Trevor Ariza Signs with Rockets 4 Years $32 Million

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ClipperKyle32
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Man, if Doc could pull of a Barnes and Bullock for Ryan Anderson trade and we sign Ariza. Sign Livingston and Pierce and sign Okafor or trade Dudley for Ian Mahimi.

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Dj

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Pierce

Anderson

Mahimi/Okafor

YES YES YES

ClipperKyle32
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We are becoming strong suited

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

Man, if Doc could pull of a Barnes and Bullock for Ryan Anderson trade and we sign Ariza. Sign Livingston and Pierce and sign Okafor or trade Dudley for Ian Mahimi.

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Griffin

Dj

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Crawford

Pierce

Anderson

Mahimi/Okafor

YES YES YES

You're trying to get it all, just can't get it all. Why does Indiana want Dudley over Mahinmi? Barnes/Bullock for Anderson is not within 120% of contracts, so we can't make that trade, it is illegal, and adding another random contract they don't care for doesn't help them. If we sign Ariza (at the least full MLE), where does the money come from to sign Livingston, Pierce and Okafor?

Pierce MAYBE we could convince to take the BAE, or Okafor, only 1/3 of those guys. After that we are limited to minimum contracts. There's no incentive for Shaun for example to take anything less than a decent long term deal with good money, he certainly isn't taking the minimum, even Brooklyn can give him more than that. Realistically we could get 1/2 of those guys (except for Anderson), then a lot of lesser players to fill out the roster.

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I want Ariza in a LAC uniform. Very Happy

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yes pleasssssse

JQuick32
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This should be priority #1, not throwing $3 million at a backup PG.

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Would be nice but I think he will be outside of our price range. We really have to get rid of Dudley and Barnes

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Rivers-CP3 will recruit/pitch to Ariza at the beverly hills meeting.

ClippersDA
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Agreed!!! I think we should use the whole mle on one player.

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Trevor Ariza has stated he loved playing with Chris Paul in NOLA. He also loved playing in LA. Now he has his favorite teammate ever , and he plays in LA and has a chance to join him. No Way he turns that down if he wants a Championship. I think in our meeting with him we have a great chance of grabbing the lead to sign him.

If we can offload Barnes and Dudley for quality bigs. I would not mind Paul Pierce coming off the bench , but we would need a 3rd Small Forward like Xavier Henry in case Paul catches the inury cricket. Lol

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If the $ matches what he's asking for then, he MIGHT not turn it down.

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Even if we get rid of them though, it does nothing to help our offer to Ariza. If he's at $7-8M, we're talking about $13-14M of contacts that we need to shed before we get under the cap enough to be able to give Ariza that contract without a sign and trade.

So it's going to be about whether he wants the MLE or if he tells Washington he really wants to go and they sign and trade him so they don't lose him for nothing and of course if they are interested in someone we have, maybe Jamal as they do need a combo guard off the bench.

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S&T is they way to go. Win, win for both parties.

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I would love the S&T because it preserves our MLE. If we can sign and trade using Jamal, it opens up a lot. We could end up getting Ariza, Sefolosha and Pierce because in moving Jamal, we do want to replace the shot creator off the bench role, but with a guy that's more conducive to team sets and more willing to be a facilitator and also not one dimensional.

We can do that, then whatever we can salvage from Barnes (Zeller or Biyombo?), and we can keep Dudley as the 3rd SF / small ball PF until we can find something for him.

I'm not sure it is a win for Washington though because they do want to keep Ariza, but we'll see.

If we can throw out this tentative lineup:

Chris Paul / Darren Collison

J.J. Redick / Thabo Sefolosha

Trevor Ariza / Paul Pierce

Blake Griffin

DeAndre Jordan

We get a great balance of offense and defense, add length while still maintaining the ability to shoot three's by every wing player on the roster. When we really want defense we can throw out a lineup of CP/Thabo/Ariza/Blake/DJ. Pierce would get extra minutes by playing PF in small ball.

