Clippers Sign Jordan Farmar for 2 Years/$4.2 Million (P. 4)

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da11da
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Anyone who thinks this is a good signing has never seen Farmar play. This guy is horrible.

ClipperKyle32
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^^^^ you cannot judge the signing until we see him play FOR US. Teams,Coaches,Offensive Systems all matter. See Jared Dudley. He didn't fit. See Boris Diaw with Spurs. He fit well , but didn't in....

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realbull17
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Lakers may want a S&T for Farmar. I don't approve of this. I don't like working with the devil & the Lakers are the devil in my eyes.

ClipperKyle32
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No players involved. Just our Bledsoe Trade Expecption with possibly a 2nd round pick. POSSIBLY

Agent0
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...because you said so, or?

realbull17
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it doesn't matter. I don't want to help them in anyway.

They didn't want to help us when we tried to get LO7 from dallas in trade scenarios.in the end, It took 4 teams to get lamar.

fullcourt
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Its a nice pickup for a backup PG .. I consider farmer to be a sharp shooter while Collison was more of a transition player .Very different styles but will probably get similar results .

da11da
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Yes, we call these opinions.

loyalclipfan
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That's funny, I can only remember farmar getting that momentum changing bucket against us on numerous occasions which led to the Lakers eventually beating us in that game due to farmars plays of the the....

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cliptastic
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Looks like Steve Blake signed the same deal in Portland. Even though he is significantly older than Farmar, I would've been happy with Blake coming back here as well. Nothing spectacular, but would be a solid backup point.

ClippersDA
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Am I the only one who thinks steve blake absolutely sucks??? He's incompetent, he can't run an offense and his shot fails him at the biggest moments. I'm not that into farmar but he's a much more dynamic player i think

JQuick32
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I thought he was pretty decent when he was here.

Agent0
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Yes, everyone can and should have an opinions, but opinions are also allowed to be questioned. Valuable opinions are ones that have support to them, but opinion vs stating something as a fact is where people seemed to get mixed up on forum discussion. If you state it is a a fact not as "I personally think" and have no backing, that's useless to the rest of us, and you can't expect no questioning of this supposed fact.

It's fine if you have the opinion that Farmar sucks or whatever, but it is different when you throw a backhanded insult at everyone else by basically saying "whomever doesn't agree with my opinion must be ignorant of Farmar's play". Therein lies the problem, and if you're going to throw that out, you better have a lot better support than because you said so.

Clippersfan86
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da11da anyone who understands even rudimentary statistics would disagree with you. Farmar is a near career 40 percent shooter from 3 last I checked, including the last two NBA seasons where he's more like 42 percent. His per minute stats are actually quite great for a back up PG. He averaged 10/5/3 off the bench last year on excellent shooting efficiency. NOTHING is bad about that. Which is why every single person I've spoken with online or in person has praised the signing pretty much (outside of a couple on CTB). Lakers fans have often called him the brightest or second brightest spot for that team last season. Even his defense which may be his weak point, is something he at least gives effort on during games in most cases from what I've heard.

The ONLY gripe many have with Farmar is that he's very injury prone and has a recurring calf issue.

CapsNClips
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This. This right here is everything. We haven't had a backup PG that wanted to ultimately be a backup PG and not eventually be a starter in forever.

clip49
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I think the big key is a previous post.

that Farmar has accepted his role as a backup. It is no shame to back up Chris Paul.

But his talent is that of a starter, and he can change a game. He has done

that throughout his career. He has more championships then anyone on the clippers.

Except Doc.

He is relatively cheap at 4M when the other guys like Collison get 16M.

It is a smart gamble that can payoff.

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That isn't exactly any kind of ringing endorsement. The Lakers were one of the worst teams last season so the bar isn't set real high even if they consider him the second or first brightest spot. Only reason he came back to the NBA, IMO, was because they needed to fill a roster spot at the PG position that wouldn't demand more than a chance to come back at a minuscule of a price. That whole team was built to buy time with a motley crew of players that had little to no demand so they wouldn't waste their cap space. That's as honest and accurate depiction as you'll ever get of that team from last season. Lets not make Farmar more than he is. If not for the Lakers, he'd still be rooming with Vujacic in Turkey.

clipper*joe
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Starter in Turkey, Yes. Starter in this league? When did that ever happen in his career in the NBA? Why wouldn't Farmar accept his role as back up? That's all he's ever done in the NBA. That's like a Tiger accepting he has stripes.

