Clippers Sign Jordan Farmar for 2 Years/$4.2 Million

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Yes - but didn't like it wasn't for vet minimum
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clipper*joe
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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Farmar was kindof a baller last season though.

I'll always remember him as a Laker, but he can be a great pickup for the minimum.

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Even for the 2 million BAE he would be solid. Use most of MLE if not full on a backup big like Ed Davis/Jordan Hill... then use Crawford in a trade to get a starting SF like Wilson Chandler.

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2 million for a injury prone, international player? I'd arther have Collison for the MLE. Collison can impact a game, Jordan can't.

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Collison's production can be nearly replicated by so many cheaper PG's. Much bigger needs have to be addressed. As for Farmar not impacting the game, you may want to look at his stats the last few seasons in the NBA. He's a respectable back up PG. He's not Collison, but for half the price or less.. he can fill in decently well. Remember CP3 plays a good 36 minutes a night. No need for an all star or starting caliber player behind him.

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OK, what PG's can be had cheaper with the same production? What FA's are out there now? As far as Farmar goes, are you counting his time in Turkey cause for a while, nobody wanted him in the NBA. Farmar couldn't stay on the floor last season.

Clippersfan86
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Key word "nearly". Collison put up something like 10/3 off the bench last year. You really think we can't get a PG who can put up say 8/3 off the bench in a motion heavy system with a lot weapons for much cheaper? The league is flooded with decent PG's right now, no need to pay 5+ mill a year for a backup to a superstar. Clippers Achilles has been SF and back up big, not back up PG.

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Farmer is on the smallish side. I have a feeling we will end up simply going with Delonte .

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Ear Jordan!

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So you can't come up with one PG in a flood of PG's in the market? The reason why backup PG hasn't been our Achilles heel is because we had Bledsoe and Collsion. Guess what? They are gone now.

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I wouldn't give Farmar 2 million, but take him for the min.

Devin Harris

Jordan Crawford

Brian Roberts

Beno Udrih

all guys I wouldn't mind for less than DC.

We should just get Jameer Nelson in that case. I'm not serious, but I don't get the point in getting such a good back up that you ideally only want playing 12-15 minutes a night. Especially in the Playoffs.

When I look at the roster, I try to break it up by minutes. I also believe that minutes and money should be split up similarly. If our Shooting Guards are playing up to their salaries you shouldn't need much from the back up point guard.

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The question was:

paying less for the equivalent of what Collison produced. Do those guys produce on par with Collison? Or are those your choices based what thinking they'll get paid 2 million? Ideally, playing 12-15 minutes is pretty spot on but we have a PG who misses 10 games or more a season since he's been here. CP3 missed over 20 games this past season. You really want the PG position that weak considering that backup will be a starter part of the season?

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The chances of us replacing Collison for the vet minimum or even the BAE are slim-to-none.

We can easily find a nice PG for those prices, but Collison was in a whole other category from "nice"

If Collison ends up starting then Sacrememto just got a steal for the MLE.

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The clippers system was perfect for collison he has always struggled as the long term starter. I don't think sacramento made a good choice

JQuick32
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Collison has always sucked as a starter. They're actually downgrading from Isaiah Thomas.

We don't need an amazing backup point guard - what we need is an NBA-quality starting small forward and an NBA-quality backup big.

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I don't think we need to replace Collison as in get a player that is just as good. We need a backup PG good enough to start a couple of games without ruining anything. Collison's impact was limited by being CP's backup, especially in the playoffs, and spending $5.3M on a guy to backup your star and not have a second position is just a tough sell.

If Collison was a 6'4 / 6'5 PG/SG, then you pay him the money because he's backing up two positions for you. As a one position backup behind your best player who is also only a one position player, it's just not worth it.

Farmar isn't actually bad, but his health is the question.

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I'll have to agree with JQuick and DA about Collison as a starter. He consistently had issues with feeding the post and defense (size, and overplaying and getting bear) as a starter with his previous teams. He has yet to show that he can be a long term starter for a team, he's not a better player than Thomas though.

