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Crawford has become a subject of sign-and-trade discussions with the Clippers, who have inquired about working deals for several potential free agents, including Cleveland's Luol Deng and Spencer Hawes, sources told Yahoo. ....

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Hope he gets the extension...with another team.

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Perfect excuse now to trade him for a SF or backup big. He's going to be 34 this year. No extension please. Unless it's for minimum.

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I hope we actually do that sign and trade deal for Deng. If we're giving up Jamal, it should be for a defensive minded wing player like Deng.

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Paul

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Deng

Griffin

DJ

Would be a BEASTLY starting 5. Then you have Davis+Hawes off the bench which would be stellar. Then we just need 1 more wing like Sefalosha for D.

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Crawford has been incredible for us.He silenced everyone who hated the signing.Great player,teammate,and person but giving him an extension at his age is way too risky.Don't necessarily have to worry about this now but I don't see us giving him the extension he wants.He did out perform the contract he got but him and his agent have to remember the risk we took when we signed him after that awful year in Portland.Most teams were writing him off and we gave him his opportunity to redeem himself.

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Question. Are the Cavs actually interested in the sign and trade for Jamal though?

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Dream Scenario. @Chrisclipsla: Doc has been shopping Crawford all week...Yea your not getting a extension bro I hate to trade Jamal , but if he is feeling undervalued now because of how Meeks and others are getting....

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This was tweeted out a day before Woj.

I think he definitely knows someone in the org.

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ClippersDA
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This guy is deluded.

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CapsNClips wrote:

This was tweeted out a day before Woj.

I think he definitely knows someone in the org.

Or maybe it's just obvious. lol

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If we use Jamal in a sign and trade for Deng, we can offer a max starting salary of $6.54M, that's a huge bargain that I'm not sure is realistic. At least one of Deng's suitors should be able to give him $9-10M. Secondly, why does Cleveland want Jamal?

Kyrie Irving / Dion Waiters / Jarrett Jack

There's no minutes for a 4th guard who is going to be playing 25+ MPG. I mean maybe they do it because their GM is dumb, but certainly no smart GM just takes on $5.4M in contract of a player they don't need just to help another team get better.

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Personal opinion, I feel like Jamal did this in light of current Clippers off season acquisition problems. I know it's a business, but there's also a human element... He loves his Clippers teammates like his own family, so much so, that he would do anything for the betterment of it....even inconspicously ask for a trade via "I want an extension next summer" aka "trade me now since I have a good value"

He's giving us the opportunity

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I want to keep Crawford. They can have barnes & dudley. Rivers have been actively shopping them.

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You are net titled to your union...but no way. He truly sees himself as having more value than he has. The guy is like a senior citizen in the nba and is a journeyman for a reason. If anything, he is discouraging teams from agreeing to take him back. No way we extend him.

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Jamal has been terrific, though not sure about an extension- not sure where the $ is going to come from. 2 years, $11 mil left on the contract is a pretty darn good deal for the #'s (18.5 PPG) he puts up. Just comparing by PPG, you look at Gordon Hayward with 16.2, and the Cavs are prepping a max contract for him??? Ridiculous.

Extend Jamal and then trade him for Spencer Hawes who would be a back up center sounds strange, unless there are plans to do the same with DeAndre Jordan (perhaps for Deng) as well? Question is, however, would the new lineup/rotation be better than what it was?

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Every team can have Barnes and Dudley for a better player, the question is how many teams WANT both Barnes and Dudley's contracts. I mean most teams aren't really trying to add two SF's to their team.

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Although nothing has officially been said, it's very well known that the Cavs would like to get rid of Waiters. He and Kyrie don't get along.

Jamal would be great for a young team hoping to make the playoffs, and no I am not just saying that because I want Deng.

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Exactly Jamal asking for a extension is not bad thing he's made it clear he would like to retire a clipper. He Is outperformed his contract and has actually been outstanding since he is been here. Instead of picking up his team option at 5.6 after next season he simply gets a 2 year 13 million dollar deal with a team option for a third. I think its extremely hard for us to do because of the current situation and next offseason will see the retooling of the core if we don't make a conference finals.

I would love to get Deng for Jamal but I think that would have to involve a 3rd team because the cavs don't really need him .

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Actually you are devaluing him more than he is overvaluing himself. His numbers speak for themselves to say that a 34 year old guard that still produces at high level doesn't get contract extensions is ridiculous regardless of how you feel about jamal. journeyman for a reason? what does that even mean? that is your bias and has nothing to do with his value? 34 yr old perimeter players don't get 5 years extensions but 2 years extensions are almost always in the cards if they can still produce.

