Trevor Ariza Signs with Rockets 4 Years $32 Million (P. 3)

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toohipcliptoslip
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Pierce has a couple of years in the tank, Dudley doesn't have an expiring contract and sucked stump water. Dudley has to be packaged with a pick. NJ doesn't want him. Nobody does. LBJ is going to Cleveland. We don't have young guns we have untried players at SG. Crawford is streaky. If we had a second unit with offense we wouldn't need him to iso and chuck to bail us out. He's also getting old. Bullock is hurt and didn't play a lot. If he were that good he would have gotten minutes. If we have a forward who will take MLE we're OK. The two SF's we WANT ART $9 MILL +.They're not worth it. Paul and Matt are our best on ball defenders but DJ doesn't protect the rim that well. Try as he may BG has short arms. There is nobody on our second squad who can defend. Losing Collison (and Bledsoe) nobody can defend small quick guards. Hawes in not a great defender. For some reason it seems Granger wasn't on the radar. We are close to being capped out except for our exceptions. Hawes can give us some points and Farmar is so-so. Having faith in Doc means little when there's nothing there in our price range. We also need a PF. WE should have made a push for Livingston but he got a good payday (Happy for you Shaun). If we dump JJ we have no three point treats. Jamal can disappear.

The long and short. We got problems. If this were five years ago we'd just pay Ariza or Deng and screw the cap but it ain't. If we could dump salary next year it might be worth it to pay them a lot but we can't. Bottom line - Dudley screwed the pooch. Dudley and Jamal for a SF Maybe throw in a pick Ariza or Deng (in my dreams) Ben Gordon MLE but he's signed. Would that we could get Tayshaun Prince's expiring contract $7 miill+ fat chance

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Keep Hope Alive

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Reunite them lol come on clips

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Ariza not worth what he's asking for is the problem I have with ole boy.

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I checked. Its all gone. We probably just traded him , and we will probably fine out tomorrow. If it means Ariza , I hate to see him go. All speculation right now. We'll see ....

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Peobay not for Ariza right?

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If Jamal is traded. Where to? Cavs, bkn, denver or ???

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Even if he was told he's going to be traded, it it seems a little odd to rid himself of the Clippers instantly.

I would say its likely that we trade Jamal at some point, not because of this, but because he's our most valuable trading chip right now and we are loaded at the SG spot.

It is weird though.

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If I'm trading Jamal Crawford it would be to Denver. Crawford,Barnes,dudley and a pick for Aaron afflalo, Wilson chandler, and Darrell arthur

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Who other than redick or willcox? Not really loaded. Willcox might not pan out. I would trade jamal for a small forward

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Bullock. Also Chris usually likes to have another PG on the floor with him, so I'm sure Farmar will take up 7+mpg as a SG throughout the season.

Also Barnes can play SG, but only if we are desperate.

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right now everyone is not worth what they want, all these guys behind melo/bosh/lebron want to be paid, thing is these guys will get their contracts and someone is going to miss out, take a guess who that is going to be...

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crawford is a talent and is someone that most teams would want to trade for..

sad to see him go,

he is a special kind of player...very talented and kind and professional...

would be great if he goes into coaching after he retires...

I think we have to trade him to get a better starting 5 on the court...

sad but true..

if you are traded...we will miss you in los angeles.. Smile

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Seems as if something is imminent

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can't get the tweet to post right but he's talking to john wall tonight

"@John_Wall: @JCrossover bet and I'll let u know bro...u already know !!"--u always been 100. Preciate u lil bro!

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It all points to a Crawford-Ariza trade w/ fillers. As Kyle said though, could all be just speculation.

toohipcliptoslip
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We are loaded at SG spot? We have JJ and Reggie who played scattered minutes then a sink hole-- an almost rookie? We're not loaded at any spot.

#5 DJ Hawes OK

#4 Blake ??

#3 Matt, Dudley - one is going.

#2 JJ, Jamal, and Bullock is untried. Jamal may go and he is our most favorable chip.

#1 Paul, Farmar

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Don't forget Wilcox to make it 4 SG.

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don't get me excited! Very Happy

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Jamal had maybe his best years with us because he had to carry the bench offense and bail us out. A lot of teams wouldn't want him. He ain't Ray Allen or even Korver. If our offense didn't break down I'd rather have them.The problem is that he's undependable. I'd like to keep him and dump Dudley but JC may be on the decline. Who knows. He also let it be known that without a contract extension he would be gone. Best get something for him now.

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"No rookies on the wood" Don Nelson

Wilcox isn't even a rookie. He's a draft pick. He's not a SG or anything else yet. It's folly to expect anything from him. Jamal is history. We have JJ and ???. Nobody knows what Reggie can do. He certainly didn't get a lot of minutes.

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I hope it isn't a spencer hawes Trade with crawford. I don't know his salary.

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Like I have said before, I found it odd that Ariza has not committed to going back to the Wizards , as Marcin Gortat did , just yet. There is 2 ways this can happen....

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Bobcats = Hornets DONT GRILL ME ABOUT THAT

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lol Kyle, you are one busy boy with the trade scenarios. The last one was mind boggling to say the least but I'm glad there are people that keep up with the details. I can't begin to think how confusing it must be for Larry Coon to keep track of all the stuff allowable in the NBA after the new CBS rules have been put in place.

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JC still has a lot of value though especially in cases like Cleveland and Washington where Deng and Ariza are most likely leaning towards leaving. Sure, you wouldn't want to willingly trade a player like Deng or or Ariza for Crawford, but in the event that they're gone anyway at least get something in return. Perhaps as the time goes on they will warm up to that idea.

