Jared Dudley Traded for Carlos Delfino + Miroslav Raduljica (P. 6)

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Icecoldclipper
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Starting to believe Doc never even considered scouting and seeing if the guy could contribute. What a wasted opportunity and yet we sign Hedo just to sit.

SteveBaller
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^^^^totally agree. I like almost everything about Raduljica's game. Kinda slow, but otherwise, he's good and skilled. He would have provided a certain level of insurance for us too in case DJ jumps ship next summer. Not saying he could have started, but between Hawes and him that's a pretty nice pair of centers.

Agent0
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I just feel like we could have at least looked to get a third team involved and ship him there and get something in return.

Icecoldclipper
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With Turk and CDR both coming on board I have to believe the last spot goes to a a vet PG with Paul and Farmar being injury prone.

Will leave a spot open in case something happens hopefully he uses the spot this season. A long defensive big would be nice to have stashed just in case with Udoh or Brand.

ClipSince7thGrade
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There are really good ones out there but not all of them have the type of experience Rando has. John W., Damian L., Russell W., and even CP3 are all elite point guards that have no rings. Rondo does have a ring and out of all the elite PGs out there he's the only one who does as far as I know.

There are still top tier teams out there that could definitely use upgrades at the PG spot. Houston, Minnesota, and New York will all probably be interested in Rondo if he were to hit the open market. Why not make those teams pay instead of getting him for free

ClipSince7thGrade
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Chris Douglas-Roberts

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I keep seeing CDR, Hedo, and Udoh. There's also rumblings about Jamal Franklin being release from the Grizz, and I know a bunch of people here wanted us to draft him.

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I'd definitely take a flyer on Franklin. I was one of those you though we should of drafted him in the late 1st round before Reggie, although I still think Reggie will turn out to be a useful player.

laboy
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rad at 1.5 mil was a bargain..

cannot believe we let him go!!!

cheap ass move..

its going to come back and bite us in the ass..

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Yeah... stupid skinflint Ballmer!

It's as if every team in the league were bound by some sort of "salary cap" or something. If I owned the team, I'd have like 150 players and pay them all the max.

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lmfao your too much bro.

ms_davis
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so from I see online, we're re-signing Turkoglu and close to signing Chris Douglas-Roberts. i can't post the links to the articles i read on yahoo sports because i haven't done enough posts. lol

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Clippers signed Deandre Liggins.

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Another SG, why? Or can he play the 3 also?

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idk. But I saw this info at hoopshype.com

Jerediscool
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its to a camp deal. He basically is trying out for the team, nothing guaranteed abut this signing.

MunoValente
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Looking at Liggins 5 man lineups at 82games from his 12/13 season with the Thunder, it mostly lists him at SG, but it also lists Kevin Martin as SF in those lineups, which I think is wrong, Liggins is shorter, but much more solidly built than Martin. Liggins gets about 6 rebounds per 36 for his NBA career, which is more line with SF than SG.

Liggins was D-League DPOY last year, so worth a look if he can defend at both SF and SG.

Agent0
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Camp deals are always fun. Let the guy go all out and see if there's anything there. Liggins doesn't have much NBA data (406 minutes, 57 games), but the little data he has from both the NBA and D-League say that he's a bit turnover prone, good at getting steals, good rebounder as a guard, and not a scorer (8.2 pts/36 in NBA, 12.9 pts/36 D-League). Obviously he's a guy being looked at in terms of defense and rebounding as a wing.

Limited NBA per 36 numbers:

8 pts / 6 rebs / 2 assists / 2 stl / 2 tov / 46.6% FG / 30.4% 3PT / 48.6% FT

Relevant D-League data:

35.4% 3PT / 4.7 3PA per 36 / 4.4 APG / 2.2 SPG / 2.8 TPG / 6.7 rebs per 36 / 12.9 pts per 36 / 75.5% FT

So he can steal the ball, that's for sure, and the D-League gave him a DPOY which should imply he can at least defend well. Shooting is very unknown / not impressive. 35.4% 3PT on 302 3PA in his 2 year D-League career is not special, but it's not the worst. Seems like he has some passing ability and based on previous positions played as well as playing PG in D-League, handling ability, but with almost 3 TPG, you're not having him do much of that in the NBA on teams where you'll have guys like Paul, Blake, Jamal, even Farmar.

