Should the Clippers Resign DeAndre Jordan to a New Contract?

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Should the Clippers keep or trade DeAndre Jordan?
Keep him and re-up him for the max contract
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Offer him $14 million/yr, & he would take it
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Give $12 million/yr, & he would accept
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Trade him
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ClipsGForce
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I am looking for the official Deandre Jordan thread, but if someone can find it, please merge it with this one.

I was wondering if Deandre Jordan is worth the contract extension. I believe so, but how much he commands will be the question of this upcoming season.

Based on this performance, last year, how much are you willing to give DJ to stay with the Clips for few more years?

jarca
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Yup his durability alone makes it worth it. How many big men can stay healthy like him

Agent0
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Interestingly enough we got two of the league's healthiest C's. Hawes career:

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Outside of the lockout year he's also been great. As long as the price is right, DJ should be re-signed, but you know, none of this $15M/year kind of stuff.

CapsNClips
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I'd love to lock DJ up for another 4 years at a salary starting at $12mil a year and increase $1mil each year.

I'd like to lock him up before the NBA gets their new TV deal which would increase the salary cap, meaning DJ would cost a lot more.

4ys/$54mil should do it.

realbull17
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Originally DJ isn't worth 11mil but we had to match. I Thought he was worth 8 to 9mil. This time around he should get between 12 & 13mil. If he wants more than that I can see Rivers trading him.

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So do you want DJ to leave or do you want him to stay? The title makes it seem like the former.

Clipperfn4lf
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If gordon hayward gets 15mil a year expect DJ to get around 15 mil.

ClipperKyle32
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Resign DJ or sign him to an extension? What is better for us CAP WISE so we can actually target FAs.

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That all depends on what you guys want more. Are you guys willing to sign DJ to equal or higher value at the expense of getting a legit starting SF? Ask yourselves which position is more important in this age of the NBA. can we live with the same type of talent we have now at the sf position in order to keep DJ? Or are you willing to use 10-15 million on a SF and get a serviceable center at the price we're paying our SF now? Ask yourself that and you have your answer. If there is a SF available, I'll go with that first. Not too many high end centers out there for teams to lock up a lot of money in that position. SF is a different story.

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The only real quality SF available next offseason is Kawhi, but he's an RFA and the Spurs will absolutely match whatever a team offers.

I think we have to extend DJ just by the pure unluckiness of when is contract expires. It would've been so great if it expired this offseason.

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I hope we extend DJ's contract. Durability, mobility, athleticism, and he just placed 3rd in DPOY. He's gotten better every year and seems to be doing great playing for Doc.

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Deandre is probably top 5 in the league in terms of athleticism, but I just don't feel that he's really worth over $10M a year at this point. If he improves this upcoming season the way he did last year, then my mind could be changed.

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Flip him if something comes up. If not, try to work something out that both parties are happy with. Now that we have Hawes, we won't be in the same situation we were last time with DJ.

CapsNClips
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Jordan Hill just got $9mil. Gortat got $12mil.

DeAndre is just now entering his prime and has never missed a game in his career. He's probably worth $16mil to a lot of teams in the NBA. Hopefully he thinks $12mil is good enough, because that's probably what we are gonna offer him.

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lakers wanted a one year commitment so they had to overpay Hill to take that one year. Gortat has a more well rounded game.

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Gortat is also 30 years old and his best days are soon to be behind him.

When you're paying for DJ, your paying for defense, rebounding, durability, youth, athleticism, high character and most importantly to owners is that he will put butts in seats and is very marketable.

I can easily see Minnesota or Atlanta throwing big bucks at DJ next offseason.

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I think we need to address this season and the small forward position first. Then if we like the outlook you try to work something out with DJ. I think he likes it here as well as everyone on the team, so a fair deal can be had. 12-14 would be fair in my opinion.

I think we have to do something with our wings. I feel like all our wings are just back ups. I like all of them too, but feel outside of Barnes none can guard a starting wing. They are all one dimensional and lack any versatility. We have 18 million invested in our two wing positions and not having a sure fire starter is close to ridiculous. This should be addressed before extending DJ in my opinion.

kjavis
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This line of thought, also the outcome of next season may determine his fate, if we don't at least make it to the WCF then the core may need a shake up and DJ will be the first target

CP3Heliflopter
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I would sign him to a 50m/4 yrs contract.

realbull17
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yes. Because Lebron signed a 2 year deal also kevin durant will be FA soon. I would do DJ contract like this: 1st year- guaranteed. 2nd year- partially guaranteed (if waived). 3rd year- team option. 4th year- team option.