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I checked. Its all gone. We probably just traded him , and we will probably fine out tomorrow. If it means Ariza , I hate to see him go. All speculation right now. We'll see
Jamal is notorious for being passive aggressive in his tweets. Last year he did the same thing when we acquired JJ Redick. He felt as if we shouldn't have even gotten Redick because he wanted the starters position. Then his pictures showed him in a Hawks uni rather than his clippers gear. I hope he has been traded, but if we are using only....

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If LeBron goes to Cleveland, it eliminates another option for Ariza

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Caps is right that we are loaded at SG, but without Jamal we are not. Few teams have two SG's that can scorer about 20 pts/36 each. The actual problem is that we aren't balanced at the wing positions altogether. Balance in terms of having a guy that can defend at a high level in addition to scorers. Jamal is the piece that can get this team that player. The other problem is that a healthy Redick (which he had been in prior years) poses a problem with minutes without using Jamal at SF.

Redick healthy is playing 28-29 mpg, are you really only going to play Jamal 19-20 mpg? You can, but he won't be as happy, so it means you're playing him at SF another 7-8 mpg or at PG. SF obviously we know it sucks on defense and rebounding and PG he hates the position.

Our problem at SG is that we have two offensive SG's and two one position SG's so we aren't balanced, and minutes are harder to split since they are both players that arguably deserve at least 27-28 mpg and there is only 48 minutes in a game. If Redick or Jamal was 6'7 with length and a two position player, we alleviate an issue because then Jamal could be your backup SG/SF, or the other way, Jamal your backup SG only, but Redick slides to SF when Jamal comes in and your SF goes to the bench.

That wouldn't eliminate the need for a defender at one of the wing positions, but it makes more sense in terms of minutes and rotations.

I don't know what is happening, but a Jamal trade is fine. He's a skilled player that will have value to certain teams, and has value to this team, but not over a two way wing player, so hopefully that is the return if he's actually being moved. Still, in the end, he's generally a slightly negative defender, and a slightly positive offensive player. So he balances about average in his impact as a player.

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Yay and no Ariza

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still don't get why the thought process most always starts w/our or his offense.... what happens come playoff time ?? can we please keep Jamal and move Reddick and Jared.... JJ is just too big of a contract for what he offers.... he needs to be moved, and that's not to mention his health as of late....

would rather start w/Willie's D and have Jamal available if and when we need that shot in the arm, and.... have Ariza.... we have to have someone to defend KD and LBJ, end of story, and.... Green can at least hold his own defensively w/the off guards on the championship contenders, which is what we wish to be, right ??

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Ok first of all, willie green plays for the magic now. Second of all, redick offensively brings off the ball movement which is so important to a half court offense. He fits way better and makes us a better team. He's also younger. Crawford is the one to move to upgrade at the 3. His immaturity is coming through; I've been saying since last summer he was going to be a problem. He is done with the clippers clearly, we need to move him before he actually becomes toxic on the court.

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Passive aggressive is good,I prefer to label him as "i am taking my ball and going home" kind of guy. This is same old same old to me,Jamal being sort of a child when his name comes up in trade talk, then when he stays he is so happy to be a Clipper.

I just try not to think about it because it just doesn't matter what I think or want,I do not run the Clippers and they are not calling and asking me for input so it is one less worry for me. I play with the cards we are dealt when the season starts,then I start the whining!

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I hate to rain on your parade and all of your hard work, but all of this is useless because Brendan Haywood is already on the Cavs and they are trying to unload him...not sign him.

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So he just got traded. There. I missed that. My bad.

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Jamal is notorious for being passive aggressive in his tweets. Last year he did the same thing when we acquired JJ Redick. He felt as if we shouldn't have even gotten Redick because he wanted the starters position. Then his pictures showed him in a Hawks uni rather than his clippers gear. I hope he has been traded, but if we are using only his profile content then it may simply be that he is offended because his name is yet again in trade rumors. Either way too early to tell.
Correction fans are notorious for overreacting to....

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sure seems like LeBron is heading to Cleveland, and that Melo is staying in NY.... who's our comp for Ariza now ??

and my bad w/Willie signing w/Orlando.... knew he hadn't been resigned, but didn't hear he was def no longer w/Clipps.

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I still think Jamal is on the move , with us meeting with Dahntay Jones. I hope it's for Ariza. FINGERS CROSSED ....

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Dahntay Jones would be a terrible signing

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I seriously doubt the wizards are gonna sign and trade ariza to the clippers,we have no players they would want. They have no need for Crawford when they have Bradley heal. Without ariza their biggest need is small forward too. Plus I don't trust ariza game, he only plays well when he is in a contract year

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OMG. He's inconsitstent. He only shows up on contract years , deng is hurt too much, paul pierce is too old, deng has too much milage,

We need to stop complaing. Any of those guys would be an upgrade and better than what we have right now.

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Sadly, even non-contract-year Ariza would probably **** all over Dudley.

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Sadly, even non-contract-year Ariza would probably **** all over Dudley.
So TRUE. I am trying to figure out which Chris I trust more. ChrisClips is completely inconsistent and never gives me a definite answer and....

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fullcourt, this recantation has no insight that things are fine with Jamal. All it shows is that he is indeed passive aggressive by claiming things are fine when a reporter is on site then have little fits on twitter. Last years tweets were not ambiguous or blown out of proportion. There was an entire thread on this subject which was well documented by more than just me and a few conspiracy theorists. Sorry not overacting at all. He chooses to take away pictures of himself in a Clippers uniform when his name is up in trade rumors. The tweets are there, his actions are not fabricated, it's your choice to think otherwise.

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Not seeing anything about Dahntay that would make me think he would help us.

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He is a pretty solid defender and can be a good 3 point shooter but now that I think of it we can just plug Reggie Bullock into that role, and he has upside. That is if we don't unload him.

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