Trevor Ariza Signs with Rockets 4 Years $32 Million (P. 2)

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I wouldn't want to stand pat but hope we can do better.

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Hmmmmmmmmm. Ariza not staying? They already have Webster and Otto at SF.

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Haha, just said the same thing in the other thread. Sefolosha would be a cheaper option for them. Webster and Porter each make $4M, so maybe they are a bit worried about paying $16M for their SF position while having solid, but not any star type player.

You could have a $12M starter and $4M backup if you are spending that money, so they might be thinking Sefolosha at $2-3M makes more sense, and he can play SG too.

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Sefolosha is a shooting guard tho..... why do we think he's our starting SF?

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He's a SG/SF, he can play both equally well for the most part, but of course on a team with Durant you won't play him at SF.

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because clipnation is getting that desperate LEL

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Who else thinks giving Jamal Crawford to the Wiz In a sign in trade for Trevor Ariza is a good idea?

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But he's always been a SG. Always listed as a SG. Never as a forward. He may have filled in at SF just like Crawford did in a three guard line up. He's a SG and it would benefit all of us to realize that. For a 3 and D guy who's only shot the 3 ball good for two seasons, and couldn't even crack the rotation in the playoffs, i just don't get it. I don't get the excitement for this scrub

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I'll bite...me. But I think it well take a little more then Crawford to entice the Wiz.

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I would too but it isn't enough if TA wants 8 mil

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He's 6'7 with a 7'2 wingspan. So yes, he's always played SG being next to Deng, then Durant, but so did Vince for years till he got older and moved to SF and is perfectly fine there. Most of the longer wings are interchangeable at SG/SF. You're getting too worked up about a technicality that doesn't matter on the court, he has the length and ability to to defense SF's, that's what matters.

Him not cracking the rotation is based on the roster. It's the same reason Splitter got less minutes in certain series', matchups and team needs. OKC is a team starving for scoring outside of their main two guys, we aren't that kind of team.

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Agent0: you put this guy at the starting SF spot? bc as of right now we have a back up SF and a backup SG. why do we get him?

BTW, kobe has nearly the same size and length but has never played SF. Just bc he has the size doesn't mean he is a SF. Livingston could have been our SF then and that is just ridiculous

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Well I'm assuming that we are hoping to move some players, so he would fill a role after we make some moves. Right now we still play hims over Dudley as a backup as there is no period in time in which Dudley has been a better defender, though Dudley is a superior shooter.

It isn't possible for us to complete our roster without also making trades, it will be hard to do everything through free agency, and then Sef becomes a cheap fill in as a defensive SG/SF off the bench.

Also in addition, remember than in Chicago when there were actual minutes available at SF he did a 60/40 split of his minutes between SG and SF, but like I said, in OKC, that's not happening with Durant.

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Jamal and maybe CJ Wilcox or Reggie Bullock that is a win win for both teams Wiz get another scorer and more outside shooters and we get a 3 point guy who can play D at the wing position

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Uh oh

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I'm not really sure why you are making this more of a deal than it is, it's just not a big deal, he is a SG/SF. He can get beat strength wise by some SF's, but he can guard them.

Kobe didn't play SF because there was no reason for him to do so, doesn't mean he would be incapable as his older self. When Jordan returned and Rip and Stack were on his team, he played and guarded SF's. Could he have played SF later in his career, sure, but he didn't need to.

Many of the 6'6 - 6'7 wings are interchangeable at SG and SF. Honestly, I'm not really sure what you're so against, his is a cheap pick to fill a role if the role opens up due to player movement and he would be gotten as Redick's backup if Jamal is moved.

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Clipnation is in denial. We are paying 4 players over 70% of our cap and we are desperate to dump our aging elite 6th man who is on a bargain deal instead of realizing that that is its foolish to chase more Dudleys when the real issue is evaluating and reconfiguring the contracts that take up 70%.

This team has chance to bring back the top of the rotation and they will be in the second year in Docs system. If you are not at this point willing to trade DJ,Blake,CP, or JJ well then you are searching for bargains but you don't overpay because next year this team you will deciding which long term direction this team takes and the last you want is albatross contract when you do have some deal friendly contracts .