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CapsNClips wrote:

This. This right here is everything. We haven't had a backup PG that wanted to ultimately be a backup PG and not eventually be a starter in forever.

What is a career back up supposed to say?

CapsNClips
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It's not that he said it, it's that he meant it and that it's true.

Farmar isn't going to be looking for a starting gig on a sh*tty team next season like Darren Collison.

Farmar already turned down a $7mil a year contract from Turkey to be back in the NBA. That's the type of player we need to rely on.

We need real role players. A role player isn't someone who's looking to eventually be a star.

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Farmar couldn't start on a shitty team last season. I'm pretty sure if someone offered him a chance to start on a close to MLE contract, he'd do what Collison did. Problem is, he was sitting and waiting on the Lakers, on the chance they'd offer him a contract...If they still had money left to spend. I think he came to his senses and realized he should jump on this opportunity. He said it himself. he didn't know why he was waiting.

Agent0
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A great turning point for some players in their NBA career is when they stop trying to be what they are not and accept what they are.

Good for you Farmar, good for you.

da11da
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Well i rather judge a player based on watching them play instead of numbers. Laker fans called him a bright spot last season, so that's supposed to mean he's good? Also it means nothing to me when you say everyone you talked to loved the signing. Most fans of any team love every move that team does. Looks like that is the case here.

da11da
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Phew! I was afraid we were going to have a position battle between CHRIS PAUL and this farmar guy but thankfully he has accepted his role as the backup.

da11da
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If you felt insulted by my post i apologize that was not my intent.

CP3Best
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The best part? This was THIS year in february, so its not like he just did it long ago this was just last season!!!

Clippersfan86
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No, it isn't. Why are well known analysts also praising the move? I mean in free agent grading I'm seeing consistent A's and B's for the signing. I think you are making a misinformed case here. Jordan Farmar can easily give 75+ percent of what Collison did for 40 percent of the price tag. I love the math on that.

da11da
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It comes down to you think it was a good signing and i don't. You continue talking about what other people are saying and offering that as proof that it is a good signing.

tense2
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^Well he did back up his opinion with stats, but apparently you don't believe in those, lol.

da11da
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Stats can be deceiving.

pageC4
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Didn't like the Farmar signing, but Doc did what he felt was best for the team. I'm going to put my reservations aside and cheer for him.

CapsNClips
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We signed Hawes and Farmar for only $2.1mil more than signing Collison outright.

I think we did pretty damn good if you ask me.

Agent0
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Well I actually didn't, I'm just saying, you shouldn't say it like that and then say "well it's just an opinion" because you're presenting that as fact when you say it like that. I'm not mad at you or insulted or anything, just telling you how it will probably be perceived.

Agent0
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Sometimes, but there's really nothing to be deceived about here. Can he shoot? Yes. Is he a high level defender? No, but no one thought he was. Can he defend adequately enough? Yes. Can he dribble, pass and protect the ball enough where he's not going to destroy your offense or anything, yes. Can he get open well enough to make enough shots to be qualified as a decent scorer, yes. I mean there's really nothing that is deciding us here. He isn't averaging 10 pts on 10+ FGA, he doesn't freeze a teams offense, there's nothing that suggests his stats paint him as a different caliber player than he is. His stats say he's a decent player and best as a bench player, which is what he is.

clip49
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The bench players are what helped the Spurs wins the championship.

They are relentless to the last player.

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD
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I can't wait for Ralph to say some classic lob-dunk calls this season. "Jordan to Jordan. WITH THE JAM!!!"

ClipperRevival
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Collison is a few levels better than Farmar, and I don't care what the numbers say. Collison was huge for us last year and was one of the main reasons we did what we did. Farmar is a below average back up while Collison is a super back up. We got noticeably weaker at the pg spot. I just hope Farmar plays above his expected level.

ClipperRevival
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He accepts his back up role because he knows he's not good enough to start.

clip49
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The thing about Jordan Farmar is he impacts a game.

When there is a tight playoff situation and you need a play, he has the

history of performing.

With UCLA and the Lakers.

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