Does Reggie Bullock Have a Place with the Clippers?

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In all this tempest nobody has brought up Reggie. Is he the answer to our SF problem? At 6'7" can he play SF? Is he any good? Can he play SG off the bench when JC has Swiss cheese like defense? Is there a reason he didn't get minutes last yr? His stats are so minuscule that's it's hard to tell if he's any good. Are we going to trade him?

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Yes, We need to fix our SF problem , but do we seriously have to bring this up again? With the team we had last season , we NEVER lost 3 games in a row.....

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I'm very high on Bullock (probably higher than I should be). He never really got to play extended minutes so it's hard for him to get into any sort of rhythm, but the little bit that he did play you can tell he's going to be a great shooter because of his stroke, not his numbers.

He was also a pretty good defender and in some spurts showed amazing defense.

I prefer to start Reggie over Dudley or Barnes because Barnes is better suited for the bench and Dudley...well he just sucks.

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I think Reggie will get more opportunities this season, I remember against okc Reggie played good defense on Durant, hopefully he will more chances to show what he's capable of

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Sure he has a place... it's called garbage-time.

He will (and should) get only the minutes he earns. Even against everyone else's scrubs, he proved to be a net negative last year. If he's still the same player, he'll get eaten alive by full-time starters at either wing spot.

30% from deep and a 108DRtg does not a "3 & D" specialist make.

Maybe he'll develop in time, but right now he is nothing but a throw-in to make salaries add up in a trade.

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Not to be disrespectful, but don't we have a thread for this already? Reggie can still a big part of our team, he have the size and shooting that would be perfect on the bench. Don't just think now, think about the future.

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If he can walk to staple center without hurting himself, Yes

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I have been a fan of the Clippers since 2001. From Dunleavy to Doc Rivers the approach is always win now. I guess I can't blame the coaches since their job depends on the win-loss column.

That being said I have seen countless examples where the Clippers draft a rookie and said rookie excels, yet the coach decides not to play the rookie and instead opts to give more time to the journey man. I remember this well under Dunleavy when he stubbornly allowed a washed up Cuttino Mobley to start instead of the surging rookie Eric Gordon. We even saw glimpses of that this year when Doc Rivers kept Dudley in the lineup instead of allowing Bullock some valuable playing time to learn the game. So why do coaches do this?

Well, all rookies have higher levels of turn overs and haven't refined their shot or learned the fundamentals. Keeping a rookie in the lineup is detrimental to the overall win loss column, and that means a coaches job. For us as fans it's easy to see the bigger picture and know that in the long run a few games lost in the rookie season is a reasonable sacrifice so that the rookie can learn these skills and get to that peak production quicker. But unlike coaches we aren't on the hot seat every year, so sometimes they can't keep a rookie in the lineup even if it is for the greater good. After all they don't get to prove to the ownership that their decision to sacrifice some games because it was good seasoning for the rookie will pay rewards next year, because come that very next offseason that coach will get fired.

That's my take for why Bullock didn't get minutes. So in the end we don't know if he is the answer for us at SF because he hasn't gotten a chance to really audition. I also suspect that he won't be given any minutes this year either to prove himself. If it were up to me Dudley would be in the doghouse. Barnes would start, Bullock would back up, and I'd sit pudgy ass Dudley on the bench until he realized he is a professional basketball player. Dudley would have to earn his way back onto the court if it were my decision, but I doubt it will occur this way.

My guess is that Dudley will again get the benefit of the doubt at SF, with Barnes backing him up. Meanwhile Bullock will be rotting on the bench along with his clone Wilcox. I think this situation stinks because essentially we are a contender, and its fine if we don't want to give minutes to rookies, I get that, but why draft them at all. We should be dealing these rookies out for veteran help that will actually see some court time and actually help us. Even if we get some sort of exemption for these picks even that would be better than them just rotting here.

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I'd start Bullock at SF. Throw him into the fire. Force him to learn quickly. Before he got injured last year he led all rookies in plus/minus and started getting going. Doc is an awful coach when it comes to giving rookies a shot. As some said above, he showed great D a lot of times. I truly still feel he's a 3+D player. He did struggle something awful though the little spurts he guarded Durant. He needs to get a lot stronger.

