Luol Deng Signs with Heat for 2 Years $20 Million (P. 2)

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Clippersfan86
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Agent where did you hear 15 million? Deng at most will get 8-9 per year. Ariza is absolutely a better shooter, nobody even mentioned that. In general Ariza as you said produces similar things, although I give Deng the edge on D+R. He's just a little more versatile and easier to acquire.

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A Lot of highlights vs Lebron

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^yes, one of the MOST important stat's to figure in on this deals is the $. If Deng is anything over 10 mil per season it's really not a good deal.

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I think you are confusing Deng with Ariza, Deng is not a volume 3PT shooter. He hardly takes 3 3PTA in a game let alone making them. I like him though, but don't get the wrong idea, he's a lower volume 3PT shooter than Dudley for example, and lower than Barnes too.

Deng's career high is 1.3 3PM/36, actual number was 1.5 3PM in 39.4 MPG. Check out the above post to get an idea of his 3PT shooting, we need to have realistic expectations of what kind of player we are getting. I think sometimes we can have wrong ideas of some players we have gotten and we get disappointed with their actual ability in comparison to what we think they can do.

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The average 3FGA's for SF PER48 is 5.4. Deng the last couple years is 4.0.

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I'm not sure who will be easier to acquire to be honest, but Cleveland and Washington are similar in terms of having a lot of the players we can offer on their roster. Cleveland though has arguably better guys. Jack > Andre Miller for example, so Washington might be more interested in Jamal than maybe Cleveland would.

I think we should exhaust both options and whichever falls into place, but Ariza is a similar rebounder.

Deng career: 6.4 rebs/36, 10.0% rebound rate

Ariza career: 6.2 rebs/36, 10.1% rebound rate

They are essentially equal rebounders. Defense I would give to Deng too. Offensive skill I'd give to him, but role player offensive production, Ariza is on the same level, arguably better. Both can put the ball on the floor an drive and dish, Deng can create better off the dribble, Ariza has made himself into a decently superior spot up shooter.

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That makes sense, so below average. Yea, he's certainly not a volume 3PT shooter.

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We can easily sign Pierce to being the 3 point threat out of the SF position off the bench. The thing with Barnes or Dudley, they may can shoot , but if they have an off....

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It's 100 percent fact that Deng is more available than Ariza if you go off of every report. Cleveland and Deng don't want each other and have no intention of making it work. Washington on the other hand badly wants to retain Ariza and according to "sources" a return to Washington for biggest payday is his favorite option so far. I don't know why you're comparing the two players, because nobody else here is. Both will get similar 8-9 mill a year deals, one is available, one isn't. We can't afford Ariza in free agency and Washington hasn't tried to S&T him.

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I'm putting it as something to think about in terms of players mentioned as our options. Deng is certainly available, and yes, the only roadblock is convincing Cleveland take some of our guys that essentially might be redundant for them.

We might see Cleveland waiting it out and seeing what their situation with Hayward and Parsons is before taking on any players because if they take two of our guys, they will be losing about $8M in cap space since Deng isn't currently on their books. Then they will have to start trying to unload guys, and it just becomes a mess for them. So hopefully Cleveland can figure all that our before Deng finds another deal or whatever happens. I can't see any imminent situation where they make this trade just because of their links to those players and not wanting to lose their cap space just to help Deng go to the team he desires.

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I really hope this sign and trade for Deng deal is real and happens.He is a good rebounder,great defender,and good scorer.Not a huge 3pt threat but he has never played in an offense like Doc's.Thibs is a great defensive coach but not the best on offense.And a healthy Rose is an elite scorer but no where near the play maker CP3 is.With Redick stretching the floor,DJ cleaning up the boards,and Blake and CP3 creating for the team I am really excited to see how Deng fits if this happens.

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Clippers camp meeting with Deng today to talk about a possible sign and trade deal.... Hell yeah bring in some more Dukies!

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Do we wait to see what happens with LeBron or do we pull the trigger on Deng?

It would kill me if we traded for Deng and then find out LeBron wants to leave Miami.

Also if we wait for LeBron, Deng might be gone by then.

We're in a pickle.

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Woj said that the entire market pretty much is frozen until LeBron decides, and Deng has other teams to meet with as well IIRC.

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Utah will match almost any offer for Hayward and Cleveland never disguised any offers to him heatd they just wanted to get a feel for him. Parsons is a long shot and certainly going to be more difficult to get then Hayward especially if Melo doesn't sign with the Rockets.

