Clippers Sign Spencer Hawes to 4 Years 23 Million (P. 5)

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CapsNClips
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Holy cow! The Spencer Hawes signing is looking better and better with each passing day.

Agent0
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Jordan Hill is pretty good, I think if he stays healthy and starts, we won't really think too poorly about that contract. When teams give short contracts, they generally have to up the yearly amount, so it is giving him 2 years at $9M/year vs let's say 4 years at $7-8M/year.

His per 36 this past season:

16.7 PPG / 12.8 RPG / 1.5 BPG / 1.8 TPG / 68.5% FT / 4.1 FPG / .579 TS% / 19.3 PER

He only played 29 games the season before, but he did 15/13/1.5/.533 TS% and 18.3 PER

He had that rate of production over 1500 minutes, so that suggests that given similar opportunities he produces similarly, as it was a good sample size and he doesn't have stamina issues, or an excessive fouling issues (4.1 / 36 is not that bad). In his 4258 career minutes he has per 36 numbers of 15/12/1.5/.546 TS%. Basically it is like DJ with more offensive skill who hits almost 70% of his FT's and he's only turning 27 years old.

MLE was already a stretch for getting him, teams just aren't oblivious to player production, and you know analytics teams have scouted his situational production, looked at his rate of production, his efficiency, the fact that in recent years his scoring rate increased, efficiency increased and foul rate dropped and he's had a high rebound rate his whole career. Amir Johnson got 5 years / $30M after averaging 6/5/1 in 17.7 mpg. DJ got his contract after averaging 7/7/2 in 26 mpg which was his first season playing >20 MPG.

Lakers actually did a great job with the shorter contract because they don't handicap themselves. An extra $2M to spend on another FA isn't going to change what level of team they are, so now they get a year to evaluate and see if he's worth $9M a year, if he is, great, you extend him and you basically have a 15-17 PPG / 11-13 RPG / 1.5+ BPG and high efficiency PF/C. If he's not so great, and even then it's not like he's be terrible, maybe he's a 13/10/1.5 player per 36 while playing 31 MPG instead. If that is him, then you re-evaluate, maybe you want to extend him, maybe you don't, but he's expiring, so he's tradeable.

clip49
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The Clippers did a great job getting Hawes and Farmar in the off season.

A defensive SF would have been nice.

But the Clippers are in the race with Spurs, Thunder, GSW, and Mavs.

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I've changed my mind on this signing. We needed to round out the starting lineup with a real small forward before addressing the bench.

CapsNClips
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No we didn't. You didn't watch a single Clipper game last year if you actually think or backup bigs weren't the biggest problem.

Atleast Barnes was average offensively and above average defensively. Our backup bigs were so beyond trash we ended up playing Dudley at the PF spot.

Stop crying. We are going to win a championship regardless of if you think are team sucks.

slestack11
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I want to add Big Baby and I think we are set with are front court with Blake, Deandre, Hawes, and Baby

JoeClipplet
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I would dig that but what about Ed Davis?

Are we still in talks with Davis?

JQuick32
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Our backup bigs were a problem, but our wings were the biggest problem. Period, end of story.

And guaranteeing a championship? This franchise has never even been past the second round! As a long-suffering fan, I'll believe it when I see it.

ClipperKyle32
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Can't we just take a risk on Emeka Okafor on a Vet Minimum type deal - nonguaranteed or something. Think he could be a steal

CapsNClips
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Okay explain to me how our wings were the biggest problem.

These are the #'s in the playoffs from Big Baby and Ryan Hollins.

Davis: 3.8ppg/2.8rpg/0.7apg

Hollins: 0.6ppg/0.6rpg/0.0apg

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I've explained it plenty of times. In a conference where our starters - the most important unit on the team - are going up against Durant, Parsons, Leonard, Batum, etc. all the time, Matt Barnes' 9 points per game on 43% shooting (9 PPG/42% in the playoffs) isn't going to cut it. Neither is fatass Dudley's 7 points per game on 43% shooting (1.3 PPG/27% in the playoffs). Neither one of them rebound anywhere near enough, and Dudley is a tire fire on defense. In addition to their subpar play, Barnes is useless in a structured offense and is a mental liability, prone to the stupidest technical fouls in crucial moments. Dudley is shockingly lazy and just doesn't care enough about his career to show up in shape. It seems to me that the NBA agrees that Dudley and Barnes are our biggest issue, because no other team wants anything to do with those scrubs.

Yes, we needed better backup bigs. But I'd rather wait on that and address the huge void in our starting lineup. Without any wing defenders or wing scoring, we're hardly any better than last year.

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How did you plan on us waiting for back up bigs?

You do realize no SF's signed until after LeBron announced his decision.

If we would've waited til the 11th to sign Paul Pierce with our MLE, we would've lost out on Hawes, Frye, Kaman, McRoberts...etc and we wouldn't even have the MLE to give any leftover bigs.

Your plan is a terrible plan and it would've bit you in the ass so hard.

I know you probably like to think that Free Agency is a fairy tale where Doc Rivers can just snap his fingers and say "Hey every big man Free Agent, can you please not sign with any team until we get our SF situation taken care of...oh and remember you have take the Vet minimum also, K thanks"

Life doesn't work that way, buddy. And crying about not getting things served to you on a silver platter makes you look like such a spoiled brat.

