Clippers Want Shawn Marion, But He Signs w/ Cavaliers

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ClipperKyle32
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Finally...

Clippersfan86
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Only took them 3 weeks after everyone else, despite needing him the most. If we don't get him, I'll be ticked.

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I wonder if he would be the starter...

Clippersfan86
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Not even close to a question. Offensively he's no better than Barnes/Dudley.. pretty much an offensive clone to Barnes actually. But on the defensive end he's SO much better than both. Very versatile can guard 2/3/4. Better playmaker than both. So think of a Matt Barnes who's a MUCH better defender. He still had a PER of 20 this year.

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Well, I think the Clippers can only offer him the minimum, though not sure if the other teams can offer more. Salary being equal, then he has to consider which team has the best chance to win the championship, + amount of minutes for him. With Barnes and Dudley in the fold, he would have to battle them for playing time, though Marion can also play some backup 4 I suppose.

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This isn't news. It doesn't take an insider to know that the Clippers want Marion.

Every team with an open roster spot wants Marion.

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If we do we'd def have to trade barnes.

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Marion had a 13.7 PER this last season btw, I think you might have gotten a wrong number somewhere, and I certainly don't know about him being a better playmaker than either of them really, but he is a smart and versatile defender.

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Ye I think we really need a defender like him on this team. Hopefully Ballmer and Doc can work some magic

Clippersfan86
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Yea, made a mistake. Probably looked at the wrong player. The upgrade is defensive versatility as you said.

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Lets Not Be crazy Here. The guy is still like 39 right?

JQuick32
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There would be no battle.... Marion would easily start over those two.

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Since DTS is gone we may get him.

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PER not with standing, I'd still take Marion. Still a real good defender/rebounder even at his age.

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It shouldn't be overlooked that if Jared Dudley comes to camp ready to play like he did for five years straight in Phoenix, he'd be a better starter for this team as it's constructed than last years Shawn Marion. It would absolutely be a competition in training camp for the starting job. Doc loves shooters, Blake and DJ need floor spacers, and Jared Dudley is massively better than Shawn Marion at shooting.

Marion would be a Barnes off the bench replacement. He'd be better and cost half as much. Sounds good to me.

If Dudley still has not returned to his prior form, Marion would for sure make a better starter than both him and Barnes.

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I agree that Dudley is an X-Factor. Phoenix form= starter for us. Mainly because he's such a capable shooter and spreads the floor, where as Marion/Barnes like to brick shots. Marion's one big flaw over both SF's though is he likes to go chucker mode.

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Marion isn't very good anymore, at this point Barnes is probably better. Dudley in Phoenix was better than what Marion did last year in Dallas. His adjusted on/off was really poor last year, which is uncommon for guys known for their defense, Dallas was 5 points better defensively per 100 possessions with him off the court last year, and Dallas has allowed fewer points with him off the floor each of the last 4 seasons.

Marion's usage in Dallas was also interesting, he split about evenly between PF and SF but all of his SF minutes next to Nowitzki, he didn't play minutes at SF next to a traditional interior playing PF like Griffin at all; his best work in Phoenix was also with a perimeter oriented PF in Diaw. His PER was 6 points better at PF than SF last year. He might be a bigger upgrade over Glen Davis than over Barnes/Dudley/Bullock.

I'd definitely take him because he's versatile and not completely terrible, but I don't think he's a real game changer either.

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I'm just curious how people thought Jared Dudley was a starting caliber SF before he joined us.

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If Marion wants to win a championship, then the Cavs are his best choice. But if he wants to be on a contending team and also be a starter, then the Clippers give him the best opportunity. Of course, this is all pending him being willing to take a Vet Minimum contract. We need Doc to convince him that he will be the coach that allows him to extend his career the furthest.

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Signing Marion doesn't hurt, but it's iffy at best, we don't know what we would get from him at his age, rather go after ray Allen and trade Reddick and/or dudley for starting small forward

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He started in 190 games (a significant sample size) and he had an average PER of 15 on very high fg%/3pt% over a span of five years.

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I think I'd rather have Marion than Ray Allen. I'm not sure who we can get in a trade for Dudley that would swing the difference.

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Clipper Fans: "We need to build our franchise after the Spurs model"

Rumor: Perfect Spurs type player is available who rebounds, defends, is unselfish and willing to take the minimum.

Clipper Fans: "Eeew Shawn Marion is old. We don't need any old bums on this team"

MunoValente
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Who is the last 36 year old league minimum guy that did anything for them? They have well-paid old guys that are still very good, but they don't seem to go for no upside, aging players all that much, their cheap players are generally young guys with upside.

I'm all for getting Marion, he rebounds, minimizes mistakes and can play multiple positions, so he'd be good to have around., but I don't expect him to be any kind of key missing piece either. People are talking up his defense, he's not that good of defender anymore.

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but only 1 year prior to us did he start over 75% of the games he played.

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The bottom line here is that there was absolutely NOTHING to indicate that he wouldn't average the same 12 points in 30 minutes starting for the Clippers just like he'd done starting for the Suns. If you look closely at Dudley's stats, you'll notice that his best seasons were the more recent ones in which he started in the most games. Also, consider the rather well known 'Chris Paul bump' that shooters tend to experience and (barring further injury of course) the odds are good that Jared will actually exceed his previous scoring average just like Redick did last season.