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Bullock is expendable until he starts contributing impact minutes like what Norris Cole did in his first year for the Heat. Needs to up his numbers and mix his offensive game by utilizing his youth and athleticism with some aggressive drives to create opportunities instead of mindless chucking on the 3pt line.

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So would I. Barnes is a great backup SF, but a bad choice for a starter. And Dudley is just plain awful. I don't trust him to live up to his claims of eating healthy and getting back to his Phoenix form.

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I agree, give him a 20 game test run in the beginning of the season and pre-season.

We are a good enough team to win regular season games regardless of who's our SF. The worst case scenario is we lose .300% of our games with him as a starter and we move him back to the bench and know not to do that in the playoffs. I think he'll be a good option and will be a positive for us in the starting unit. I'm not sure how much he's played with CP last year, but if he's the starter he will be put in his favorite spots and it will all come down to if he can shoot (I know he can).

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Don't think we can really judge Reggie just yet. He needs more mins for his confidence to build and for him to develop some rhythm. Tough to get those things being shoved in and out, partially in long stretches where he's wasn't able to play due to us being a top contending team and his injuries.

Think Docs like him too and more at the SG spot. Wasn't that surprise he didn't get that much playing time, especially with Doc's use of rookies in the past, injuries or no injuries.

Hopefully now with his acclamation to the NBA last season over and done with he'll be able to get a little more playing time.

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As bad as Dudley was last year, he still did everything better than Reggie except rebound... and that was against our opponents' better quality players, much of the time playing injured (especially while Barnes was out).

If the young fella doesn't step up his game when he's allowed on the floor, he'll be joining that other Clippers fan "favorite" Trey Thompkins in the wilderness.

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Reggie is just way to little to be a starting SF IMO. He is the size of a SG.

Reggie is 6'7 205... Compared to say a METTA who is 6'7 260.

Metta is pretty big, but even Marion is 6'7 228.

Kawhi is 230.

Reggie is just way too light in the ass to start at SF in this league. We need someone strong and won't just get backed down into the post. I really want Aminu back. He is 6'9-6'10 and seriously light at 215 but makes up for it with one of the sickest wingspans I've ever seen at 7'3 3/4. Combined with his athleticism he can be what we need to contest durant.

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Doc Rivers is seeing practice every day. He will know whether or not its a good idea throw Bullock out there. But he certainly has a place. He can battle for minutes at the SF position. It's not as if anyone has locked it up. If he makes a dramatic off season improvement, that position could easily be his.

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My sentiment EXACTLY! Why are so many on here crying about our sf spot? MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, Dudley plays more like his older stats, we have a good back up at the c/pf position, AT....

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As is no surprise to most I think reggie bullock has a lot of value to this team. He has shown the ability to rebound at a high level and guard SF players bigger than him and can be a great shooter, deadly quick release. Hopefully Doc gives him some more pt and then it will be clear. Would love for us to get aminu to throw in the mix!

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Seriously starting? he will get eaten up by every starting SF in the league, guys like KD, Lebron, PG be licking their chops. Bullock hasn't even proved himself as a great bench player let along start. Maybe start him if you were looking at tanking the season, the West is so competitive, getting the highest possible seed is still a priority, every game is a must win. If you really want to develop Bullock have him start preseason and then first off the bench for Barnes in the regular season, if he can do that job well then you can talk about possibly starting. Look at bringing the kid in slowly, not throw him straight to the sharks LEL SMMFDH

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Here is my problem with Reggie and it may not be his fault it may be what the coaches want. He just chucks, he hasn't shown any skill off the dribble or slashing and my opinion we have enough chuckers and people willing to go stand in the corner. JJ is a good slasher he is just to short and not athletic enough to slash effectively so that leaves our SF to do it. Reggie does rebound and he does play D he just doesn't fit for what we need. one of our wings just has to be an attacker.

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So do Dudley and Barnes pretty much. There really is no risk to doing a test run of say 10-15 games. Every game is a must win, yet Dudley started how many times?