Its all about how much Deng is going to want to make. I see us paying up to 8-10 mill per year. But Loul is for sure a Doc Rivers kind of guy

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But if a team in the Melo hunt finds out they aren't an option for Melo like the Mavs, they would probably swoop in on Deng before they see if LeBron is leaving.

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Deng should have been nicer in Cleveland and made more friends which would make them more willing to help him to get to the destination that he wants. We'll probably have to get a third team with cap space involved and send them a 2nd round pick and send Crawford and Dudley to that team. Again, we will need Cleveland's cooperation in terms of helping Deng out, so hopefully their owner is not feeling like a jerk.

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Oh I agree that they aren't likely to get those players, but they have no incentive to help us out until they do what they want to do first, so we'll have to wait for them to exhaust their own options first before they look to take on contracts to help us. That is unless we find a second team with cap space that can take our guys and send a 2nd round pick to Cleveland, though of course Cleveland will still need to be cooperative.

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Doesn't seem like any team wants our role

Players. The clippers probably said that deng was interested

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What the heck is that last part supposed to mean? Are you implying the Clippers lied about Deng being interested or something?

You know this is Woj reporting this, right? When he reports, it's usually correct.

Also, I would love to get Deng more than any other player right now. Doc's going to have to manage his minutes though. Thibedou's put way too much mileage on Deng's body already.

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What is more likely? Dengs people told Woj that or the clippers did?

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Dengs people if anything. If they leak out that we are interested in Deng, it will drive the price up for other WC teams that don't want us to have Deng.

What does Doc gain from this?

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That depends. Are we using my "glass is half full" perspective, or your "I would rather hang myself than even remotely consider the possibility the glass has water at all" perspective?

There is absolutely no way to know who told Woj, and I'm certain he would rather go homeless than ever divulge his source.

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It doesn't even matter who says it, all that matters is if Cleveland is interested. Deng can be interested and we can be interested, but nothing happens until Cleveland is interested and as of now, no one knows if they are.

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hope doc doesn't screw this up, seems the best opportunity to acquire a player that can help us get to that next level, if this deal falls through this off season would officially be a bust

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Were not getting Melo. Were not getting Lebron. Were not getting Ariza. Collison went to Suck-ramento. Shaun Livingston went to Golden state princesses. Pierce is a maybe if for vet minimum or just a bit more. I say Deng should be number one priority. Numero Uno. Not the scorer Lebron and Carmelo are but defensively he is on that top tier (Or very close to it).

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Agreed with this!

Also, what do you all think about possibly Evan Turner as a fallback?

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Yup, I agree also. It's stupid how Doc is waiting on Melo's and LeBron's decision before they make a deal for someone like Deng too. Sign and trade for Deng (make him our starter), sign Pierce for vets min as a backup for Deng, and with the money or w/e that's left, sign a backup big like Ed Davis and sign a backup point guard like Delonte West. That would make up for this awful offseason start.

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Remember that Cleveland has to agree to the trade, and whomever else if we have a third team, so how do we know there isn't progress because everyone else is waiting, not because we don't want to get the deal done. The Deng deal isn't one we can do alone

Btw, Evan Turner is just not very good. I'd rather have a more defined role player like a Marvin Williams than him.

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Where did it say or who said Doc is waiting for Melo's and Lebron's decision before making a deal. Source please.

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tense2 wrote:
Where did it say or who said Doc is waiting for Melo's and Lebron's decision before making a deal. Source please.

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People just making stuff up

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Do I really need to show you proof or something? It's not like I'm lying for attention. I read it somewhere and many other teams are doing the same. That's why you aren't seeing as many FA moves already as you would expect.

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Not saying your lying, but I don't recalled Doc saying anything like that. I'm not be unreasonable in asking for a source, lol.

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Well, I saw it in a tweet somewhere. I apologize for forgetting which tweet it was.

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tense2 wrote:
Not saying your lying, but I don't recalled Doc saying anything like that. I'm not be unreasonable in asking for a source, lol.

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Thanks Joe.

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would rather have deng than pierce..

we can give them crawford and barnes..