Don't pick up the final year and give him a new 2 year deal at 1-2 mil more per year than he was making. That Is nothing in the NBA on a short term contract for productive players.

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And kill our cap space even more? For a one dimensional soon to be middle aged guard who plays no defense? Some other team can do that. This is a business, sentiment cannot rule the day. I've never seen anyone take it so personally. It's a business. Not to mention it was a different regime when they signed him, doc inherited him and is now in charge.

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Agreed! This is exactly why I think he purposely gave us a reason to trade him tonight

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I doubt he is being altruistic. As I said, it is business.

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And he knows that, no harm done.

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How would giving jamal one more year kill our cap space even more when we are already over the cap because we have 70% of the cap tied up in the contracts of JJ,Dj,Blake and CP? Again he does play defense and he certainly more than one dimensional again your bias does not equal nba sentiment.

It has nothing to do with different regimes and I didn't even say we should give jamal the extension I said his request was not in any way unreasonable as he performed well beyond expectations while he was here regardless of your bias you can't cover up the facts. There is no reason to vilify the guy for a request he is certainly earned the right to make even if we can't oblige him.

The claim that keeping jamal one more year would ruin our cap is ridiculous we are already capped out.

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I have a few issues with him aside from the ones stated (one dimensional, old guard who is allergic to defense).

For one thing, every off season he expresses apprehension or bitterness on twitter that is obviously a veiled message to the fans about his feelings about the front office. That is immature, especially for someone like him who is old enough to know better. He sounds like a whiner and suggests that he is a bit of a problem and headache.

He seems like a nice guy, but he always acts like he is on par with blake and Chris and I don't like how he takes over In Fourth quarters. Blake will never take that leap until the ball is in his hands in winning time.

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We won't be next year when DJ comes off the books. And if I am so biased, why does there not seem to be a trade market for him? Because he is a one dimensional player. And he is old by nba standards. Also, I'm not a fan of his game. It isn't personal, on the whole he seems like a great great guy with a good story (so was caron), but he doesn't fit the team going forward.

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Jamal... I just don't know. He was great when he was great and he was terrible when he was terrible... I don't think he was consistent enough.

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DUDE!! you and I have the same brain right now. I was just thinking this exact same thing as I was reading over all the comments. Turn the problem into a known positive in the locker room. We end up with a good young talent who's also a great shooter, like Doc likes

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That's something to monitor, though I'm not sure that will be imminent enough to facilitate what we want. I think if I'm them and I'm moving Waiters, I slide Wiggins to SG, and since Deng seems uninterested in going back to them, I go after a SF like Chandler Parsons or Gordon Hayward with my cap space and let Deng walk. They do also have Karasev as a SG/SF too, their need is at C.

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We can do without him and his horrid defense. Trade him while his value is high. We need a 3 and D SF.

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How about he learns how to play defense, rebound and not be useless in the playoffs before asking for a big-money extension?

TBH, we could easily do without his fools' gold regular-season-only play.

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I wouldn't want to extend Jamals contract personally, but it's funny how quick people on this forum forget. If it wasn't for Jamal we wouldn't even be 3rd seed in playoffs. Cp3 goes down for 5 weeks and Blake and Jamal were the only ones doing anything.

There is a reason Jamal got 6th man of the year. It's not because he is a nice guy. It's easy to look at a weakness and go "he is one dimensional", which he isn't. He is a natural born scorer yes. He looked good most of the season, def better than anyone else not name Blake nor Cp3. JJ did pretty much nothing this season due to injury, and I have not been impressed with him.

JJ is more one dimensional than Jamal. JJ can't dribble for squat, pass, and when he attempts to get to the paint it is painful to watch. I would hate to see Jamal go, unless it was for a player like Deng, or even Ariza, where our need is a lot bigger.

Making up 18.5 ppg off the bench is no simple task. Even if we get Deng you move barnes to the bench, which kills the bench offense even more. I like Ed Davis, but in reality he averages like 5.7ppg.

You replace Jamal with Sef. and you get better defense from the bench, but scoring will still be a huge problem. Not saying it's not solvable, but it's not as simple as just trading Jamal and our problems will be solved. Arguably it creates more problems.

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Voters are lazy and generally vote for the highest-scoring bench player. Sixth Man is not particularly meaningful.

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Postman, the success of this team can be accounted for on a game by game analysis of any player on this roster. Hell, there were some nights where Dudley was good and was key in a win, which in the end contributed toward the 3rd seeding. Yet despite some of Dudley's huge games he still was a waste of money.

