol Deng Signs with Heat for 2 Years $20 Million (P. 4)

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Agent0
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He's older, I actually think Paul Pierce would take the MLE, the problem is that if we can't sign and trade Hawes, we don't have the MLE...

We should have Vince as a backup for Pierce, he has lower money demands, maybe even Marion actually, he's still decently effective.

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Ribs are almost done and the Cab is half done.

Good things ain't cheap. Sometimes cheap things ain't cheap. Have you ever picked up a dirty bleached blonde in a bar? The question is not what's the cap, the question is how much is a ring worth. If the Spurs and Miami had to pay market value they'd have been screwed. I'm pretty sure the Celtics were over the cap BIG TIME. So were the Lakers. Think about it. Somebody's got to pony up to the bar. BG and CP probably would drop a mill or so but it's too late. The question should not be "what's the cap this year?" but how will we fare in the next 2-3 yrs.

Can we maintain our run? Get to the finals and kick as* and guys will take a pay cut. How much will increased revenues from the team offset a year or two of tax?

Icecoldclipper
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We should target Davis and or Okafor. Want us to be deep at the big spots.

tense2
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Yup, sign Davis for Pete's sake.

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How is Okafor's neck? If you mean Big Baby, don't bet on it. Deng's still a possibility albeit distant. We should sell the farm for him. PP might have taken MLE if we hadn't signed someone else at a higher amount. Remember EGO. In his mind is he worth less than Hawes? - No.

MLE is $5+ He wants $6 or more. Conveniently a bit over MLE.

Bottom Line Son: Who wants Jamal and for how much? He has to go. No S&T for Hawes does put a fly in the KY. However If I were Deng, if I were offered a respectful salary I'd try my best to be here before you could say "Sterling sucks".

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I doubt the Hawks are going to overpay Deng to come here. They did not overpay Paul Millsap last year, They slightly overpaid for Thabo, but I doubt the gm here overpays for Deng. Deng gave the Hawks the first chance to speak with him and so he must be interested in playing here for that to happen.

ClipperKyle32
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Hawks Fan? Welcome

Deng is still intrigued by Clips as well. It can still happen. Would Atlanta want Jamal back and Barnes to Cleveland for Deng?

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Idk how much any of you take anything that guy Chrisclipsla says seriously but he said Denver would take Barnes and a future 1st rounder with someone else or something for Wilson Chandler

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He gave the Hawks the first shot because the Gm is Danny Ferry a Duke legend so I wouldn't discount Danny overpaying for a fellow Dukie

Clipperfan9
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I'd take that in a heartbeat. Chandler's young enough to be worth a first rounder. Three and D guy with athleticism.

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Nope. They just traded Lou Williams because they don't like his ball stopping game and so I doubt they would want Crawford since he plays a similar type of style. The hope from the fans (Yes, there is a few out there. lol) is that he does not get overpaid. Fans here are split. Many want to target Greg Monroe and some are fine with signing Deng for 9 million. It appears that Deng is good friends with both Thabo and Korver and so the thinking is that helps. I think Deng will end up in Atl if no S&T is made.

Dallas just low balled Melo with a 4 year 75 million dollar deal (below market value) and so it's hard to believe that they would overpay for Deng. I doubt Deng will sign with Miami since he wants to get paid. LA has the money, but they're not even close to being a playoff team in the west right now. The west is too deep and all LA has right now is Kobe (coming off an injury) and not much else.

So, we figure we have the best chance since he spoke with us first, and of course we have the cap space and his friends. The Clippers are closer to the finals and so perhaps it comes down to priorities. We will see I guess.

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If okafor is still not healthy he can rehab with us and Ed Davis/Hawes/Griffin/jordan can hold us up. then when healthy he can battle Ed for PT.

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So, we figure we have the best chance since he spoke with us first, and of course we have the cap space and his friends. We will see I guess.
We called him the night....

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Wouldn't you prefer Monroe to Deng?

Greg Monroe and Al Horford would be so deadly. And also doesn't Korver fit Budenholzers system a little better than Deng?

You already have a perimeter defender in Thabo and you can unload Milsap for some good pieces.