He's an okay starter, very good backup, but at the bottom of starting PG's in he league. We're talking Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Dragic, Rose*, Conley, Lawson, Lillard, Lowry, Wall, Teague, Rondo, Irving, Rubio, Holiday, production wise, Thomas, Kemba and Lin tbh, and even Deron still, and probably someone I'm missing as the top 20 or so guys. Collison is lumped in with Calderon, Knight, Jennings, Beverly, Hill, Chalmers, and the young guys MCW.

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Jordan Farmar is a pretty solid player when healthy, but unfortunately he can't seem to stay that way. He played only 41 games last season with the Lakers. Chris Paul isn't exactly Mr. Ironman either, so a third PG is certainly needed if the Clippers do sign Farmar for the minimum.

ClipperKyle32
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Why don't we just go ahead and re-sign Sasha Vujacic , Lamar Odom, and Wesley Johnson or Xavier Henry. We already have Matt Barnes

Farmar

Vujacic

Johnson

Barnes

Odom

Come On Now! Lets sign Paul Pierce to start that way Doc can recreate his Celtic Finals team and have the Lakers he beat in his bench. I know most of them didn't play again Doc then.

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Speaking of past guys wonder if Brand and Kaman are interested coming back for cheap with Sterling gone. Have Ed Davis be the third big and those two as vet support.

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Yet another ex Laker

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I was thinking min for Jordan, and Roberts. Probably have to give 2 for Devin but I like Devin and think he would end up being better than DC for what we need. Beno is a kind of a mystery but I think he is probably the safest pick of the 4. He is a decent shooter, decent passer, and he was actually playing ok in the playoffs for Memphis last year.

I don't think it's that weak. There was a few of us that thought the same thing going from Bled to DC. Guys like Agent0 had to remind us that we are talking about the back up point guard position.

If CP3 goes down I think we can make due as long as it's not during the playoffs.

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...and if it during the playoffs we'll lose anyways if DC was our starting PG, so it doesn't even make a real difference then.

We still have Delonte West as an option don't we?

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Yep- Farmar + West wouldn't be a bad back-duo. They can duke it out during training camp to see who gets the first call off the bench.

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Yes and not much of a drop off offensively from DC, but much better defensively IF he's right (the big IF). Vets min is a winner too.

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For the minimum I'll take Farmar.Anything more than that I wouldn't.I still think Jameer Nelson is the way to go if we can get him for the vet min but haven't heard anything about him.Asked Eric Pincus what he thinks Nelson asking price would be and he said the min with a contender.So hope we at least explore that option.

clipperboy24
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Not big on farmar. My picks would be Vazquez first then see where it goes. We want a facilitator more than anything

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Collison actually won a playoff game for us basically by himself late in the 4th qtr. So that alone, really made a difference for us moving on.

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Are we the front runners?

namzug
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If we improve at the Small Forward position or back up big would I be willing to suffer the drop off from DC to one of the guys I listed? Yes, please. Delonte West and or Jordan Farmar and have Deng as our Small forward.

Trade Deng for Jamal, and Duds might have to include Bullock and a pick. Try to get Alan Anderson, Ed Davis and Gustavo Ayon to fill out the roster.

CP3/West or Jordan

JJ/AA/CJ

Deng/Barnes/AA

Blake/Ed/Hedo

DJ/Ayon/Ed

ClipperKyle32
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I'll take him. Could be our Patty Mills type player

ClipsGForce
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I like Farmar. He will be a solid back up PG for us, if only the price is right.

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There are lot of free agent pgs in the nba who can back up paul every night.you have dj agustin,ramon sessions,jameer nelson,etc. but if I'm going to choose one kirk hinrich is my choice.he is a reliable steady D guard who can play both guard positions.he can play alongside paul and guard sgs.he is playing in tom's D system i chicago and played a lot of 2.hope he is not loking for an mle type salary or if we go for a cheaper option delonte west is an otion. He needs to be in game form. he is also a big guard who can play D and slide to 2 w/paul.i love collison but i think he is not a starter quality in the nba and we need to spend our mle to more important holes such as starting sf and backup big.but not for a backup pg.

ClipperKyle32
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Reports Are Clippers are Front Runners for Farmar.

Number Don't Lie. same production , but from different areas

Collison averaged 1.2 Steals. Farmar averaged 1 ( .9 )

Farmer also shot 43% from 3

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But Captain Kurt get injured a lot.