The problem is we were a second round out, and Crawford has a role to play in that as well. Crawford has an amazing ability to use his footwork to elude defenders. He is an excellent iso player that makes the game fun, but in the end his deficiencies on defense and his lack of ball movement are a detriment to the overall outcome of the game.

To boot we are not a team that can afford to have him since we already have a very, very good offensive team. His salary could be used on players that we need, such as defensive minded players. I don't think it's so much people "forget" about what Jamal contributed. Quite the opposite, we also remember his iso plays where he passed up lots of open teammates to dribble the ball for two minutes and make ill advised shots or his lack of defense. We appreciate him, but I think most people now are seeing that he simply does not fit well with this squad, and there are areas we could shore up with his salary.

Keep in mind, we are afraid of tinkering with this roster over a second round out. We should be more than willing to make some major changes to get over that hump.

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Well, he was our second highest scorer on this team so our offense will take a big hit if he leaves. What he's trying to do by going public about what he wants amidst the trade rumors is enough to let him go just on principle but don't be fooled, he will be missed.

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Exactly jamal made no contributions to this team whatsoever

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Who says there is no trade market for him? You? the facts is that Jamal makes MLE how many players are out there producing similarly for that price. You are not a fan which you admit so that is your bias he has little to no value to you and so you apply your views to the fact that the entire league feels that way but hey don't.

By your arguments the only players on our team that are not one dimensional is Blake and CP but I don't see you toss out the shade for anyone else the way you do jamal so yeah you have bias and your posts make it personal for no reason whatsoever

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I hope that was sarcasm. I would hate for Jamal to leave , but to say he did not contribute is asinine. He hit a game changing 3-Pointers to give us a 2 point lead against....

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He certainly didn't contribute at all and in fact hurt the team when his shot wasn't falling. He has no skills other than flashy handles and chucking.

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I take issue with your last line. Nothing I ever said is personal. His tweets are public, and I critique only his game. I can't tell you how many times in two seasons he has forced a bad shot when he had a teammate wide open. At his age, he will never change. I said he seems like a great person. He can go play somewhere else. Wish him the best, but ball stopping guards do not fit this team long term. He shouldn't haven't change his game dramatically to stay. He brings something very specific...instant offense. He belongs on a team that needs it. We don't. We have a lot of guys that can score. I'm entitled to not want the clippers to fall over themselves to appease one player that is more of a luxury and ignore gaping holes at small forward, with our backup bigs, and athleticism on the wing in general. Every sports fan has players they prefer...it's called being a sports fan. This isn't analytics we are discussing.

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It was Very Happy

The thing is for years people cried about Sterling and his cheapness but look they are doing the same thing. We are in a tight financial spot right now and that really is the only reason not to give jamal an extra year so he could retire a Clipper. There is no reason to vilify the only player on the roster who has actually outperformed his contracts. Instead of celebrating a quality person and player actually wanting to finish his career as a Clipper they straight decide to tear him down when its unnecessary.

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Blake griffin has outperformed his contract as well I would say. Players like jamal are great when the shots are falling and painful to have on the team when they aren't just because he offers so little beyond scoring. I can understand both sides, guess it just matters which games of his you remember Wink

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All non superstar players have faults this is why summer kool aid gets teams in trouble. Its not about which games you remember its why would anyone try and act as if that only applies to Jamal? IMO the same thing can be said about every player in the nba making under 10 mil a year and some that make more than that.

I don't get how people can say a player has no value because he has bad games from time to time its like saying they've never seen another nba team play.

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The only difference is very few can have such a positive or negative impact on a game like jamal. If his shot isn't falling he is borderline cancer on the court. When his shot is falling he is quite possibly the best scorer in the league. The only other players that is like that IMO is jr smith, he contributes very little in most categories and plays matador defense at best but man when his shot is falling just keep feeding him. These players make teams leery because they are unreliable. Now jamal was a lot more reliable that unreliable last year but he has shown through his career a penchant to just start throwing up bricks.

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^^^Nick young is also like this and to a certain extent Isaiah Thomas and Nate Robinson. These kind of players just don't get big contracts.

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Jamal has been pretty reliable the past two seasons and was reliable in ATl as well even if his shots is not falling he gets to the ft line. the stereotype applied to jamal is basically a exaggeration based not upon the content of work he did this season but about what people believed he was before he arrived here.

88% of Jamal fga were jumpshots

55% of them were assisted

41% come with under 10 seconds

60% of those are assisted

Jamal shot over 300 fta but also broke his own Clippers season single three point record yet somehow people take the 4-5 isolations plays that he ends up running a game and says that is all he does. How many times do you remember someone tossing jamal the ball with the clock winding down and him standing 25 ft from the basket?