Clippersfan86
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Even as someone who's been very hard on him in the past... I think we should max him out. Even if his play dropped a little from last year this season, he's getting maxed based on the contracts GM's are handing out. I don't see any better center we can get who's 25 years old with upside still that fits the roster so well.

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max him out? Even the heat didn't max out their own players. Even after winning the chip twice and going to the finals 4 years, the heat were reluctant to give max contracts to all three. So now we're going to give max money to DJ and further handcuff our cap situation? Center position has the least amount of talent. No way you max him out. Not even if he had a offensive game would you max him out.

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Jesus - 12mil, 15mil...are you people insane? The guy isn't worth what he currently makes and you want to give him more than Joakim Noah? If he wants to stay for around 7-8 mil., fine...if not, let him walk!

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unlikely. We'll trade him before we let him walk.

Btw..he's making 11mil now. 12 to 12.5mil is fair. 13 or more. Hell to the NO!!!

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So because other GM's flush their money down the toilet, that means we need to do the same? No to maxing out DJ. It's about to be year 7 of his career and he still has no post game, no ability to score without dunking, overrated rim protection, is unable to hit a free throw or guard centers with fundamentals and/or a jump shot, and he disappears in the playoffs unless the other team is missing their starting center. On top of that, he's dumb enough to break NBA rules in the offseason in full view of a camera, making him a liability off the court as well.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't maxing him out basically ruin our cap space for 2016, when Durant and LeBron are both on the market (as well as good lesser players like Horford and Noah who are better than DJ)? No thanks.

Clippersfan86
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Obviously you guys haven't been keeping up with the league. Role players are getting 7-10 mill. DJ is worth 14 no doubt when he gets 11.5 now. He was arguably the 3rd or 4th best center in the league. He carried us through GS series. You'd be happy with losing him for nothing and still not having enough cap to add a third all star caliber piece? Not me.

Agent0
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What is DJ's max? I don't want to check.

kjavis
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Some of these conclusions don't make sense, how does DJ a 1 way player that gives you next to nothing on the offensive end (and alleys don't count because they are few and far between in the POs) and at times a liability because of his FTs get more than a player like Deng who is a 2-time all star, who is a very solid player on both ends of the court who just signed for 10 million a year? DJ was clearly overpaid on his first contract but how do you justify paying him more, it be like putting the shackles on our spending flexibility on a player that to me is still a gamble.

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He carried us against GS because they had no center. What did he do in the second round with a center playing against him? Nothing. You can flip him before the deadline (entertain offers) or S&T if need be. As for these role players getting big money, that's because teams are fighting for the same players. The market is selling high based on the instability Lebron caused by leaving Miami. Gortat got 12 million. He's a full rounded center and that's what I would give DJ.

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Not sure but I think it's $17,695,200 for a 7 year player.

namzug
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The extremes on this thread are crazy. Let's see what happens in regards to DJ's play and our roster before we talk about maxing out or letting him go altogether.

As of right now, no way do we give him more than 14. I'm one of his biggest supporters, but he is a one dimensional player. Whether you like him, hate him or are neutral; you can't say the guy does much more than what you would expect a seven foot athletic center to do (that's not selling him short, it's actually quite a bit).

I would try to get him at around 12-13 maybe 14 if he has another jump in production or shows much improvement in his overall game. This is dependent on what we look like during the season. If we can get rid of Duds and maybe trade some one to solidify our perimeter d; then our FO can sit and work out a deal.

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If we could sign him to an extension this year that would be great, but I don't think his agent will advise him to do so.

If he continues to improve as he has, there will be plenty of suitors on the FA market for his services.

We'll have to see how Hawes actually pans out to see if we have the required back up if he leaves.

Agent0
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Oh wow, yea, $17M would be way too much for this team to give. If worst comes to worst we can package him to a team for a cheaper similarly productive C and a SF if we haven't gotten one. I mean of course we want to keep him, but there's a salary cap and a luxury tax and we still have the SF position to fill.

I've said it before, but I'd take Mozgov at $4.2M over DJ if it meant improving a decent amount at SF. Mozgov is actually pretty good on defense took good rebounder, blocks shots, and he can actually score and shoot. Not a bad option especially if the re-sign price is like $6-7M or so, though that may not be the case lol.

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Exactly, and once we improve our wing defense there be less penetration and dependence on having a guy like DJ to cover up mistakes with those 2nd line defensive blocks. As far as I'm concerned a big body that can pack the paint is just as effective ALA Spurs vs OKC

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No. He's great at what he does but he's become too expensive for a 1 way player. Trading him at the deadline for some assets would be good.