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But the Hawks have Millsap at PF. Paul does have a contract that could be moved easily though. This is his the final year of his contract and it's for 9.5 million.

The other guy also brought up the interesting fact that Deng is a Duke player and so was Danny Ferry. I would rather have Monroe because some people feel that Horford's injuries are because he plays so many minutes at center. A Horford/Monroe front court would be nice, but perhaps Ferry does not feel that Detroit will let him go.

We find out so little... It's pretty clear that Deng is a target, but most of the time the moves happen and nobody knew anything. We had no clue that Millsap or Thabo was going to be signed. Nobody in the media was really reporting it, and the local media here had no idea either. The AJC beat writer is terrible and he never finds out anything. Ferry keeps his cards close to his chest most of the time.

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I don't know about the C thing for Horford's injuries, didn't he have a pectoral injury two years in a row? He's probably working out way too much during the season or something, I don't know, but that's not an injury that makes sense to be related to playing bigger guys.

No one really knows about Chrisclipsla. Part of why Denver wants to trade Chandler might be that he regressed in comparison to his previous year last season, but also because Danillo returns. 12.4 PER down from 16.6 PER, 34.8% 3PT down from 41.3% 3PT, 16/6/2 and 0.9 steals down from 19/7/2 and 1.5 steals, .526 TS% down from .556 TS%. He basically had a Dudley season for them last year and he missed 20 games. I can't comment on how his defense was, have no clue.

The problem of course is that he had a lingering groin injury, again similar to Dudley's lingering knee injury which I would have to say probably affected his production. He makes too much to be traded for just Barnes and Bullock I believe. He is signed for two more seasons for $6.8 and $7.2M.

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We should be soon. Probably in LA. Deng has already had 2 phone calls with Doc and yet to have a meeting. Points in our favor

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Woah! He isn't worth near that much. A year? I don't think so. DJ only gets about 11 a year. We talked Hawes down. Maybe we can talk Deng down as well , but everyone needs....

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Ouch!

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

Woah! He isn't worth near that much. A year? I don't think so. DJ only gets about 11 a year.

We talked Hawes down. Maybe we can talk Deng down as well , but everyone needs to get paid , but man!!!!

Yup, the big stat comes into play...as always.

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If the Cavs are trying to get LeBron we never really had a shot at Deng anyways. Time to move on I guess.

Jamal and Bullock for Ariza?

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well we won't be getting him. Damn he's greedy! Sad

clips4life32
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I guess he was not bluffing on taking anything less than what Chicago offered him before he was traded. Seems like he's going to make sure he gets his payday because it costed him a great situation that he had in Chicago. One thing for sure, he's not going to Miami, haha.

tense2
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Sports is a business that's all. Could be a bad business decision for some team who says yes.

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Then why not free up 12M in a S&T?

Andrew818
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Time to move on I guess.Only way we can get Deng for that type of money is for Cavs to do a sign and trade with us and take on Crawford,Barnes,and Dudley's contracts.There's no way the Cavs do that for any reason.They might have entertained taking Barnes and Crawford is if they missed out on some of the FA they wanted and because both are expiring contracts and could draw interest at the trade deadline.No reason at all to take on Dudley's contract.Sucks because I thought Deng was a real possibility.

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Who knows, maybe Deng will soften on his stance in the coming days.

If he doesn't though, he's going to go to Dallas in all likelihood. I wouldn't give up just yet, but assuming he's not bluffing or anything, this isn't a good sign.

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I hope for Deng's sake that he's content with losing and getting paid, because nobody interested in winning is giving him $12 mil a year at this stage in his career.

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With Deng's reoccurring achilles problems. To give him 12 million a year and his achilles could blow at any moment. Yes it can happen to anyone , but he has a history of issues with....

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tense2
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I wouldn't say that with any certainty at all.

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If Deng is really looking for $12mil a year I'd like to see him go to Charlotte. He'd make them a top 4 seed in the East.

$12mil is a decent price for a team like Charlotte who have a hard time attracting free agents.

$12mil/Deng for LAC, HOU, MIA = Bad

$12mil/Demg for ATL, CHA, PHX = Good

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Deng is not worth $12M for us, but he's worth $12M for other teams like Caps mentioned. We need to just move on from him, I really don't mind. I like him, but have to be realistic.