Jamal has his flaws but he is been stereotyped to death at this point even Doc himself has said that the perception of who jamal is as a player is not accurate. last year at this time there were dozens of threads about jamals tweets and how he would because JJ and Dudley would take all his minutes and he wanted to start. Jamal and JJ end up being day one best friends.

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Many of the "knocks" against Jamal can be said about any player in the NBA.

Lets review

1. "Hell, there were some nights where Dudley was good and was key in a win"

Really? Comparing Dudley's contribution to Jamal is laughable. I can't think of 1 game where Dudley was "Key" to a win. There were some games where he wasn't God Awful and wasn't a Detriment to the team. A guy putting up 18.5 ppg and was one of the top leading 4th qtr scorers in the entire NBA definitely contributed to more wins when cp3 went down than anybody else not name Blake. That's a fact. Numbers don't lie

2. Jamal... I just don't know. He was great when he was great and he was terrible when he was terrible... I don't think he was consistent enough.

Again this sounds more like repeating what is being said, but not accurate to reality. First off define "Consistent" this is a vague term that can be changed to fit ones argument. 18.5 ppg is a consistent scorer. Inconsistent IMO means you average 13ppg, but have some games where you can score 20 or even 30 a few times, but isn't consistent.

3. He is an excellent iso player that makes the game fun, but in the end his deficiencies on defense and his lack of ball movement are a detriment to the overall outcome of the game.

I see this argument come up which I has some merit. He has serious deficiencies on defense, if he didn't he would be a perennial all-star. Lack of ball movement... Well he averages 3 assists per game, and he played with a bench unit that consisted of Mullens, Jamison, hollins, Barnes/Dudley. Not many places to "Move the ball"

A detriment to the overall outcome to the game? Then how are we 3rd in the west even though Chris paul was out 5 weeks. If he is a detriment to the overall "outcome of the game" then you should be able to replace him with Bullock, and the team gets better. How do I come to this conclusion? Well if those "deficiencies" make him a "net negative" on the outcome of the game then replacing him with someone who can just have a "neutral" effect will make this team better.

I find this whole line of thinking absurd.

3. , we also remember his iso plays where he passed up lots of open teammates to dribble the ball for two minutes and make ill advised shots or his lack of defense.

Show me the footage where he passed up lots of "Open" teammates. I watched 81 games out of 82 and every playoff game. But I can tell by the first part of the statement that you aren't going by facts. How can a player be running an "Iso" and have open teammates? That's odd. Only way that happens is if that player demands a double team such as Lebron, Melo, etc... OR you blow by your man during dribble penetration and the bigman has to rotate over and you kick it to the paint... Which Jamal did very well in those instances. Which is how he got many of his assists (remember 3.2 apg). And Jamal rarely got double teamed if ever at all.

If you don't know what I am talking about and go to youtube and look up what an Isolation play is. Then come back to my post.

4. Players like jamal are great when the shots are falling and painful to have on the team when they aren't just because he offers so little beyond scoring

Well that describes 95% of all offensive players (Including Melo). I don't heard anyone say that watching a scorer continually miss shots is a pleasant thing to watch... Show me someone misses shots gracefully? Not sure it matters though because a missed shot is a missed shot.

Ok enough of this lets look at FACTS.

1. Facts: is Jamal Crawford was the 16th leading assistman among all SG's last season. With the exception of 3 all of those guys who averaged more were starters or played more minutes then him.

If we look at bench SG's Crawford is around 3-4. So where is this SG (Especially off the bench) who is throwing all these dimes? Maybe many of you don't understand the fundamental role of shooting guard especially one coming off the bench?

2. Jamal is the 6th highest scoring Shooting guard in the league PERIOD.

Not to mention 1-5 are starters and and play more minutes. If we went to per 48 he would be #2... With only James Harden ahead of him.

I could go on, but I'm out of time. I'm not sure how anyone in their right mind thinks replacing the the #6 scoring SG in the entire (coming off the bench) is easy to replace, and won't create serious scoring issues off the bench.

Although I know most don't even think that deep into it. "Let's just dump Jamal and everything will be better"... - Absurd .

Jamal has strengths and weaknesses like every player in the nba. I'm not sure where this "Magical" ball movement gets stopped when Jamal comes in. Many of the times he starts to ISO we NEED him to do it because no one else is scoring. See game 6 of last series. Jamal was playing well and was 3/5, and made some key baskets. Doc didn't play him, and our offense fell apart the second half and no one could score during stretches. Which is understandable. That's why you need a player that can Iso and score at will.

I'm open for trading Jamal if it makes sense, but trading him just to trade him and not get back a DENG or something similar is foolish.

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