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The last thing Ill say on this so it can be dead. I'm making a big deal out of it bc half this board is up in arms about how lazy our front office is being and at the same time they're hoping for this dude. Not even shooting for something that would be a dramatic help or fill a role. instead of talking about back ups that we don't need yet, we should be talking about holes that we might fill. Or not talk about anything at all if theres no news coming out. Signing Sefolosha right now seems like a move to make when you're just trying to make a move, unless something else on our teams gets moved. And on that note, I'm done. Sorry if i got carried away with not wanting to sign another gomes/foye/dudley.

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I wonder if we are willing to give Trevor an $8-9mil contrct now that most of our other option are fading away?

Jamal and Barnes should be able to get it done if Trevor makes it known that he wants to leave.

If the Wizards don't budge I'd be willing to throw in a future 1st rounder if they throw in Glen Rice Jr.

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I doubt Ariza wants to play in Cleveland. How could he turn down LA, CP3, Contention, and Doc? Doubt He Does. Hasn't Made Any Type Of Commitment to any team. Met with Clips and Wiz....

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

I doubt Ariza wants to play in Cleveland. How could he turn down LA, CP3, Contention, and Doc? Doubt He Does. Hasn't Made Any Type Of Commitment to any team. Met with Clips and Wiz and Miami in LA. I still have hope we sign him. He is like a mini Lebron in terms of leverage.

He could say I will not return. They who do the Wizards have at SF? A hurt Webster coming off surgery and a rookie in Otto Porter.

If they take Barnes and Dudley , and 1st round draft pick for Ariza. I like it.

I STILL HAVE HOPE

No doubt he wants to play with his buddy CP3 but like any basketball player he wants $$$. I can definitely see a mediocre team like the Cavs overpay for someone like Ariza.

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well we won't be getting him. I bet Rivers already stop calling him. Ariza & deng are greedy. Come lower.

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Ariza and Deng are really trying to cash in, sheesh

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I'm starting to like Marvin Williams as long as we trade Dudley. He can play the 4 on small ball too

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Paul Pierce is asking for $9-10M also, this is too funny.

I've liked Marvin Williams too, size, length, athletic, defense, decent 3PT shooting. I'll also continue to mention that I like Thaddeus Young also in a trade.

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Supply and demand. Someone will overpay.

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how much does he want? 2 arms & 1 leg.

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Take Marvin before Thaddeus:

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/co ... eason=2013

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I don't like Thaddeus as a co-first option, he's not a first option which is what his season last year represented and he won't be a first option here.

If we go to seasons where he was in a proper role, TOV% goes down about 3%, TS% goes up from .512 to about .550. PER goes up 1-2 pts, he was 16.6 last year and 18.4 average the previous three seasons as a lesser option. Ortg goes up from 101 to about 110.

Young is just so much better as a 3rd/4th option than trying to masquerade as a 1st option which he was forced to do on a terrible team. Marvin would be similarly horrible if placed into such a role, actually worse.

If you look at 12-13, though Young had an uncharacteristically terrible 57% FT that year, it paints a different picture when the guy is in a more acceptable role:

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/co ... eason=2012

WP48 is drastically better, as well as POP48, scoring efficiency is better. Wins produced goes to 8.1 compared to his 0.9 this past season. Thaddeus would be horrible for a 1st option role, but an off ball slasher, spot up shooter and finisher near the rim who has length and defends, he's really good.

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Rather have Marvin because it would cost less $ I believe. Plus Marvin has spend more playing time at the SF position then Young who plays most of his time at PF (85%).

Wouldn't be upset at all if we needed up with Young though.

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Marvin is most likely going to get the Full-MLE or atleast close to it. I doubt we can convince him to sign for the minimum. I'd love it though.

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Cavs, Lakers, Mavs, Clips, Wiz, Heat all interested in Trevor Ariza. with Heat picking up Granger, means Ariza as a Heat Option is not likely. Mavs offereing Chandler Parsons an offer sheet as well almost eliminates them. Hopefully....

