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david
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Ray Allen would be a terrific addition to the roster. Imagine a 4 guard lineup with CP3, JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, & Ray Allen + Blake Griffin/Spencer Hawes. Talk about spreading the court.

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I think Ray is a darn good baller but a bit long in the tooth

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Would be awesome but isn't going to happen, he's going to the cavs

fray_27
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Seems like money might be a priority and if it is were screwed.

Secondly I might be wrong but if we do end up getting him doesn't it seem like a trade would be on the way most likely Jamal? Cuz what would be the purpose of having JJ, Jamal, Allen, bullock, and Wilcox ALL at the SG position?

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I love RayRay but if we get him, then Jamal needs to be traded for an SF.

tense2
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Without question you trade Jamal for an area of need IF Allen agrees to sign with us. But I believe the probabilities of that happening are very long. Think, if he returns for 1 more year, he chooses Cleveland.

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This would be terrible. I love Ray Allen but at 39 he wouldn't be much but a catch and shoot just like JJ. Seems like We'd Trade JJ not Jamal as him and Allen would be doing the exact same thing. Allen is too old for me at this point.

tense2
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Allen maybe 39 but he's still better a overall player/shooter then Jamal.

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/co ... eason=2013

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He is definitely not a better "Overall" player then Jamal that's your opinion and definitely is not proven by the link you provided. Shooting eff. Allen is the all time best shooters in the history of the NBA so there is no argument there.

Now my position is he and JJ be playing the exact same role with the exact same skillset, whereas Jamal gives you ISO, clutch 4th qtr play, dribble penetration, and getting to the FT line, JJ and Ray Allen both provide mostly catch and shoot.

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Team doesn't need a 39 year old player. What the team needs to do is 3 things then get ready for the season. Keep the chemistry and sign a good player of need at a good price.

Sign F Jordan Hamilton

Resign C Ryan Hollins

Trade F Jared Dudley

bballman
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You guys need to give Dudley a chance to redeem himself. It was said he had patellar tendonitis. I have it now and walking is tough let alone play basketball. Every shot you take comes up short. Playing defense or driving in the lane is always tough. If he is healthy,he can still help the team a lot. Lets hope he is healthy. His contract really isn't that bad. Next year,he will be an expiring contract with lots of trade value so not trading him right now is not such a bad thing.

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Yuck no thanks.

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No, we don't. By his own admission he was perfectly healthy by mid-season, and continued to stink. Sorry, he got lots of chances, and he stinks.

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^either way we don't need to give him a chance or not, it is irrelevant. If he plays well it is a positive to the team no matter what. That is true for every player on the roster, even ones we want to trade. Trading guys also isn't always because they are playing bad or you don't like them, sometimes it ends up being able roster balance and fit. I'd like Dudley to play well and our reason for trading him to be that we found someone who balances the roster a little better or fits a little better.

While I think a lot of fans just overrate what they consider "clutch", and wrongly limit clutch play to just offense and neglect all the other non-scoring productions that help teams win, I'd say all three of these guys being mentioned give clutch play on offense, so that part is a bit of a moot point, though I'm not sure I'm getting too excited about 38 and now going to be 39 year old Ray Allen down the stretch of games anymore.

Ray Allen is better in a specific role, he can play that role and be a higher impact player in that role better than Jamal in that role, but he can't play Jamal's role at this stage and Jamal is far better in that role as of now. We have to differentiate that from being better overall. The team doesn't need a bench guy in that role. I don't know if there is much concrete stuff supporting a conclusion that Allen is objectively better. I don't see the need to Ray at this stage. Right now we are already packed at SG, so unless we're trading a SG, when does he play, and secondly even if we traded Jamal for example, Ray Allen isn't the guy to compliment Redick that we would desire.

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Where we screwed the pooch was taking Billups over Allen. Billups cost us that series

JQuick32
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It was never between Chauncey and Ray. It was between Jamal and Ray. IIRC, Allen has said he actually wanted to come here and only signed with Miami because the Clippers told him the deal was off because they were going with Crawford instead.

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No, we don't need to give Dudley another chance. It would be one thing if he had a minor dip in production, but he was flat-out awful last year.

Did the tendonitis make him overeat and become fat?

