Jared Dudley Traded for Carlos Delfino + Miroslav Raduljica (P. 4)

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SteveBaller
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If Doc has anything resembling trust in Reggie Bullock, he didn't show it at all last season. The minutes he got he looked lost out there and he couldn't shoot. That's why Dudley was forced to play through injury.

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Reggie Bullock is injury-prone, undersized at the SF spot, and as green as the bills in Steve Ballmer's wallet.

We'll be lucky if he even matches Dudley's production from last year. Right now, the kid is a 3rd string SG on a contender - at best.

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I'm not sure why they made this trade unless they have another move on the way.

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neither do I. It reminds me of how I felt after the drafting of C.J. Wilcox. When we made that decision I assumed perhaps Doc just drafted that player with the plans of trading him, but that didn't happen and we are now stuck with a log jam of SG's. Other than waiving these guys and spreading the cost among multiple years in order to open up some cap room I don't understand this one.

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thus far it looks as if we would have been better off keeping Dudley, especially since he was reported to be in great shape. This reminds me of the Baron Davis situation where we were so angry at an underperforming player that we gave up too many assets. I hope this move doesn't hurt us

laboy
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rad is a good player...he is raw..

with docs coaching..

he will surpass dj in a few years..

thats why they got him.

he can rebound..

he can shoot

he can make free throws..

with him and hawes..

dj is expendable.. Smile

think about it???

we can trade dj for a top 10 sf if we wanted to...

or we can keep dj and we can have an army of bigs..

rad can shoot the 3..hawes too.

both are good free throw shooters..

dj and griffin are not..

we are flexible now..

so many lineups...

can go up against san antonio,memphis...oklahoma....dallas...denver...

we are looking good Smile

doc is earning his 50 mil...

now it is up to the players to get ready..

hopefully blake's game has gotten better..

and everybody has gotten doc's defense..

we will not be denied a final's appearance this year!!!!

so don't be doubting docs trades..

there is no more loser owner who blocks them..

every team is scared of the clips now...

or they should be Smile

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The suns sent a 2nd round pick to MIL and Duds to us in that deal last year. We could have just as easily sent MIL 2 2nd round picks for Redick or even a 1st and 2nd as is the final result today. And we'd still have Bled. We would have had Bled last season for 1.5mil and this season, even if he played hardball like he is with the suns, worst case scenario would be that we'd still have Bled this season for the qualifying offer....More likely we'd be in the process of an S&T for a quality SF at this point.

This trade sending Duds to MIL pretty much confirms that trade last year was a failure. We had to pay a 1st round pick just to get rid of the guy we traded Bled for a year before. Bad management and bad talent evaluation.

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No we couldn't have, we were over the cap and couldn't absorb his salary without someone absorbing Butler in the same trade. Finding someone to absorb Butler on July 2 was pretty much impossible, because nobody wanted him on their books at the start of the free agency period when good free agents were available, even if the Bucks eventually took his contract on August 29 after all the good free agents were long gone.

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All the things you call Bullock was Dudley last year while being an out of shape veteran coming into a season with expectations. Dudley was a pure disgrace and Bullock at the least has the rookie label under his inconsistency. Doc gave Dudley every chance possible because he made the trade to acquire him and made him a core member and it backfired.

To this point it says a lot about the production of Dudley in the eyes of Doc if he is gone and Bullock is still here.

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Doc needed Dudley to perform as he was sold as the glue guy for trading Bledsoe. He failed in every way possible and lost confidence in shooting. So looking lost and confused was the Jared Dudley aka Ryan Gomes special.

We will move on and be better without him.

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I going to believe Doc will have a plan and make this work. If all else fails Wilcox may be the last trade chip.

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What are you talking about? We traded Butler to Milwaukee in S&T for Redick. Redick makes 6.75mil and Butler made 8mil. We found the team who would absorb Butler and it was the Bucks. Their price was 2 2nd round picks. Instead of ponying up for both of them as we should have, we sent Bledsoe to PHO in exchange for Duds and them sending a 2nd to Bucks to compliment the one we sent.