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Reggie showed some great d against Carmelo and Durant during the regualr season forcing tough shots. I would give him the nod over Dudley Doc told him to be aggressive second half of the season and it went up and down. True question is what will happen with Wilcox is he our new willie green?

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Reggie will start what u mean his been doing good in the clippers practice faculty going ham that's how he got hurt

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Cj Wilcox is the new willie green for sure

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Sorry, but what do you mean? Just didn't understand the post no offense meant

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Reggie won't start but he will get a lot more opportunities this season. Next season we could possibly see jamal leave and us get rid of barnes and dudley to upgrade the 3 spot and have Cj and reggie replace them as solid backups that can shoot.

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That would really be a good scenario! I don't know about CJ but reggie has shown can play at the nba level just needs more opportunities.

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I wish Reggie could jump like m'baye lol

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Not sure about starting Bullock, I don't believe in handing players positions just for the sake of it. Let him prove in practice that he's worth starting. Also I wouldn't really take +/- positive or negative from such limited minutes to mean anything at all, too much error in such small sample sizes. If Reggie is good enough he will start, he's a second year player now.

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I don't really take last year in to account all too much with Reggie. I think this year will be a lot more telling. If he can be healthy and get a good run early on in the season, I think we can see a lot more of him. I wouldn't say starting, but at least be able to battle with the others for minutes.

The only problem I can see is with him possibly fitting better at SG, but I don't think he has the quickness to play the 2 so he might just adjust to playing the 3.

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That is an issue that seems to be apparent with Reggie. Size wise, he seems like a SG, but lateral quickness wise he seems like a SF. I think he's best off at SF, I don't know how well he'll hold strength wise, but his quickness is good enough there along with good defensive fundamentals.

Of course we'll also need better shooting and more efficient offense to be giving him extensive minutes as obviously 36% FG and 30% 3PT and 46% TS is not adequate to play minutes even with decent defense. You'd have to be some super elite shut down defender for that to be acceptable, and even then, barely.

He'll probably not be getting to the basket much or finishing too well on the break. First step and explosiveness are lacking and he can't make it happen using any sort of advanced ball handling ability. Also if you watch film, you'll see that he consistently picks up his dribble way too early when attacking players one on one on the break. So his shooting will have to be what holds him up.

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I think his shooting will improve with time. He has a decent stroke, but he just seems like he can't relax when he's out there. I don't expect a starter out of Reggie just a solid role player off the bench. I actually have higher expectations from CJ in the long run, but don't expect him to get much time unless he just blows Doc's mind during training camp.

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I still have some hope left that Reggie will be a good player. But probably as a 2 and not a 3. He is 6'7" and 200 lbs. Prototypical 2 size. He would have fits against guys like Lebron/Melo. If he was 220 lbs, I would feel much more comfortable. But we need defense and if he can provide this at a high level, I wouldn't have a problem with him playing the 3 at times. But not all the time because some of these 3s would outmuscle him.

Some of you mentioned doing a test run of starting him. I also wouldn't have a problem with that because if Rivers is bold enough to make that move, that means he saw a lot of good things from Bullock and he probably outplayed Barnes and Dudley.

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Like i said start him preseason, if his production is not even close to or exceeds that of Barnes/Duds then there is no benefit starting him, the regular season is serious business

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If he outplays both of them, then he should start IMO, it shouldn't just be a test run, but I think people were implying just starting him for the sake of it, which I don't agree with at all.

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Some of the criticisms on reggie like lack of aggressiveness and spotty shooting can be primarily attributed to being a rookie and not fully comfortable on the court. He is a good shooter you can see in the games where he had bigger minutes and shot well. Also he had a few nice aggressive moves and good breakaways but again it was in games where he was playing more. With more minutes and comfort in docs system I think he will flourish

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He did show some great abilities. If we're lucky he could eventually resemble Danny Green. Considering that he won't get any significant time this year summer league would have been a chance for him to showcase how much he has learned over that first year in the NBA. Sadly, that didn't happen. I can only hope that come preseason he and Wilcox are ready to suit up and play. Also, we should look at sending both of them down tot he D-League to hone in on their skills since they aren't going to be playing much.