Clippersfan86
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I'm with Agent. IF we can somehow downgrade a tier or two at center but acquire a huge upgrade at SF, It would be worth it. SF is a lot more important in the west, especially defense. We should offer DJ for Kawhi Leonard.

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The Spurs will never give up Kawhi IMO. OKC could offer Durant, and they still wouldn't trade him.

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DJ wants a big contract which he won't get at least not with LAC. I would trade him at the deadline for exp. contracts & draft picks. We need to save our money for the upcoming free agency especially 2016. Hint, hint: KD & LBJ.

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Why would the Spurs do that trade when they already have a better center than DJ?

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JQuick don't keep degrading our players. They are valuable to us. What is valuable to us may not be as valuable to other teams. , but that doesn't mean that aren't valuable. Atleast we arenmt the....

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JQuick32
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I'm not degrading our players. Splitter is just better than DJ, it is what it is.

And yes, I'm glad we're not the Lakers right now. Smile

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I think we are gonna have to re-sign DJ. I would rather get Marc Gasol next offseason, but we probably won't have enough under the cap to give him a respectable offer.

I'd also rather just sign DJ straight up to a new contract than give him an extension because we'd have more flexibility under the cap to sign another good player for around $8mil before signing DJ with his bird rights.

Maybe sign Tobias Harris with our cap room.

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If Gortat was our center we would have won the championship already and we'd have a solid 3 year window to win a couple more. Love DJ to pieces, but his game is best suited for the regular season and "putting butts in seats". He needs to take a huge step forward this year if he wants anything close to what he's currently making, at least in a perfect world. If he gets a bigger payday, we are settling big time.

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DJ was better in the playoffs last year than Gortat, I'm not sure what Gortat brings that DJ doesn't that the Clippers need. We don't need more offense, even though DJ averaged 10ppg on 73% FG%. And Gortat averaged 13ppg on 50% FG%.

DJ was out best player in the Golden State series.

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Doubt it because Gortat can't seem to stay healthy as opposed to DJ who has barely missed any games in his career thus far. But yes it would be nice to have a center who could shoot FT's better, so if DeAndre can step it up in that area it would be a big boost to the team.

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DJ's FG%, while impressive, is a very misleading stat. Having a reliable, go-to scorer in the post creates so many more options for the team in a half court situation. DJ only produces in transition or when the half court defense hasn't fully set.

Defensively as well, DJ's stats are so misleading. Unfortunately he was brought up under the tutelage of Marcus Camby who was phenomenal at weak side blocks, but nothing special as far as on-ball defending.

DJ is healthier which is a plus for sure, but I'll take reliable scoring, rebounding, defending, FT shooting with a slight higher chance of an injury in the playoffs.

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With Jordan the best thing to do would probably be let his contract run out, then re-sign him, and give him the extra year in return for being paid a little bit less if possible.

He's definitely worth keeping though and we can go way over the cap to re-sign him if needed, unlike any possible replacement.

People underrate his offensive contributions. If "just dunks" was easy everyone would do it, he's a remarkable player in his ability to finish at the basket, and he's an elite offensive rebounder. Not someone you want to run plays for, but as a secondary player he contributes a lot without taking touches from guys like Griffin and Paul. I think up until last year where he stepped up his defense, there was good case he was better on offense than defense.

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Sadly the CBA controls for this with cap holds. I believe a players cap hold is like 120% of their salary, so in order to maintain DJ's bird rights we would have to leave the cap hold and can't actually sign a free agent with our cap room because it isn't free cap room.

It was a good thought though.

One thing I forgot to think about is the new TV contract which is projected to increase the salary cap and the relative pay scales, so it would be advantageous to sign DJ before the TV contract because his contract would be cheaper than otherwise. A lot of teams were able to get some good decent length deals on players relative to the new CBA when it was transitioned in the late 90's lockout. Paying like $5M a year for what would be a $9-10M/year player of you waited another year.

Agent0
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We wouldn't have won the championship already is Gortat was our C. Why do people say stuff like this. When would we have won? 12-13 Blake got injured, so no chance. 11-12 the team sucked on defense, so again, how was that going to happen? Last season, OKC is still a 50/50 series and Gortat doesn't put the team ahead of the Spurs.

I think we need to ease on the hyperbole there. This team wasn't a Gortat away from wining it all in the last three seasons.

sz123456
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First off, Clippers, Thunder, Spurs, and Heat were all capable of winning it all last year. With Gortat we would be a better team (in the short term at least), it's not that crazy to be confident that we would have won it. But how about this: If Gortat was our center, our chances of winning it all would be even greater than they already were.

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