We straight up traded Bledsoe for Jared Dudley and a 2nd round pick. Bad then and even worse now that we just pissed away the 2017 1st round pick to get rid of him.

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Muno is right we first traded butler and bledsoe together to the suns as part of a 3 team trade then the suns and bucks did a butler for second rounder trade later in the summer. I just think we jumped the gun in thinking immediately signing/trading Redick was out only option, he got paid very well by us for his production.

As for all the people ripping on Bullock, when given minutes he has shown a high ability to rebound and defend and has a nice shot. The rest is coming, I think he is going to be our sleeper to break out for us and get Barnes to a back up role where he fits best

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Still a ton of people who have formed a completely inaccurate false narrative around Dudley for whatever reason. Dudley is a proven player who had played six good years before having his first INJURED season. HE WAS INJURED, and as coach Dave Severns said, that's exactly why he wasn't working out and why he gained weight before and during the season. That's how you heal tendinis: you stay off the knee as much as possible. Those framing Dudley as some sort of scrub need to look over his seven year body of work to reach more accurate conclusions. Doc said that Dudley would have been sat out to heal his knee if he had anyone else who could play the 3 (so obviously not Bullock). Watching Dudley and Bullock last year was no comparison in terms of their IQ and ability: Dudley was better than him at literally everything besides the expected difference in foot speed. The talent evaluation conducted on Dudley last summer was spot on. His 4.25M contract was considered a great deal as it should have been for his proven talent and production. His tendinitis only formed AFTER we had traded for him. We traded a one year rental in Bledsoe who we were absolutely NOT going to be able to sign this off season to the $17M contract he's been insisting on. Wasn't going to happen. We got two starters for Chris Paul's back up and Caron's bad contract. I'd rather have a healthy Jared Dudley playing solid efficient basketball for $4M vs Eric Bledsoe at $17M. We should all be even more glad we traded him now after seeing how delusional he is about his own value even after he missed most of last season injured. Have fun with that Phoenix.

MunoValente
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Moving Dudley gets us $3 million more under the hard cap (caused by us using the non-tax payer MLE on Hawes and BAE on Farmar), moving Bullock would get us at most $1.2 million. Moving Dudley lets us sign up to 3 more players, Bullock only 1.

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^^ all I can say is agree to disagree. He was traded for peanuts for a reason.

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Because it was a stupid trade for Doc to do. We should have held onto him for at least a few months into the season so he could likely rebuild his trade value. Then we'd have had two good options: keep him and start him since he's playing like himself again, or trade him for better value then we just got. Doc's a better coach than GM I think most would agree.

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I think many of us aren't used to the kind of moves teams over the cap like this have to make, but more so in this new CBA Era with the hard cap and all the restrictions.

We needed to fill roster spots as their is a minimum required (13 players, we only had 12). The was really no other reasonable player on the roster that could accomplish this. Either their contract didn't work or they just aren't a player we trade for scraps and cap relief.

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I don't understand this trade at all. Dudley was mediocre last season but he has shown that he can be a competent SF when healthy. This seems like a lateral move at best AND were throwing in a 1st rounder to make matters worse. I just don't get it.

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Would you say then that he demonstrated he was a bad GM by both trading for Dudley and trading him away? I ask because doc really doesn't have that many more deals to judge him by.

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I think the biggest issue is trading low and then giving up a first round draft pick in addition, despite the circumstances, there's little to support this being a "good" move and a lot saying it was bad since were seemingly dumping the guys we got. We weren't necessarily hard pressed to make a move yet, we could have waited and then shed salary later before penalties were to hit, but what is done is done.

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In order to release people with the stretch provision, it needs to happen by August 31. So dumping for cap space after that would require a team with actual cap space and there aren't a whole lot of those right now and the ones that do exist probably don't want someone under contract next year.

It might also be that guys like Udoh and CDR have interest in other teams and we need to act to get them while we can.

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Rookie excuse or not, Dudley the disgrace - even injured - still well outperformed Bullock at his very best.

My point is that anybody who thinks this kid can handle major minutes at SF on a contending team is fooling themselves. Too many years of Clips fans falling in love with rookie potential because that's all we had to be positive about.