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Okay, now I want him! Smile

43% is very nice. We need more shooting like always. ^^

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Kirk has injury issues, and his shooting keeps declining he might not be a good option anymore.

Farmar could always shoot, career 37.5% 3PT, he's a better 3PT shooter than Collison, not shooter overall, but he can't use the mid-range off screens and isolation as well and doesn't get to the line as well or hit FT's as well and doesn't have the speed to push like Collison. Collison ends up about average on defense, Farmar being slower, less athletic and lacking length is a below average defender, though he has good anticipation in the lanes. There isn't any wild gulf between them as players though, but Collison is certainly better, but not enough where if healthy, having Collison vs Farmar as your backup PG is going to be a major determinant in your success.

It is nice that he can probably be had for less than $2M though, so that's probably the biggest attracting factor.

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Did Rivers Forgot Jordan Farmar? All I heard is Paul Pierce & Luol Deng.

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That's like calling Kaman an ex Laker. Matt Barnes was a Clipper before ever sniffing purple and gold.

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Yea, but if we're talking about going a whole playoff series and Paul is out against a good team, we're not going to win because we have Collison as opposed to some a slightly weaker PG. So in the end, Collison isn't going to be difference maker between our playoff success of lack thereof, and since we got Hawes, Hawes is just as likely to help us win a playoff game as Collison is, so we're balanced out in that aspect.

Agent0
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LOL, I'm assuming Kyle might be a newer Clipper fan considering Odom was originally a Clipper

ClipperKyle32
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I know Matt Barnes and Odom were Clippers beforehand. I knew that , but my fake "laker" roster was how Lakers fans would see it. They believe Kaman,Barnes,Odom are all Lakers and if Clips were to sign them, the Laker fans would consider them the Lakers Trash instead of the Clippers Past.

^^^^ oh that was nice Smile

ClipperKyle32
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Gilbert Arenas anyone? Hahaha

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No way to really be talking in absolutes. I think we can win a series with Collison as our starting PG if we had the right players around him. Or at the very least, have the current players playing better than they did. No way to really tell. You're implying that CP3 won us the series based on him starting and if you remove him, we don't win. I think it would largely depend on who is backing Collison up to make a better judgement as to the outcome. Collison proved he could take over a game in crunch time and win. Of course, the dynamics of the offense and defense would change, and a bigger load would be put on BG and the rest of the cast.

One can also say that maybe we don't win if we had a weaker PG backing up CP3. Who knows, maybe we don't get out of the first round without Collison's 4th quarter win.

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But how many second round playoff series has Chris Paul won... Zero. That's the problem with CP3, everyone worships him but I really think his game is just not set up to win a championship, he really is mediocre at half court ball movement which is what it takes to win a championship.

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How did Magic Johnson win 5 Championships with virtually no half court offense?

We were also one of the best half court offense teams last year. Don't let Charles Barkley's comments about us two years ago distract you.

clipperboy24
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In the playoffs when everything grinds down its a different game. Also have you recently watched clips of Magic from him championship days? He had no problem passing the ball early in the shot clock and promoting ball movement. Chris Paul not so much.

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You're right the game does slow down in the playoffs...and we still had the 2nd best half court offense in the league aside from San Antonio.

And the ball movement you're talking about with Magic is not half court offense, it's called a fast break. Just because more than one player passed the ball on a possession doesn't make it half court offense. The Showtime Lakers could pass the ball 7 times on a single fast break.

The Clippers also lost in the playoffs to one of the worst half court offensive teams in the playoffs. The Thunder run strictly ISO plays and fast breaks.

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Caps the least you can do is not insult my basketball watching skills by saying I don't know the difference between a fast break and set half court offense. I am not talking about fast breaks at all but actuall ball movement in he half court setting, not draining the clock and then forcing a shot. But letting the ball movement free up players.

Also teams can win series with Iso and all that fun stuff but usually not championships.

clipperboy24
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Caps the least you can do is not insult my basketball watching skills by saying I don't know the difference between a fast break and set half court offense. I am not talking about fast breaks at all but actuall ball movement in he half court setting, not draining the clock and then forcing a shot. But letting the ball movement free up players.

Also teams can win series with Iso and all that fun stuff but usually not championships.

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