JQuick32
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Welp, we're fucked. Another year of scrub-ass Barnes and Dudley! I never thought I'd wind up missing Maggette more and more by the year....

Clippersfan86
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Welp... he's committed to the Cavs. Doc was WAY too late on this. Cleveland has been talking to him for 3+ weeks.

JQuick32
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To be honest, this is where having so much money tied up in CP3 hurts. We couldn't offer more money than Cleveland, and not many ring-chasing vets are taking less to play with someone who has never been past the second round of the playoffs and just choked in epic fashion.

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I guess we have to settle for Ray Allen.

ClipperPostman
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I'm not disappointed because I wasn't big on an old unathletic Sean Marion. I like the Sf's we have and signing a young athletic sf who can run the floor and play scrappy defense.

ClippersDA
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I wish I had your optimism. Neither of our existing small forwards is even statistically average by nba standards.

ClipperPostman
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Since when does the spurs model include signing old ass wing players? Thy constantly sign young athletic guys, which is what won them the chip, not old over the hill has been defenders.

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What statistics are you looking at? Dudley's career stats are def above average. His injury year he didn't look good at all. But if Dudley returns to his non-injury averages he is a better starter than Marion.

Again I understand clippers fans only judge players based on the one year they play here, but I tend to look at more than just one injury year to judge a players.

JQuick32
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I highly doubt Allen comes here. All he wants at this stage of his career is rings, and if you were him, would you rather stick with LeBron or take a risk on a perennial first/second round loser?

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Well they did it with Michael Finley, who helped them win a ring. Also did it with Boris Diaw who was nearly out of the league and doing horrible. Diaw isn't a wing... but they took another team's trash and turned him into a champion. Marion is the same kind of do it all, blue collar locker room leader as Diaw, although slightly less versatile.

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It won't take long to build up Dudley's value again. He needs a solid 10-15 game stretch and it'll be easy to move him. To the GMs out there, last year was an aberration for Duds.

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Yeah Ray isn't coming here, it wouldn't make sense. Pretty much Lebron or bust at this point.

Clippersfan86
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Dudley was always our best bet given his age/contract. If he comes into camp in shape and plays like he did in Phoenix, we can win it. If he comes into shape chubby and injury prone, we get smoked in round 2 again.

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Diaw's situation was more like Dudley's than Marion's, he was 29 years old, out shape and coming off his worst season. Finley was only 32 when he joined the Spurs and that was nearly 10 years ago now, once he was Marion's age he was pretty much done with them, his situation is probably more similar to what we have with Barnes, than what we would be getting with Marion.

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The odds that he comes into camp in shape seem about as good as me winning the lotto. I sympathize that he doesn't have an nba body naturally, few people do, but this guy tweets about food more than anyone I've ever seen. He also has always been a limited player due to his lack of mobility and athleticism. He is slow footed. He just doesn't fit with our style.

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Last season PER. Dudley was not playable.

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Have you seen him lately? He looks pretty slender to me so you better go get that lotto ticket.

Also he's usually tweeting about healthy food places.

Dudley sucked ass last season, but I feel that people really truly want Dudley to be bad next season for the obvious scapegoat factor.

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I think Earl Clarkis still available.

Clippersfan86
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Jared Dudley looks WAY more fit based on recent pics. Far from a gym rat, but at least not severely overweight like last season around this time. I'm going to give him another chance before I rip him. If anything we all had unrealistic expectations for a 4 mill a year role player caliber guy. He wasn't a horrid role player. The issue is we expected him to be an above average starter for a championship level team.

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Anyone have a recent photo? Will being slender help him make shoot? He laid more bricks than a bricklayer.

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Yes, being lighter will make him a more consistent shooter. You use your legs more than anything when you shoot and when you're overweight it's harder to get the right lift consistently.

Look at the best shooters of all time. Ray Allen, Reggie Miller and Steph Curry. They are all very skinny.

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I find it hard to believe that Shawn Marion would have been "the difference" between who we were last season and winning a championship this year. I've always liked the guy on and off the court, but I don't think that stocking up on over-the-hill role-players is much of an answer to our woes at SF. Besides, at almost 40 years old, he's one awkward landing away from calling it a career.

We need to be thinking about the future. Blake and DJ are just now entering their prime years, CP3 is no spring chicken... I'd rather go young at the spot with a vet like Barnes playing backup minutes. To be honest, I'm more upset that we didn't draft a prospect at SF than not getting Marion. One can only hope that Reggie makes a leap this year, though I haven't really seen much there in terms of BBIQ yet.

Looks like it's "ride or die" with Dudley for this year... which isn't the worst of worlds in my opinion. Hard to see how he could have a worse season than he did last year and we were still a top-3 team.

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Reality is he is/was our best shooting sf. In the worst season of his career, he still shot 36% from deep. Bullock and Barnes were journeyman bricklayers if you're gonna call Dudley one.

How are so many seemingly well versed fans here oblivious to the career Dudley had put together before he came here and had his first injured/bad season? It was an anomaly; an outlier. He was hurt, and as the coaching staff has mentioned, that's how he became out of shape and things kind of snowballed. He is better than ANY sf we've had in many years when healthy. He looks to finally be getting healthy. Put two and two together folks.

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Who cares.

He's too old to begin with.

Let him rot in Cleveland.

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