This trade had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with salary... they were both sh*t, but Bullock was worse. I like the way Dudley was a "disgrace", but you very charitably call Bullock "inconsistent", when actually he was very consistent... consistently BAD!

The difference is that getting rid of Bullock would have gained us nothing whereas trading Dudley bought us a tiny bit of roster/cap flexibility for later in the season (and even then, only if we waive/stretch the guys we got). The question is, was it worth it? Right now, most people in the know are saying "no", giving the trade a 'D' grade for the Clips and an 'A-' for the Bucks. If Barnes gets hurt in camp again, that grade will only get worse.

A lot of people are letting their Dudley-hate cloud their judgement. I only hope that Doc isn't one of them and that he has something else in the works to clean up this mess at the 3-spot.

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That Is a lot of money for a rookie that will not help you that much, if at all.. We could get a player for the veterans minimum for as much as we are paying Wilcox.....

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^ The pick is for 2017. There's no telling what we will be able to afford 3 years from now. Nobody even has a clue what the cap will be after the new national TV deal gets done.

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Actually, I'm hoping it turns out the complete opposite of the Baron situation. Back then, we shed a bad contract, saved some cap and actually got a productive player back... the trade just got worse with hindsight after our pick ended up being 1st overall.

This one looks like a stinker from the get-go... maybe it'll get better with time.

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So we gave away a 1st round pick in 2017 in order save 1million dollars on the cap in 2017-2018. OK now I got it.

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Was trading the pick the best idea? I would say no. It's okay to give constructive criticism to moves the team makes. Key word is constructive of course, so it's fine. Pick could have been packaged in a more substantial deal for example.

Maybe the FO makes moves that pacify this, hopefully they do.

The trade is actually better if the guys are kept as healthy Delfino is good and at worst Raduljica can be packaged in another deal. As of now, We traded a first round pick to possibly sign minimum bottom of the barrel FA's though.

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This theory only makes sense if Doc wanted to use him in the rotation. The only way we could build his trade value is to play him significant minutes. IT would make more sense to trade him now and bring in a SF that can actually practice and play the entire season in the system instead of just inserting someone in before the playoffs.

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Go easy on Bullock. He was a late first round pick who got very few opportunities to play. When he started looking like there might be something there, he got hurt.

We have no idea what he will be. This year and next will tell the tale on Reggie Bullock as we see what kind of work he puts in in the off season and if he's improved himself enough to earn a rotation spot.

The bottom line is, nothing was expected of him and he was a little better than advertised, showing flashes that he might be able to have a career in the league. For a guy drafted as late as he was, that's all you can expect. We will see if he's a different player this fall. But for now, no one can honestly anoint him as a future star or dismiss him as a bust. He had an average year for a young player competing for minutes on an excellent team.

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I have no problem with Bullock per se... just with him getting meaningful minutes, out of position, on a squad that is supposed to be a contender.

In a couple of years, who knows how much he might improve, but he is not a starting small-forward on a good team as some here think he should be. He is not even a backup small-forward on a good team. To be honest, I'm not even very comfortable with him being a 3rd-string small-forward on a good team, but I could live with that if we have a couple of guys ahead of him who can be relied upon.

Truth is, even if Delfino were fully healthy and Barnes was a few years younger, the 3-spot would still be our weakest link. With Carlos' foot problems, we have the worst small-forward rotation in the entire league as of right now... the very position that the last two league MVP's and last year's finals MVP occupy. They are the players who are stopping us getting beyond the second round.

Bullock should be battling with Wilcox in practice for garbage minutes at shooting-guard. If Doc is expecting him to split minutes with Barnes checking the Durants, LeBrons and Leonards of the league, we are in trouble.

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does anybody know if delfino is done or if he will be playing in december?

bullock has not played enough to be called a bust..

and rad has only played one year in the nba..

all 3 could work out..

you guys need to chill..

and let doc operate..

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IDC how silly this trade might appear on the outside looking in. JD is gone and I'm loving it.