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Given that Reggie has Barnes and Dudley on the depth chart in front of him, he has every opportunity to shine and to win that job. Neither of those guys is a lock for 30+ minutes a game. If Reggie makes a strong improvement, he can even win the starter's job. Obviously such and improvement is unlikely and we can't count on it, but nonetheless a major opportunity is there for him. We will see how his off season has been.

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Doc should have let Reggie play in the D-League last season. Rookies generally have issues with shooting percentages. Reggie should be a better shooter as a 2nd year player, we'll just have to see how well he brings the defense and shooting together. He was the 25th pick, there's no sure-fire thing in that range, so we can't really know.

The good thing is that he knows his role and what he is and won't try to be more than that. He won't try to create off the dribble or be a slasher. He'll go out and look to play defense and hit open shots. If he can do those effectively then he will get minutes. I don't know if he has the frame to put on weight to be a more adequate SF though.

First year for a projected role player means little as long as he doesn't look super lost. Second year, sure you at least hope for him to be shooting better as a guy who is a shooter and also looking more comfortable on defense, and then third year of course then you can really start to get a clearer idea of what kind of player a player will be if he didn't get sufficient minutes in second year to show that.

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Reggie is 23. This off season, he should be doing everything he can to make this the year that he establishes himself. There is a tremendous opportunity in front of him to win minutes. Both Barnes and Dudley are vulnerable to an upstart.

So often talented young players come to teams with a set rotation and they don't have an opportunity to see if they belong. Doc played Reggie a reasonable amount for a rookie and it looked like he was starting to play him more when Reggie got hurt. His future is still open to him. I would love to see him come back a much improved player and win that starting job. Others have done it. He already has a good shooting stroke, so he's a step ahead of Aminu and other players in that regard.

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The underlying point is this guy needs more gametime, whether its D/Summer League or preseason, his on court time was very limited last season especially as the season went on to the POs, how do you expect a guy to develop when he is hardly even playing let alone have discussions about starting, seriously LEL

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Our inability to land an upgraded SF could be a blessing in disguise in that it will force us to give Reggie increased PT. Consequently, he will get the floor time necessary to foster his development and we will be able to make a more informed decision on his future prospects. Personally, so long as his jumper falls like it did in college, I see no reason why he can't at least serve as a backup.

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You can develop in practice and in the gym without playing time. We actually can't really complain too much about his playing time as a rookie considering he also got injured. Reggie played 9.2 MPG in 43 games and a total of 395 minutes.

Other players as rookies:

Jimmy Butler: 42 games, 8.5 mpg, 359 minutes

Gerald Henderson: 43 games, 8.3 mpg, 355 minutes

Thabo Sefolosha: 71 games, 12.2 mpg, 868 minutes

Shabazz Muhammad: 37 games, 7.8 mpg, 290 minutes

Allen Crabbe: 15 games, 6.7 mpg, 100 minutes

Evan Fournier: 38 games, 11.3 mpg, 428 minutes

Tobias Harris: 42 games, 11.2 mpg, 479 minutes

...etc, etc.

It's really not a rare occurrence for a rookie in Reggie's position to play such few minutes, and Reggie played even less because of injury. We certainly weren't a team in the position to give any significant minutes to a player of Reggie's caliber. The rookies who get better minutes early on either show a skill that is just really NBA ready or are on a team that just has minutes available. Reggie had neither so he gets the year of bench development.

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I'll literally take anyone other than Barnes or Dudley at this point.... we are that desperate at SF.

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We get no offense from small forward as it stands, would rather have someone who does something really well like rebounding or defense or cutting. In short I agree with agent.

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No, you're that desperate. I'm actually pretty satisfied with filling in other needs. I even came to terms with Farmar. You kinda hit rock bottom. From actually thinking we had a shot a LeBronze to now taking "literally" anyone to replace Barnes or Dudley. How the mighty have fallen.

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Reggie definitely have a place on this team. IF he can stay healthy. When givjng opportunity this kid can shoot. Rivers luv this kids. I can see Reggie getting more minutes. And he won't be traded like others suggested.

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