Jamal Crawford Wants Contract Extension (P. 2)

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chonkyfire24
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I really like Jamal and I also think he's been improving his defensive play. Unfortunately he is about the only "asset" the Clippers have to move at the moment. If they did move him I understand why.

SamMays
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I wouldn't extend him. That would make him harder to trade. The way his contract is makes him a valuable piece for the money which will make him attractive for other teams. I think we should trade him.

He's obviously a hugely talented player, but I don't think his game is conducive to winning in a big way. We won because of CP3, Griffin and DJ. We can win without him.

I would put him in a category with Carmelo. He wants to get his more than he wants to win. Both of them stop the flow of the team and require others to stop and watch them while they do their thing. If Carmelo is so good, why were the Knicks so bad? A truly great player, the kind of player you want, makes his team win.

Crawford's defensive lapses hurt us big time in that OKC series; more than most of us realize.

fullcourt
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So Jamal played no part in the team winning games and its his fault we lost the OKC series

SamMays
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That's not exactly what I am saying. His poor defense vs a pick and roll at the end of either game 3 or 4 (I forget which) cost us a chance to win that game. He was simply lazy defensively and didn't step up to extend or switch a guard to guard pick and roll. He sat back in the middle and let Westbrook hit an unguarded three. Any decent high school player would know enough and care enough to step up and defend that shot. He didn't and that is typical of him.

Despite his sometimes incredible offensive runs, he hurts us defensively more than most people realize. Also, much of his offense comes while his teammates stand around and watch him put the ball through his legs. It's great that he can get his own shot late in the shot clock and that helps, but he can be a ball stopper which can also hurt the offense.

He doesn't do the extra things to help a team win The things that Blake and CP3 do, like diving on the floor, coming up with the tough loose balls, picking up charges, sacrificing his game for the good of the team.

As talented as he is, I don't think his game is a great benefit to a team in terms of wins and losses. I never liked him before he got here and I remain skeptical of how much good he actually does for a team. Obviously, a lot of NBA GM's feel the same way because he is well traveled and is never paid the money his stats indicate he should be paid.

clipperboy24
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Repped. It's not that he's not good and doesn't help the team at times. It's that his style of game and offense only mindset is much less crucial to winning than someone who has a good consistent offensive and defensive game.

Icecoldclipper
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We also sw how Jamal has to take those late shots when Paul gets dribble happy or Blake over thinks his moves and the rest of the starters can't create. Jamal has his bad moments no doubt but everyone has and I think he should be given equal credit for the team.

fullcourt
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Right so any decent HS player can play defense in the NBA .

Its his fault that his teammates stand around

His game has no impact on wins but all the impact on losses

You never liked him and this is strictly a unbiased assessment

Obviously a lot of GMs feel the same way you do because he changed teams? and actually has made nearly 80 million dollars career.

ClipperKyle32
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jarca
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Isn't he still under contract for 2 years?

Agent0
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You'd expect his agent to be aware of how contract extensions work, so I'm not even sure about this whole ordeal.

toohipcliptoslip
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Much of the problems with Jamal are two. He's a streaky shooter who is not clutch. He can shoot 10/15 one day and 2/15 the next. He is not a closer.

Second is that he was our only real offensive threat off the bench till Collison stepped it up. His job was to clean up the mess caused by poor offensive execution which means ISO and chuck.. Hollins, Baby, Dudley, Jamal, Collison. He has always been a merdish defender but he himself said that he stepped it up.

SamMays
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First, I'm not saying any decent high schooler could play defense in the NBA. What I am saying is that any decent high schooler would have had the court awareness and interest defensively to step up on that pick. Crawford didn't and it cost us big time. I have been a high school coach for many years and if my kids fail to show on a pick and roll, the way Crawford did, they get taken out of the game. In fact, Doc did take him out on the next dead ball.

Second, guys have always stood around and watched Jamal because he goes into his dribbling shows. They know the ball isn't coming out, that he is going to take some sort of shot, so they have learned to stand and watch. If he goes to the hoop he will sometimes pass, though not often.

Third, he is very helpful at times in getting us wins. His lack of defensive interest also hurts us as well. On a net basis I think he is a plus, but not much of one.

Fourth, I have never liked him as a player for the reasons stated above. I have listened to him many times in interviews and he seems like a great guy with his head on right, but I have never been a fan of his style of play. He plays the game like Kobe, dominating the ball and taking tough shots, but he doesn't do it as well as Kobe and he doesn't defend anywhere near the way Kobe defends.

