Trevor Ariza Signs with Rockets 4 Years $32 Million (P. 5)

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ClippersDA
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I want Ariza!!!!

realbull17
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I Thought Bosh was going to rockets. Now that they will not get. They plan on pursuing T.Ariza as well as the Mavs. Come to LAC Trevor.

itsLuigi
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I hate to say it but i don't think we're getting Ariza or Deng. They'll end up going after the money and end up in Dallas or Miami. We'll probably end up with Pierce or trade for Wilson Chandler or Jeff Green.

realbull17
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we will be only signing scrubs. Sad

itsLuigi
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they're better than having dudley. hopefully he gets traded for one of them.

inventor310
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Jeff Green would be beast! Love his game hustlers mentality strong defender isn't afraid to have the ball in crunch time. I'd be pleased with the clippers offseason if we some how picked him up.

Jerediscool
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First of all we wouldn't be "signing" any of those guys, we'd be trading for them. Second of all these "scrubs" are better than anything we have at SF right now. Stop acting entitled. We didn't have the money or assets to get any of these guys. We've already gotten some solid pieces, lets not act like assh0les about who we're able to get right now.

itsLuigi
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Suns just signed Isaiah Thomas, maybe they'll be more likely to trade us Gerald Green

CapsNClips
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I'm down for Gerald Green at this point, but PHX won't do it unless they get Deng or Ariza.

austin009009
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we can't afford much anymore because we were never able to do the sign and trade for hawes. we didn't save our midlevel

Dunkathon
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Miami's going to get one of the two (probably Deng), and Dallas/Houston will scoop up the other.

Wilson Chandler, anyone?

tense2
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We can still do a S&T or just a plain old trade for someone else.

JQuick32
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It's not entitlement to be disappointed if we can't address our biggest weakness. Hawes and Farmar were good signings, but they don't matter if the rest of the West is still going to thoroughly expose us at the wings.

Jerediscool
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You can't be perfect at every spot on the court bro. Every team has weaknesses. Ours is SF and pretty much only SF. But there are some people on this board who feel like every free agent should be willing to take less money to play with us. That Is silliness.

cleepers
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I'd like to know how the "rest of the West is still going to thoroughly expose" anything. We had the 3rd best record in the entire league, and were it not for a CP3 brain fart, we were coming home for a closeout game against OKC. The only western team that was obviously better than the Clippers were the eventual champions.

Sure, we could use an upgrade at SF... but we're also strong in some areas in which the rest of the conference are weak. That's the way the league works.

CapsNClips
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Exactly. OKC has had SG depth problems for a while now. Houston has many holes. GSW still have a bad bench. SAS has no quality backup Center and they had no backup SF until they drafted Anderson.

We are in a prime spot to win a championship even if we do absolutely nothing else (highly unlikely).

Agent0
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Have to agree here. We can't get a star or close to star at every position and can't balk at the idea of filling a position with a player that fits and compliments the roster even if they aren't great and are just a role player. You give them a short non-guaranteed contract and look to improve in a future season.

Let's just look at a lot of the guys people had ideas about getting. Thabo got $4.2M/year, Vasquez got $6.5M/year, P.J. Tucker got the full MLE, etc, etc. We were expecting some guys who got $4M to take the minimum and some guys who got $5-6+ M to take half the MLE. It's just not reasonable, we're no so special that all players should be expected to just take less money and smaller roles to play for us. The worst is when people turn if on the players with the "well he must no care about winning" as if they have some obligation to take less to play on the Clippers.

We've filled the backup big man role for the forseen future. Maybe we can make a significant upgrade at SF, maybe we can't. If not, then as long as we manage contracts well, next season again, we have the MLE to fill that role, though we will have to consider DJ's contract along with that.

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Clips sign CJ Wilcox

Agent0
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This is where one thing I keep mentioning that people neglect, but it comes into play in building a fairly complete roster under the salary cap. SA doesn't end up needing a quality backup C because playing C, Duncan is basically a top 5 player in the league, and he has the size, length, ability to play C and is a defensive anchor and elite defender at the position. This means SA just needs a quality backup PF (Diaw), or a PF to fill a certain niche (Bonner), and they can just slide Duncan over to C. Having a quality C off the bench would just be a luxury for them, while for a us, it was a need, not a luxury.

It's a great luxury to have a player like Duncan, and due to no fault of our own or Blake's, just genetics, we don't have that because Blake is a PF with the length and defensive game more comparable to a big SF. It's just what it is, so it makes it harder to fill all your roles with quality players. Even with Ginobili, the Spurs kill four birds with one stone, a backup SG, a backup SF, a primary playmaker off the bench and a go to scoring option with the bench unit. Not every team can do that because there are limited players with all those abilities. For example, we have Jamal who is only a backup SG and is a go to scoring option, but can't play a second position and is just not good or comfortable in any extended playmaking role. So while SA can just put a scorer / shooter at PG and doesn't really need another SF or SG off the bench that's good on the roster, we still need a quality backup at SF, and we ideally would like to have a guy on the bench who can create at a fairly decent level. So in comparison to SA, we have about 4 more roles to fill with our complimentary players, and getting players with all those skills start to add up and it becomes harder to build.

That's the value of versatile players in terms of skills who can play multiple positions. This is a salary cap world, and the more roles and positions you can fill with one player, the less money you have to spend on the rest of your roster. Now you can get specialists who just fill holes and you aren't worried because they are situational players and your surround them with guys that cover their weaknesses.