This is really dependent on Washington though as Pierce and Thabo can certainly be acquired with the MLE and BAE.

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I like this too but this has collision coming back for the min again.... I thought he wanted out so that he could get more, like our BAE or something....

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Why does everybody want to get rid of Barnes? He did well and isn't overpriced. We'll be hard pressed to get a decent back up SF like him. Our problem is Dudley. As far as a pg, we have nobody in the second unit who can make plays. Jamal is our major asset and he's getting old. Unless we can add scoring to the bench we're screwed without him. So far we have no second unit except JC and Matt. Filling #5, #4.#1 and a starting SF and staying below the cap means we can't get anywhere near what we want.

If Doc wants Collison he's going to have to pony up to the bank vault. $3 mill. He won't take a pay cut because his stock has soared. We'll get a lesser PG. $1.5 -$2 mill. I still think we should think about Hedo. Playoff teams win by their defense and bench. We lack both.

Defensively we have DJ. We have CP who can guard Smalls. After that we have a large void. Pierce could be a gamble. He won't come off the bench for LeBron.

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We would use part of the MLE on Darren, but Collison actually made more than the minimum last season, he got part of the MLE. The MLE is $5.3M, you can pay Collison $3.1 and get Thabo for $2.2M, then use the rest on whatever. Pierce can be acquired for the BAE, or Thabo for the BAE and Pierce for $2.2M or $2.3M with Collison at $3M. Ariza doesn't use any exceptions because we get him via trade. We can start him at $6.54M if we trade Jamal for him.

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If we have Ariza and can get Pierce to come for cheap, what role does Barnes play? He has value and we can end up using him to fill the void of a backup big man instead of having him rot behind Pierce and Ariza, and if we have injury, Thabo can play SF (Barnes can't play SG), and we have Bullock and Wilcox.

If Pierce declines, we also have the option of pursing Vince to play a similar scorer / shot creator / playmaker role.

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"I gotta feed my kids" Latrell Sprewell

I would take a pay cut to have played for Miami of yore but that's it. We haven't made it out of the second round and we definitely aren't a shoe in. We melted down big time. Right now we're OKC and maybe SAS still loom.CP crashed, Sterling is no excuse. It would have made no difference to SAS. While BG is good we still can't say "Turn it on Blake" We're not- THAT- good. Even with Ariza and Deng. Melo and Lebron are pie in the sky unless we dump CP or BG and probably DJ

Players may get hurt and lose value like Livingston. They have a limited window of income and except for basketball they'd be working at Wallmart. They want to continue to live in mansions for the next 30 yrs post basketball.

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Will Pierce come off the bench?I don't think so. He's a future HOFer with a good year left Ego. Ariza and Barnes or Pierce and Barnes make sense. Pierce will want $4 possibly $5. Nobody is going to come here on the cheap.

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Anyone know if the ariza meeting happened?

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rumors are that Ariza wants 12 mil.... good bye trevor

ClippersDA
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Source? I doubt he is offered that or thinks he should get that. He's worth about 8 per year.

3 and D guy but he can't really initiate offense and put it on the floor.

ClipperKyle32
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WellWiz just gave Gortat 5 year and 60 mil. How will they have enough to give Ariza what he ask?

Come To LA big fella

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Ariza won't get $12M from anyone but there are teams out there that can and will give him at least $7-8M

ClippersDA
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We can with some creativity

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Sign and trade, sure, but I just don't see why Washington signs and trades him to us if he's at a price they are willing to pay unless they really like Jamal to full that combo guard off the bench role for them.

1 for 1 for Jamal our max offer in a sign and trade is $6.54M, we could maybe sell him on that, but who knows. I doubt we want to combine any of our other, players, well, more so if Washington will want anyone else, but maybe...

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No way Doc trade jamal for him in a one for one deal.

Deng YES but Ariza no way

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I'm not sure Doc is as high on Jamal as for example, you are. Deng is out of our price range and we don't have assets to give Cleveland that they would want, so it doesn't even matter whether Doc wanted to trade Crawford for him.