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No, but the main treatment for tendonitis is rest, so it almost certainly cut into his workouts and practices. Pushing hard through tendonitis is how you end up needing surgery for it like Granger, who still is a shell of his former self two years later. Like Baron before him, Dudley is probably a guy who always ate bad, but kept fit by working hard, but last year he couldn't work as hard. He seems to have learned from that though, as he's talking about his diet a good amount this offseason.

I'm more concerned about Dudley getting his confidence and mentality back than his health/fitness, fixing the body is straightforward, fixing the mind can be trickier. His rebounding and movement picked up the second half of the season last year, but his confidence was just completely shot.

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the only way ray allen will come here and the only way we will get ray allen is if we package jamal with dudley for a starting sf..their $9 million combined could pull in a guy like jeff green or wilson chandler..

Agent0
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...and the decision was fine, Jamal has done well here, no complaints. Ray Allen wasn't the difference between this team getting to the second round and getting to the WCF or Finals, that's on defense and a solid backup big probably plays more into it than most other things.

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Just saw an article that quotes a little more from Allen...

http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/10257 ... um=twitter

ClipTakeover
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That last quote really leads me to believe, if he does return, he will sign with us. Especially as we see Cleveland going in other directions with Marion and Billups.

ClipperKyle32
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CP did actually just now follow Ray. I would not mind Ray playing that Willie Green role for us. Hopefully we part with one of our rooks to open up space and we can still....

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Clippersfan86
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Trade Crawford for a SF, Redick/Allen offer similar things and fit the system so much better.

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That would be nice. Maybe trade Jamal and Dudley for Jeff Green.

Boston has no use for either of those players, but I can't think of any other obtainable quality SF's.

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Jamal Dudley and bullock for Wilson Chandler and mozgov or hickson

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Wilson Chandler isn't that good though.

itsLuigi
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He's not a huge upgrade but I'd rather have him defending Durant than dudley or Barnes. Maybe he can muscle him up a bit. I would rather go after gallanari though but who knows if he's available.

Edit: did any of you guys see Chandler play with Crawford at the pro am? He did pretty good. He had some pretty good highlights

clipfan63
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No way,just what we need an ancient washed up old dinosaur.Did anyone think he was particularly impressive against the Spurs last season in the finals,I sure didn't,his performance was much weaker than in the previous year's finals.It's obvious his game is declining due to age.We don't need our own version of Steve Nash,no thank you!

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Now, after all the trade dust and training camp signing is done, I'd like to see what all the so-called experts think of our latest roster? This IS heads above where we were at this....

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bebe
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Hope it's just a rumor. JC is more valuable than RA. Youth is on his side.

tense2
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Youth, in BB terms, isn't on either side, lol.

cashdld
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Sign ray Allen, then trade reddick and bullock for Jeff green.

ClipperDB
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what rumor?

itsLuigi
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I would do it. Boston already has too many guards though.

SteveBaller
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Under almost no circumstances should we trade a quality starter like JJ Redick. As a contender, our goal is to build as strong of a starting 5 as possible. That's who should be on the floor the last two minutes of a game seven. Jamal's unintelligent shot selection and ball-stopping don't belong on the floor during a game seven. Having a very good starting sf in today's NBA is also much more important than having a very good sixth man (especially when your offense is already #1 in the NBA). Don't worry though Jamal fanboys, no GM worth their salary is going to trade us a quality starting 3 for Jamal Crawford and Matt Barnes. There should still be plenty of unbelievable chucking going on next season.

fray_27
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Looks like were singing Hedo next week accosting to Hoopsrumors

FRIDAY, 4:26pm: A signing is on track to take place next week, tweets Ben Bolch of the Los Angeles Times.

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first note is ray Allen fulfills that same thing JJ reddick does, is a better defender despite his age, and more healthy. Second note, NBA champions within the last 5 years all had a sixth man, so it is important to have talent off the bench.

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I'd be fine with trading one of our SGs for a starting caliber wing... but which one depends upon who we'd get back.

JJ is a pure shooting, off-the-ball, 'system' guy, whereas Jamal is an offensive one-man wrecking crew. Both have their place, but which is more valuable is all about team balance.

I don't think there's much to choose between them as players until you show me the rest of the roster. Which one I'd keep would depend entirely on the shot-creating abilities of the replacement. For example, if we were bringing in Ray Allen, I'd say JJ was superfluous and he could net us a much better SF than we have. But bring in a SF who can get his own shot, and it's "buh-bye, Jamal".