Obviously, all assessments any of us makes is biased based on our level of understanding of the game and what we like in a player. Jamal is a great talent, but I don't think most NBA GM's perceive him as a winner and someone they really want. These guys talk to each other and Jamal has become a journeyman for a reason. That is, he's not enough of an asset to be someone you want to build around (when he was younger) or keep on your winning team now that he's older.

And the 80-million he's made could have been a lot more if he did more to help his teams win; defend, assist, lead. I'm sure he's not crying about it, although apparently he wants an extension, so maybe he is.

pageC4
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Well put Sam. There is a category of players that Jamal falls under. I'm not sure what you would call them, perhaps "one way players," or "ball stoppers." These are players whose poster child are Carmelo Anthony. They focus on offense only, and sacrifice good ball movement for volume shots.

The teams that have been most successful in the past five years have none of these guys, while the teams that do have them rarely get past the second. As you said he is barely a plus, but when you factor in that salary of his and what it can go to then it really makes you wonder how much he really brings in.

fullcourt
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If any decent HS player cannot play defense in the nba then what they do is irrelevant to discussion and Doc took out plenty of players for missed assignments but he is also been in during some of our biggest runs of the past two seasons as well.

Second, guys have always stood around and watched Jamal because he goes into his dribbling shows. They know the ball isn't coming out, that he is going to take some sort of shot, so they have learned to stand and watch. If he goes to the hoop he will sometimes pass, though not often.

Jamal has a great handle but outside of running out the clock he tends to make quick moves. As I posted earlier 55% of jamals shot attempts were assisted and he passes just fine for a SG off the bench. This is your bias talking as opposed to something grounded in reality of what is actually occurring.

Third, he is very helpful at times in getting us wins. His lack of defensive interest also hurts us as well. On a net basis I think he is a plus, but not much of one.

Ill just take Docs word that jamal's defense has been much approved and that for the most part he's always where he is supposed to be. Does he have his lapses YES just as everyone else does its just that his gets nitpicked more than most by people who don't like him

Fourth, I have never liked him as a player for the reasons stated above. I have listened to him many times in interviews and he seems like a great guy with his head on right, but I have never been a fan of his style of play. He plays the game like Kobe, dominating the ball and taking tough shots, but he doesn't do it as well as Kobe and he doesn't defend anywhere near the way Kobe defends.

Obviously, all assessments any of us makes is biased based on our level of understanding of the game and what we like in a player. Jamal is a great talent, but I don't think most NBA GM's perceive him as a winner and someone they really want. These guys talk to each other and Jamal has become a journeyman for a reason. That is, he's not enough of an asset to be someone you want to build around (when he was younger) or keep on your winning team now that he's older.

And the 80-million he's made could have been a lot more if he did more to help his teams win; defend, assist, lead. I'm sure he's not crying about it, although apparently he wants an extension, so maybe he is.

Crawford doesn't dominate the ball nearly as much as he is called upon to bail out the offense and that is a HUGE difference. Crawford is performing his role as defined by the coach and doing it very well. There is no way he could do what he does without the backing and support of his teammates and coaches.

And now you are mindreading NBA Gms to the point that you believe that if we released Crawford him right now no team that wants to win would want him because they don't think they could win with him?

Crawford played for the Bulls for 4 years and was sign and traded to the knicks where he played a another 4 years

Crawford was traded from the knicks to GS for the sole reason of clearing cap for Lebron as was the reason Z-bo was traded to us

Crawford was traded from GS to the Hawks A. because they already had a slew of guards and took Crawford for Harrington who into it with Don nelson B. because Jamal agreed to drop his player option and become the hawks 6th man

Crawford was great with the hawks but they paid Joe Johnson a 125 million and couldn't afford another big contract on the perimeter. There was also the situation of the the lockout and the fact that the hawks didn't want to do any sign and trades and take back any salary because of their market. Twolves,Pacers,Bulls,all wanted him at the MLE or better but the Hawks wouldn't do a S&T which is ironically the same situation we are running into now with players

Crawford signed with the Blazers for one year hoping to hit free agency again and was considered a steal. he apparently chose the Blazers because he friends with Mcmillan since he was a kid in Seattle, it was close ,to home and one of his best nba friends Aldridge played there as well as one of his best childhood friends Brandon Roy.

So please tell me where is this negative perception that he sucked or no one wanted him? I don't think people understand that a nba journeyman is someone who is signing short term deals doing whatever they takes to stay in the league. Crawford has never been in any danger of being out of the league or playing for the minimum. Jamal Crawford has only been at true free agent twice in his career. Once during the lockout and then the following year when he signed with us

If Jamal was chasing money he could have simply stayed with the Warriors and then used his player option and hit the market back when the biggest guards on the market were Livingston,B. Gordon,D. West,and J.R Smith but he chose to join a playoff team and be the 6th man

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