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Deng has been my first choice for months. Deng + $$$. Much better than Melo. Pierce is a total waste as a bench payer. He's still a major game changer. I doubt he'd come off the bench second to Ariza, Deng or Melo and he shouldn't. I would love for Pierce to start and Deng come off the bench but a pipe dream of course. With PP our starting offense is unstoppable but Deng fills the hole in our defense at SF. Keep Barnes and get a bench. At the end of a game I'd just as soon have the ball in PP's hands as CP3. If Barnes goes get a journeyman bench SF. Remember - no Jamal we need a PG, SG,PF and Center. Big Baby won't be back. I think he and Doc split the sheets after the suspension. If Pierce can play PF and SF and get starter's minutes maybe. He could maybe defend a bench PF. If we play small Deng can play PF. Kirk Hinrich is a good fit as a combo guard as is West. Jameer Nelson is out of our price range. West + Kirk

I hate Farmar just because I hated to hear Stu "the eeasy deuce" Lantz mentioning him. Maybe we should take a gamble on Delonte. He's a decent scorer and is cheap. Decent back up Bigs aren't cheap

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I really hope that Doc can convince Paul Pierce to sign for the bi annual or the MED level. He would definitely be an upgrade at the forward position. Doubt he takes vet min that would be unrealistic. But I'm locked in on Loul Deng I think he'd be the best additon seeing that LB and Melo are out of our range

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If we get Luol Deng, we would most definitely need to give up Jamal Crawford. I'm hoping that Paul Pierce can be convinced to take the reigns as the Clippers sixth man. The expectations would be that he be the primary scorer on the second unit. This would also allow him to stay rested during the season as he would only play about 20-23 minutes per game.

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I agree. I could see Doc telling Pierce to take a similar role that Vince Cater took in Dallas by providing scoring off the bench. Also, just because Pierce isn't in the starting lineup won't make him a waste as a bench player, it's all about the 4th quarter and Pierce closing out games is where he will be the most effective. I'm good with getting Deng and Pierce whiling losing Crawford at the same time.

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I don't think we need to get rid of Jamal, I think we have to. He's our main trade asset. He's been our only bench offense. With a couple of guys who can score we don't need a black ball hole. He also wants a long term contract and his game escapes down the commode we're stuck. PP is a HOF player and can still start for 50% + of teams. The Lakers would love him. Why would we keep him rested unless we start him in the post season.? The best of all possible worlds (sorta) is to find a young long SF and let him develop under Pierce. Someone who can defend. The Spurs do it. We get PP cheap and for a short time and we get the youngster cheap and develop him. If Pierce CAN only play limited minutes due to age it might work as long as Deng remembers who The Truth is at crunch time. Allen and Fisher play limited minutes. We need young guys. I think Hinrich wants to stay in Chitown. Barnes unfortunately can't play SG. Too bad.

All will be revealed shortly

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I can hardly wait

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I really want the trade for luol Deng to go through. Also I really want the clippers to pursue Rodney stuckey he really excelled in a sixth man role this year, and he's a combo guard who can run the point guard order shooting guard position

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I saw Cleveland paper said the 2 teams have been talking.

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I saw on hopshype that the Clippers return is to steep. Damn is Dudley's expiring contract really that shitty is Matt Barnes really that bad of a player is Reggie Bullock that bad of a prospect player.

In order for us to make these trades in my opinion is a three team trade or else we're going to have to give up a first rounder maybe even two

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We don't need it.we don't deserve them. We saw what we did with the last 3

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A sign-and-trade for Deng that would send him to the Los Angeles Clippers also has been discussed, although it appears the Clippers' steep asking price on a possible return is likely too high. Oh my god.....

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How can you freak out when you have no clue what the details are? Our price is probably telling them to take our contracts (Bares + Dudley, Jamal + Barnes or Jamal + Dudley) and they don't want to do it, what exactly is the issue there? Did we think Cleveland would just walk up and say "hey give us $8M in contracts that we don't need to get you a player you want". So we have to negotiate, the rest of the NBA doesn't revolve around helping us.

They are in the driving seat, we have to keep trying to convince them, but if they decline we can't just say "oh it is because we screwed up". We're asking them to take on at least $7-10M in contracts, and even if we're offering young guys, these are late 20's picks, our bargaining chips are limited. Let's just see what we can do, if we can get a third team, and if not, we can't be mad at something that is not in our hands to finally determine, we can just be disappointed.

I mean Cleveland ideally for themselves would be asking something dumb like give us DJ which obviously we wouldn't even think about.

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