Bottom line... they're both great offensive weapons, but we need more defense.

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Allen is a poor man's JJ Redick at this stage of his career. Would you start Ray Allen on this team? How about Jamal? Didn't think so.

If you're implying that NBA championship teams need selfish ball-stopping chuckers, you're sadly mistaken. NBA Championship teams need very good team-first starting small forwards to go up against Lebron, KD, Kawhi etc.

JJ was physically assaulted by DMC. He has had a nearly injury free career prior to being mugged by Cousins.

Our sixth man would be Jordan Farmar who is a better decision maker and a more well rounded player than Jamal.

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Seriously dude, JJ redick is great but never healthy JJ played only 32 games in the regular season in comparison to ray Allen. ALSO JJ redick played 28 minutes per game to ray Allen's 26 minutes per game. I'm sure ray Allen can hold his own if asked to start because he would be splitting minutes with Crawford preventing reducing the minutes load.

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Allen IS a poor man's Redick at this point in his career (39 years old) as Steveballer said up above. I've been saying it since the rumors started. We have literally ZERO use for Ray Allen, besides for good locker room experience/advice for young guys. Thing is, he wants a big role he said. He doesn't want to be a low minute back up. Too bad though, we have two SG's much better than him as all around players.

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Jordan farmar never has been and IMO never will be a legit 6th man just not talented enough.

I am confused by your comment are you saying we shouldn't add Allen because jamal isn't good?

I think Ray Allen would be a perfect addition and would let us swap out crawford and a pick for another SF who can defend and rebound (I think Bullock will do both of these well, for the record).

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Seriously dude, JJ redick is great but never healthy
Never healthy? 2009/10 - 82/82 games (100%) 2010/11 - 59/82 games (71%) 2011/12 - 65/66 games (98%) 2012/13 - 78/82 games (95%) 2013/14 - 35/82 games (43%) Over the last 5 seasons, JJ has appeared in 81% of his regular season games. Take out last year, where he was - as SteveBaller says - "physically assaulted" by one of the biggest guys in the league, and he's shown up for 91% of his games over his previous 4 seasons. By comparison, CP3 has played in 80% of his regular season games over the last 5 years (87% over....

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SteveBaller
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JJ Redick was physically assaulted by another player. Now you're pretending he's more likely to suffer a random injury then an almost 40 year old shooting guard...

And you're saying you'd be totally down with us starting Ray Allen? Last season, Allen had a per of 12.8 to Redick's 16.6...JJ's production and efficiency is going to remain steady or even continue to climb, whereas Ray's will inevitably continue to fall (he hasn't touched JJ's numbers in four years). Ray is now a back-up on a contender, and I'm not at all willing to discuss starting Jamal lol.

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Even though he's capable of creating his own shot, I don't think Farmar would ever force the issue enough to score as much as Jamal. If he played around 30 minutes like Jamal did last year, he'd score around 15 points as compared to Crawford's 18-19. He's certainly capable of playing the role though, just count on less shooting, more passing, and better defense.

I'm confused by your confused comment lol. I'm just saying that I believe Jamal is more expendable than JJ and that Allen should under no circumstances start for us. I agree that we should acquire Ray as a backup IF we're trading Jamal for a much needed starting 3.

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Maybe, you could make that argument in comparing JJ's numbers last year to Ray's...maybe. But to say Ray hasn't touch JJ's numbers in the last 4 years is wrong. Actually it's the other way around, lol.

Compare raw numbers and shooting efficiency numbers from those last 4 years:

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/co ... eason=2013

SteveBaller
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Maybe I should have phrased it differently- According to basketballreference it has been four years since Ray Allen had a season as good as JJ Redick had last year in terms of PER, points per game, and points per 36. Most importantly, over the last four years, JJ's numbers in these categories have been steadily improving while Ray's have been expectedly worsening. Ray had better shooting efficiency numbers in a few cases, but the big picture is one of JJ improving while Ray rides off into the sunset.

tense2
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PER is decent tool in the sabermetics box, but you must also look at FGA's per game and more importably shooting efficiency IF you're just looking at PPG/PER 36 numbers. Ray maybe declining, but up until last year his numbers (not just the WOW points numbers) were still better then JJ's is all I'm saying.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2011

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2012

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2013

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2014

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