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Ariza is easily more valuable than Crawford. Crawford is valuable offensively but he is a huge defensive liability and incredibly dumb shot selection. Ariza is a very good wing defender(something we need badly) and he is a good 3 point shooter and doesn't force things.

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Ariza is valuable the same way people argued Dudley was valuable last year. The grass is always greener in the offseason. This whole Crawfords a huge defensive liability is a joke as we won quite a few games with him in the lineup.

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While I don't think Crawford is a huge defensive liability, saying that we won games with him in the lineup as a counter argument doesn't work though. Mullens is actually a defensive liability and we won games with him in the lineup. That's not a counter argument. Teams can win games with a defensive liability in the lineup, first by just being so much better on offense as a teams,and secondly if the rest of the players cover up enough for the guy, in addition to their offense being good, so I don't get it.

I'm not really sure why you're comparing Dudley and Ariza though, I mean we do still acknowledge that Dudley's injury was part of his demise as a player last season.

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How does comparing Crawfords role to Mullens work? the fact of the matter is the defensive issues are over exaggerated ....Not that they don't exist at all but are not nearly as profound as he was claiming.

The fact is that jamal was one of the best 4th quarter players in the league and while he is not a strong defensive player we didn't make it to 50+ wins again with the team carrying or hiding him considering all the time. On most nights due to injuries etc. He had to step up on both ends and he did helping us to win games.

Ariza is coming of a a nice year in a contract year and we would love to have his defensive abilities but this is a proverbial role of the dice as to who is actually gonna show up next year

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I think Ariza will re-sign with Wizards.

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I still don't get how saying "we won quite a few games with him" says anything about whether he is a defensive liability or not. Teams can win quite a few games with defensive liabilities, it has happened before, and will happen.

Jamal is not as bad on defense as some people make him out to be, that's for sure, but even if he was, it wouldn't have prevented us from winning many games. We were strong enough on offense and with other players. Now of course if he was very good on defense, then that would obviously help, but his poor defense doesn't limit what tier of team we would be. It can certainly become an issue in the playoffs and matching up, but that's a different story.

Now of course I don't think even the most staunch Jamal supporters are closing their eyes to the reality that the main issue with him is that he's mainly one dimensional in how he can impact a team. He's a scorer and shooter, he's not a defender, not going to do much on the glass, not going to be a consistent playmaker. Secondly, he can be shut down by solid defense, and lastly he is inconsistent from game to game, series to series (every player has inconsistencies, but the problem with a guy who only scores, especially primarily from outside is that they don't have something they can bring consistently because if there is one thing that can come and go, it is shooting and scoring). You can attack the glass every game, you can put defensive energy every game, you can always look to bring shot creating for others, but sometimes your scoring won't be there, and Jamal can't be counted on to do anything else sufficiently during those times.

The problem becomes that when Jamal isn't scoring, he's still shooting, and he's just missing a lot, but unlike other players (which is what separates All-Stars and beyond and a guy like Jamal), he doesn't have the wherewithal to contribute positively in other areas on a consistent basis when he scoring isn't working. What you then get is a player who is just taking and missing a lot of shots and producing nothing else and therefore becoming a net negative. It is why two years in a row in critical game 6's, since he didn't start off hot, two different coaches sent him to the bench (<15 mins both times). The reason is they know that if Jamal isn't scoring, he's bringing nothing else, and in such critical games, a coach is hard pressed to play the "hope he gets hot" game because even if he gets hot, his previous missing and bringing nothing else before might just end up giving you a net zero balance.

Anyways, I'm assuming you mean roll of the dice as to which Ariza shows up? That's always a reasonable worry. You mean New Orleans Ariza vs Washington Ariza? Well one thing is that every version of Ariza is a high level defender, it's the shooting that we can't be sure about.