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No it won't. Even if we go into the season with Barnes and Dudley as our SF's we can always upgrade at the deadline and the waiver wire.

We are already a better team than last year. We've had a full year under Doc to work out the kinks and Blake and DJ are improving rapidly.

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Yeah DJ is definitely expanding his...

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Second year in the system we should certainly be better and continuity is underrated around here

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Shouldn't the offseason reflect the regular season, therefore a successful season makes for a successful offseason. So we can't really have a failure of an offseason till we fail period right... this is exactly why I don't think the FO makes decisions based on their emotions like most of you on here. I'm sure Doc being one of the coaches to have a ring knows what he's doing.

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Never though you'd be able to get Marvin for the min. But whatever it cost it will be less the Ariza, Deng or Young.

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I have a good feeling something is done soon. I feel Ariza and Clippers will be together. I just have a strange feeling a move will be made soon. I feel it in the pi....

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Move will be Ryan Gomes to clippers

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I have the same feeling but its Paul Pierce I see us getting I know he had some interest playing with us last year and him and Doc have had multiple conversations( what about idk) but I'm sure Doc is doing his best to upgrade the wing. Whether it be Pierce or Ariza I'd be pleased with either

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The cost is the one good part about Marvin, though with how he market is, he'll probably get full MLE from someone and probably wants more years. What I like about Young is that he has a player option for 15-16. Now he wanted to opt out if he was still in Philly, so I don't know what he would do on a different team, but if you could re-sign him for 4 years / $32 million, that would be a fairly good deal as he's be 26 I believe.

Of course the problem here is that we'll now have to trade for Williams if we want him and that will require Utah taking someone like Dudley as we won't even think of trading Jamal for him, so he becomes hard to acquire now.

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keep the D.... trade the J.... J.

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I half-arse buy into your theory. I read all these "Clips are interested in XXXX" but no one can tell me how we are to pay for XXXX. As a Dodger fan I can see how,before we had the Guggenheim,we trapped ourselves the same way with deferred salaries and over payment (like for Manny Ramirez and a few others) that cost us the ability to get anyone else because our owner was a cheap MF and made his own salary cap. But of course there are no cap rules but still our Dodger GM found himself..... as we fans called it..........dumpster diving to fill holes because we couldn't afford better players.

I think the CLips are kind of trapped now and these few names being kicked around are just not in our payroll limits now I wouldn't think (I really do ot know). We have to unload someone none of us will want to unload in order to move forward. But for me, I would be angry if the person was wearing 3 or 32..........but after that I do just get it. I would hate to see us have to start anew again with another year with 2/3rds of the team being new,but we may have to...............or go dumpster diving.

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No way we trade JJ. He is going to thrive in our offense next season he's a more pure shooter then any of our guys. He isn't fancy sbout his game but he'll definitely have his defender running in cicles all game trying to keep up with him. I like JJ wouldn't trade him unless we get a great defender and a decent scorer for him like Deng other then that Redick stays

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Yes !!! Couldn't have said it any better

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dj is in his last year of his contract,so he will have to be resigned or traded..

chris paul and blake are the stars..

crawford is first off the bench and holds a lot of value right now..we need a defensive small forward..a starter..

so cwawford can be traded..dudley too..

maybe even jj...just because he makes almost 7 mil..

we have 2 young guns for shooting guards....and they play for cheap..

we are okay with the cap...just need to make the numbers work..

we are close to having a great team...hopefully doc can make it happen this year..

dj and crawford for king james is good,

or jj and dudley for pierce is good..

jj was great on the offense..when he was healthy but not so good on the defense...

we need more defense...

offense...we were scoring 107 points a game...

we need a defensive team for the playoffs..

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I'm gonna wake up tomorrow morning and there's gonna be news that we traded Jamal and a 1st round pick for Trevor Ariza.

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I don't see Ariza in LAC uniform. He wants to get PAID. MLE isn't enough. He want 9 to 11 mil a year. Sad

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