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Quick... often we agree, but on this one I disagree. Clippers front office is trying their best. As others are telling you, backup big was MUCH bigger issue. SF is the next issue and it just so happens all of the SF's we could use are getting paid money we literally CANNOT afford. Our best course of action at this point may just be to really hope Dudley comes into next season motivated and 30 pounds lighter because we can't afford 8-10 mill a year for a SF.

The improvement of Blake+DJ alone, adding Hawes+Farmar should make the team significantly better. We added two 40+ percent free throw shooters, when only Redick shot that well on our squad from deep last year. The team still needs a defensive minded wing SF, and will keep trying but for now I can honestly say they have given great effort into improving the team. Doc deserves an A for Farmar and Hawes, both perfect fits.

Clipperfan9
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So wish we could've picked up James Johnson. We just need to sign a defensive minded vet-min PF/C and a hard-nosed wing and we're set. Really shouldn't be hard. Plenty of options out there.

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With Chicago picking up Gasol and the euro big draft pick from last year they will need to clear plenty of space which means getting rid of boozer (probably amnesty) and a few others. If there is someone that can help on that team we need to make a descent offer and we can probably get him.

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Spencer Hawes will spread the floor for Blake to work in the pain and force the opposing center to come out of their comfort zone. But Hawes is as soft as a tissue who would rather take a jumper than drive the paint and get any contact.

Clippersfan86
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Yup, very soft. Averaging 8.5 rpg despite being a perimeter scorer mostly also soft..

ClipperKyle32
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Sorry for posting my own tweets. I refused to type again...

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Being hardly any better than last year isn't a bad thing you sound as though you think we sucked. Our wings were not as bad as the backup bigs to argue that they were is just foolish and if we would have had hawes last year against OKC we win that series in 6 games .

Continuity is not bad thing but desperation moves are. Last year with the apparently huge voids we had we took one game on OKC's floor and was in position to grab another before CP's brain freeze. That is not a reason to make drastic changes that is a reason to try and strengthen your team and bank on experience getting you through those situations next spring. DJ,BG,MB,JC,CP have had 19 playoff games together and its only been 13 playoff games for everyone under.

Clippersfan86
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I want somebody to watch that video of Hawes locking up Dwight or answer how he averaged 8.5 rpg from the perimeter and explain how he's "soft". Or are we generalizing white players again? Hawes is a lot like Kaman used to be for us on D. Slow footed, so struggles with athletic face up bigs like Griffin but against legit low post, back to basket bigs these guys are great at holding their ground physically. Under Doc I expect Hawes to step up on D.

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As a Cavs fan I love this signing though he struggles on defense from time to time(slow foot speed but his height can make up for it) his offensive game will shine with CP3.An underrated rebounder that brings vet savvy and a nice pick and pop game.Hawes and Kyrie were a fun duo so I'm sad to see him go.

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Just want to re-iterate how useful this signing can and should be. It's no coincidence that both Vinny and Doc were looking for this kind of player to pair up with Blake/DJ and Paul. It's no coincidence that Pop encouraged Duncan to become more of a pick and pop mid-range shooter as their offense changed from a post-centric one and still plays Bonner and loves Diaw (more reasons than one). It's no coincidence that both Philly and Cavs fans had a similar realization of what a big like Hawes who shoots from outside and doesn't sacrifice size and rebounding can do for your guards who like to get into the paint, and for another big. I think you all already know I've wanted this for some time, so it excites me.

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The season is still young, and Hawes is due for a regression in virtually every conceivable category. That being said, with Brett Brown encouraging Spencer Hawes to eschew the dreaded mid-range jump shot in favor of the three, and with Hawes showing incredible proficiency from deep, driving lanes have opened up considerably for Philadelphia stable of dribble penetration guards.

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As such, Hawes turned himself into a useful offensive player. His ability to drag centers away from the basket was very helpful for Kyrie Irving, Dion Waiters and the rest of Cleveland's attack. He shot a career-high 42 percent on three-pointers last year, including a scorching 45 percent with Cleveland. He's very good at rubbing off a high screen quickly and popping back before his defender can retreat back to him. If that man closes out hard, Hawes has an awkward, but effective off-the-dribble game and is a creative passer, both on the move and stationary. He forces teams to send a third man from the wing to account for him, which can lead to breakdowns elsewhere

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/6/18 ... gents-2014

Don't get me wrong, he hasn't shown himself to be a high level defender and that will be something to keep an eye on, but there are a lot of things he does on offense that this team has been crying for, and I mean things that don't show up on stats. Just having to be guarded out so far as a big man, if that gives 1-2 more less contested baskets at the rim for Blake a game, that's a big deal.

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Tbh defensively I don't think he is worse than guys like Hollins who commits a foul on every defensive possession while he gives much more value offensively. He will help us greatly offensively. If he can be a net zero or slightly net positive defender that is gravy.

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I've watched enough of Spencer to assure you that he is easily twice the overall defender Hollins is. He's kind of like JJ is defensively: Lacks elite quickness/athleticism, but is smart, nearly always in the right place, and good at applying pressure without getting a foul called.

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this signing tickles me all kinds of pink.

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