Now of course, to Ariza's support, it wasn't just one season of good shooting, he has progressively improved over four seasons. He's made 39% of his last 651 three's over two seasons and it hasn't just been 3PT shooting, his overall shooting has improved.

A career 69.8% FT shooter has shot 78.1% FT over his last 3 seasons / 390 FTA. His FG% between 16 feet and 3PT went up to 41.9% the last two seasons from a career 35.5%. So in culmination, it all points to a guy who has improved as a shooter progressively as his career has gone on.

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Kinda sucks that not much free agency talk has been happening .... I know Doc and co are doing their best.... But I really don't want to end up with Gomer and Foye lol

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Ugh too bad. I'm sure now we will start season with barnes starting again which blows:

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LMFAO... Sad part is I think you are right. But we shall hope and see... Let me get this str8... No on Lebron (given), No on Melo (given), No on Deng (probably going to dallas), No on Ariza (Probably re-signing with Washington), Sefolosha? ... Havn't seen anything really serious about that anywhere.. just (interest)... Paul Pierce? I guess we'll just have to hope and see... I don't see anyone else. coming here now. Am I being a Debby downer? Who starts???? Paul Pierce or Matt Barnes? That is if we get Paul Pierce... Where is Danny Granger going? Lets pick up Iman Shumpert and Sefolosha... that would be some nice defense Smile

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Just pencil us in for another first or second round exit if Barnes is still in the starting lineup this year. Don't even bother getting your hopes up for this team.

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Says the guy who had such high hopes about getting LeBron which was virtually impossible. All these other guys you want, are not game changers and are of our range. How about we make realistic goals in FA so you don't get let down...Like thinking we could get LeBron. lol

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There's a huge gulf between not getting LeBron and going into next season with Barnes starting. You know this but as always, you just like to troll and argue.

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That's not what i was arguing. You basically told another poster not to get his hopes up when you actually believed we could get LeBronze. I just found it odd you would say that when you never followed your own advice. It's you that has been trolling with your constant negativity. From the Sterling situation to the Clippers, all you find is negativity. Not only have you been negative, you've been wrong every step of the way.

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He's the best of the rest I guess but Ariza is overrated. Contract year all-star. Even at midlevel I don't think he's a good value.

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Overrated? Sure, but compared to the alternative of another wasted season of Barnes/Dudley, he looks like the GOAT small forward.

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Once again arguing just to argue. I felt we had a chance UNTIL Wade went against his best interests and opted out for a pay cut. Funny how when I'm positive about something, I get bashed, but when I'm negative, I still get bashed.

On the other hand, regardless of what happens with LeBron, our biggest need going into this offseason has been to upgrade our starting small forward position because Dudley/Barnes simply aren't going to cut it. These are separate issues. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter to me that much who's playing small forward as long as they're demonstrably better than the two bums we currently have at the position.

As for always being wrong, last I checked, you were one of the people calling anyone who thought Sterling's comments would be a big deal "Chicken Littles." A huge media controversy, a potential sale and an ongoing court case later, you still haven't owned up. Last I checked, you also harp on our limited cap space but then at the same time think it's a good idea to overpay Collison while not addressing the biggest holes on our roster. If your takes are what constitutes being "right" then I always want to be "wrong."

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Charlie Finley, owner of the Oakland A's said they should let all major league baseball players become free agents every year. Nobody on a contract more that one year. The great and consistent ones would make huge money and the others would have to find a place.

I wish we could do that with Ariza. I always distrust a guy who has his best years in contract years and then produced poorly otherwise. With Ariza we can only hope the culture of Blake and CP3 rubs off on him.

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Do you guys really want Ariza on this team in 4 years?

Before then JBJ (if signs 2yr deal), KD, Kawhi, Gasol, Noah, Westbrook, Ibaka, Aldridge, and Bradley Beal will be available.

We can't tie up our hands with Ariza. We have a shot at atleast 1 of those players.

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We are not out of this just yet

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I do not want him on the team for 2 years. We can do better, Ariza is fools gold.

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