Billups, you still seem to keep forgetting that the other team has to want to take $12M worth or our contracts, and we've already settled that Cleveland didn't even want to take less money of our contracts, let alone $12M, AND they are trying to clear cap space to sign Lebron, so it makes even less sense for them to be taking our contracts. Also before you suggest it, if we want to get $12M under the cap to sign him outright, our actual money to clear is $19M because we are currently $7M over the cap.

It makes absolutely no sense for us to gut our team for Deng who is an above average and good player, but not even a true star player.

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I talk to Eric Pincus via email. He said LAC passing on Deng. May pursue Paul Pierce though diffcult he said

ClipperKyle32
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LOL at Deng. You are not getting More than Dirk a Year. Mark Cuban is not stupid. Bring it back down big fella. Come on and join the clips lol

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

Woah! He isn't worth near that much. A year? I don't think so. DJ only gets about 11 a year.

We talked Hawes down. Maybe we can talk Deng down as well , but everyone needs to get paid , but man!!!!

IMO straight trade seems fair to me, deng is a well rounded 2 way player and all star who has proven to perform in clutch situations in the regular and postseason, DJ is an athletic big who excels in certain areas rebounds/blocks/alleyoops but is miserable on the offensive end/freethrows, inexperienced and inconsistent. Though if we moved DJ it would leave a terribly big whole in the starting lineup, its a dilemma for sure

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Deng is meeting with Miami. If LeBron bolts, Deng's stock goes up. Bosh may bolt. The writing is on the wall for the Big Three unless LBJ takes a BIG pay cut. To ask max and expect others to take a cut is an insult.

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

LOL at Deng. You are not getting More than Dirk a Year. Mark Cuban is not stupid. Bring it back down big fella. Come on and join the clips lol

...He seriously thought the Heat could pay him $12 million a year?

Luol Deng? More like Deluolsional Deng.

(Okay, that was actually pretty bad).

kjavis
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For the greatest player on the planet right now to not get a max. contract is an insult

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Hey I liked it Wink

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12 million a year is a joke and Dallas might be the only team that gives it to him. Nobody down here wants to pay him that much.

I mean, with a healthy Horford and some more role players they can probably win 40-45 games and get knocked out of the first round without paying him the big bucks.

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Meh, Deng is a low level All-Star and isn't specifically better at performing in key moments as the next SF. I like him, but we make this change and we're back to square one where we don't have a relaible 3rd big man, and we're paying Deng $12M/year which for our specific team is just too much.

If we move DJ, we need to be bringing back at least someone like Mozgov somehow along with a decent SF.

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LuOL! Deng...Anyone? Anyone?

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$12 mill is a lot. He won't get it from a contender, but he can get it from a team like the Lakers, so that puts him in an awkward situation. Either he brings down those demands on the price tag, or he gets real comfortable playing for a shitty team. Either way I can't see this guy on a crap team, he hated it in Cleveland. I think its just bluffing on his part

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Haha nice one. Keep em up peeps!

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If Kobe hadn't eaten their cap I could see Deng and Bosh as LAL or Melo and Bosh. Unless Kobe produces he will be told to STFU.

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If Melo chooses the Lakers, then he really doesn't "want" to win. He'd have a much better chance of going deeper in the PO's if he stays in NY. Plus he'd have a lot more $ in his pocket.

It would be fun though to watch him and the broken down Kobe screaming for the ball. Fun time in Laker land, lol.

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Hmmm looks like its time to move on... But to whom??????

Clippers_FTW
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How much money is Danny Granger going to be asking for. I know it's a long shot but maybe with a nice off season not being injured and a good training camp he returns to his previous form. I still believe Danny Granger at his best was better than Luol Deng as his best.... I don't know... Anyone agree ???

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LOL, who's going to volunteer to get fired by telling Kobrick to STFU?

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Danny was a good defender and a hell of a scorer Loul Deng is a better defender and above average on offense. So yes Danny was better in his prime then Deng has ever been and I still wouldn't mind signing Danny back if he took vet min. But the real question is who is better Paul Pierce or Deng?

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