ClippersDA
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It's not that every position has to be filled by a star. It's that they have to be filled by someone that is a competent starter.

toohipcliptoslip
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Maybe Dudley will be his old self next year. Working in the off season. PLEEASE

Agent0
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Yea, but some people seem to expect a little more than might be possible. If we pull something great, awesome, but we're not in a position to expect the team to get something unless they failed. It's not that simple, and I don't believe you are oblivious to that, but some people are a bit too overly demanding.

I'm just saying an Ariza or Deng would be great. A trade for a T.Young or Chandler would be great, but the reality is that for now we might have to settle for just getting a guy who maybe does something we really need better, but isn't necessarily anything special in terms of ability as a player.

B_P6
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Ariza would be great since he is athletic and sound on defense. But why is it so much to ask for Dudley to play solid system defense. And knock down the open 3 that He is fed by camping around the 3 point line. That's all we need him to do. After all. Didn't he have a reputation of a good defender before he got here?

Agent0
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Dudley was a slightly above average overall defender, he made up for his lack of quickness and athletic ability with hustle and smart plays. Dudley last year was clearly much worse than his normal production. It's more likely that he is better next season than that he is worse, that is certainly true.

Clippersfan86
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We will know how how Dudley will play based on if he starts the season chubby again. Pay me millions and I'll keep my body fat at 5-7 percent all year.

B_P6
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Hopefully he can return to some kind of form if we're stuck with him. From what I'm reading doc is working every angle and getting almost nowhere. If Dudley isn't playing smart defense he could at least hit the open 3.. Last year he did neither.

But to stay on topic. Come to L.A. Ariza!!

jarca
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Finger cross. I want to get behind Dudley.

laboy
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dudley is complaining about players taking less to be on a winning team...

he needs to spend more time in the weight room and the court practicing...

If this were russia...he would have been shipped to siberia a long time ago..

maybe we can trade him to a european team for a ball boy?

Scplum
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This is going to take patience. Our best bet at acquiring a quality sf is to wait and see who is released or find a team clearing some salary. I think we need JC and having MB as a back up is someone that would be nice keep as well.

ClipperKyle32
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Lol. OVER analyzing haha just wanted to post this haha

Jerediscool
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I'm pretty sure the tweet was about people expecting players to take less to be on a winning team. not about the players that do it. I don't think anyone in the league cares if someone wants to take under their value, they care about the fans and media saying that they should.

laboy
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he should not tweet at all..

shoot some 3's

read a book...

he is the last guy to be tweeting...

he was not an asset to us last year..

what are we going to do with him this year?

listen to him tweet...

he is not even a starter in the nba..

bench warmer..4 mil for a bench warmer..

better practice dude..

or you will be cleaning up the locker room after the games..

or being part of the half time show..

you can use the trampoline and make dunks..

or practice your juggling..

tense2
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Poet you ain't.

Agent0
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Lol, laboy, I don't even get what point you are trying to make, that was so random

realbull17
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Pau Gasol is going to Chicago via S&T with Lakers. Steve Nash may be included but nothing final.

tense2
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Melo needs to jump on board quick.

Jerediscool
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Uhh you don't listen to tweets.. you read them. And if you don't like his tweets, don't follow him.

Agent0
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He really was a huge disappointment, but he obviously knows that too. If he plays up to his normal capabilities, he's a fairly useful player for our team.

All his mistakes were maginfied because we were all watching him under a microscope, but objectively, even his turnovers that seemed so bad weren't the bad, his shooting while he was starting wasn't that bad, his defense, though he had some bad getting blown by moments wasn't overall that bad, and even his fouling which was higher than it had been in the past was not that bad.

It's just that we expected a guy who could keep level on defense and then be a positive on offense due to the ability to spread the floor as well as his very high efficiency. I do think that if he stays and we plan to use him, offensively it would be good to also get him in some off ball mid-range action coming off screens because he's actually an extremely accurate mid-range shooter. So don't just make him a spot up 3PT shooter.

Nice move by Chicago though, Gasol is quite a nice player, like him a lot.

toohipcliptoslip
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I've got this to say Jamal.

You shouldn't really tweet at all.

Why don't you go and read a book

or practice for an open look?

JC you will never start

and with four million we will part.

If you don't practice you will be

the half time show seen on TV.

Bring us fortune, bring us fame

or locker rooms you'll clean each game.

For you to make the dunking scene

you'll have to use a trampoline.

How's that for juggling words?

TooHip 3:16

JQuick32
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Welp, we're f***ed. Time to hope that either old-ass Pierce plays like he's young again or Dudley experiences a magical career restoration.

FightOnRon
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Meet our new team,basically same as our old team but perhaps a bit slower. But at least a year older

FightOnRon
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On the other hand,it is amazing 2 people did sign you to play for this franchise with the turmoil and soap opera drama going on now.

realbull17
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Chicago has a 3 team trade in the works to get Gasol. Houston is the 3rd team.

Can we get Ariza? We have to fight off Washington.

tense2
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Don't think we'll be on the radar for Ariza. Believe he's headed to the Rockets.

ClipperKyle32
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I STILL HAVE HOPE. HOUSTON NEEDS A PF MORE THAN ANYTHING. IF THEY SNATCH BOOZER. No Ariza

CapsNClips
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Wait, are the Rockets trying to get Boozer?

realbull17
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no. Mike dunleavy.

CapsNClips
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Oh okay, that's not a bad pickup. I wish we could've gotten him.

ClipperKyle32
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Even better

realbull17
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maybe we can still get Ariza. we just wait for everything to play out. i guess.

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