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if moving Dudley means we'll have the money to resign DJ, then am all for it.... if trading away first round picks signals that we don't have anyone in our front office w/an eye for talent, that signals, to me at least, that we need to bring in someone that does, and.... reassign some of the heads that Doc put in this last interim/lame duck period.

am also excited to have five quality bigs.... we need to think playoffs.... if Radu can bang, it's a plus.

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I think I know how you feel. I felt the same way when we dealt Baron... like: "ANYONE is better that THAT bum!".

But I suspect I'd have felt a little differently if Mo Williams had shown up minus a foot.

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Trading for Dudley and Redick was a smart move that showed Doc was looking ahead, not just at a player we would only have for one more season (Bledsoe). You already know how I feel about Doc salary dumping Dudley. Mullens, Jamison, and Hollins were all bad signings, even for minimum.

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Of course Doc would have played Dudley if he's as healthy and fit as reports indicate. Normal condition Dudley is >>>>>> last year's Dudley. He's also superior to Barnes which is why Doc started him for the first part of last season before the extent of his injury/limitations had become clear.

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Actually he's a minus... as in minused from the team.

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Los Angeles Clippers will release Miroslav Raduljica on Friday morning, league sources tell RealGM. Raduljica had two years left on deal.

4:59 PM - 28 Aug 2014

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Can't operate a team based on emotions. Now the FO guys certainly weren't doing this on emotions, they were doing it because of the need for a minimum amount of players. That said, I'm still skeptical as to whether it was worth getting rid of a first round pick to sign minimum guys.

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Why cut Rad we still have to pay and have roster spots open.

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I think we'll see some moves made tomorrow once we officially waive Rad and Delphino. My guess is that CDR is signed by tomorrow night.

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I feel like we could have gotten a second round pick out of Raduljica, should have gotten a third team involved and tried to get something like that at least.

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I have to say I actually like CDR I saw him on the bobcats last year and to be honest he's a hustle guys who plays solid D. His offense is a bit streaky but I honestly like him and his haircut is funny to see too

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yup, but one thing both trades had in common is that we didn't trade equally. We threw in a draft pick to entice someone to take our garbage. We just should have been patient in both cases. Never give up more than u need to.

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Completely agree. That's why I mentioned "cash considerations" on another thread as an alternative incentive to get them to take Duds, and I agree with Agent that we could have probably got a second rounder for Raduljica instead of just buying him out of his contract.

It's one thing for the FO to have Ballmer's money at their disposal, but they have to use it wisely. That's two more picks we could have had as trade sweeteners for just a little extra cash.

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well I guess what we can say to feel better about the loss of the pick is that given Doc's draft history he may have drafted another odd choice. Too late now we just gotta hope we net some good players in return

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Doc has been a mediocre GM so far at best. Hope he proves me wrong but the moves he has made are making me scratch my head.

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The one silver lining was that MAYBE Doc was grabbing our 5th big in an under the radar Euro on a rookie contract. MAYBE he watched a lot of tape and saw some potential in this kid. Legit size and at least he looks coordinated on highlight tapes.

But no. I don't get it. We want to sign another C, why not give the kid a shot? He makes no money and if he ends up doing well we'd have control of him for another season before restricted free agency.

Even admittedly knowing nothing about Raduljica, I'd rather have him at the end of the bench vs. Udoh. Nothing against Udoh, it's just he is what he is and he's not going to improve dramatically...Most likely won't factor in much this season. Raduljica is a legit 7ft. 2nd year guy who seems to have physical tools to improve. If he goes to a west team and turns into Pek/Vuc, Doc needs to fire himself as GM.

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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/clip ... ljica.html

Marginally better than I thought. The stretch is actually for 5 years (not 3), so we're only carrying 20% of their combined total guaranteed salary of $4,750,000 for each of the next 5 years with the cap set to take a big jump in 2 years.

Looks like the non-guaranteed YEARS count when stretching, but not the non-guaranteed SALARY. That seems a bit weird and unfavorable to the players, but I guess it's better for us right now.

A little under $5million spread over 5 years versus paying Dudley $9,500,000 over the next 2 years (because he also had playoff bonuses due).

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Clips have enough room to sign 3 or 4 players. I'd take Udoh, CDR, and Sessions. Leave one spot open.

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