If his defense is actually good for the NBA level and he can be an okay 3PT shooter, you can keep him on as 3rd SF/SG (or 4th if Reggie is considered a SF) I suppose. Seems like the classic case of the guy who is versatile but inefficient and needs to find an off-ball game (and shooting) to be useful in the NBA because there were too many guys better than him with the ball that you just don't opt to put the ball in his hands over them. He's an all defense type of wing who might just be one solid NBA offensive skill (usually it is spot up shooting) away from at least being an NBA bench player.

The highlight of his NBA career:

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With his off the court issues, and that is putting it lightly, I would not even consider signing this kid to the actual roster. Any talent aside, you want to maintain the high character locker room that we have. Pass and keep looking.

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Clippers sign Ekpe Udoh to one year deal per yahoo sports

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clips signed udoh. its on bleacher report. don't have enough posts to put up article

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#Clippers sign Ekpe Udoh to vet minimum deal, source confirms. @Marc J. Spears was first.

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Dan Woike @DanWoikeSports about 5 minutes ago

#Clippers also will sign Chris-Douglas Roberts today, per league source.

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Yes!! Hopefully NO Turkogolu! All we need now is another pg

Mistwell
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Turkoglu's salary + Raduljica's stretch provision price is more than what Raduljica would have been paid. Why oh why didn't we keep Raduljica?

ClipperDodger1214
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Apparently you didn't watch much of Turk last year. He was pretty good for us right until he got hurt. He's an insurance policy in case someone like Davis goes down. I'm sorry, but there's no guarantee that Raduljica would produce like that.

Mistwell
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I watched Turk and he was not "pretty good" for us, he was vaguely adequate. Meanwhile Raduljica is producing better than that right now. Watch FIBA.

clipperboy24
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Turk was fine as a spot role player but for the same money I think rad would have been worth the risk. He seems like he has some upside and is a good ft shooter

laboy
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rad is young...26 i think...

the bucks got him from europe...it was his first year in the nba..

how do you think he will do???

he is going to get better...

he will become a great back up center...maybe even a starter someday..

he has good shooting skills and offensive rebounding is good...

he has a future,where turkaloo is old ...sure he can play some minutes...

but this guy was a steal for 1.5 mil..

could have signed him for 3 or 4 years,

he looks better than the back up centers we have had in the past..

he can even shoot 3's..

and he makes 80% free throws..

tense2
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Actually Turk will cost us less towards the cap hit. $916 instead of the 1.5 mil to Rad. I liked Rad though....oh well.

laboy
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we did not need another power forward..

we have blake and big baby and hawes could fill in too..

we need another center..

one that will go in there and get rebounds...

and can shoot and has a good free throw percentage...

If dj does not have an offensive game this year???

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Why would DJ need an offensive game? Clearly we don't need an offensive

Center in the starting lineup when we are the #1 offense in the game.

The question isn't if another center has a better offense than DJ, the question is are they going to score 10ppg as efficiently as DJ. There is not enough shots for a Starting Center on the clips to score more than 10-12ppg.

Hawes is a Center. Udoh is a Center. Rad is unproven and you are going off pure fantasy and speculation and no hard concrete evidence.

SteveBaller
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I'm with Postman on DJ not needing more of an offensive game. If DJ suddenly develops any go-to post moves he'll be leaving next summer for max money. I'm hoping he instead wallows in offensive mediocrity. Very Happy

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What? That clearly makes no sense. Having a center that has an offensive game gives the offense more options. It keeps the defense more honest instead of hedging off a center that can basically guide a ball into the basket. In case you didn't see the playoffs, those easy transition buckets where DJ gets a lot of points were few and far between. You can never have enough offense. How was DJ's efficient 10ppg in the playoffs? How about his defensive and rebounding prowess against a center in the playoffs? Sorry, while we had the best offense in the regular season, playoff teams hone in on what makes you successful and that's where players like DJ should do more. So you ask, why would DJ need a offensive game? Cause in the playoffs he basically disappears on both sides of the court. Anything extra helps.

clipperboy24
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But you have to add in rad's salary from the stretch provision and its like a $200k difference. I just think we have enough guys who will be tossing up 3 pointers this year especially with Hawes.

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that we do, which is why I was always calling for defense during the offseason. Between hawes, farmar, redick, and Jamal we will probably be the best shooting team in the league. Adding guys like Udoh gave us some different skill sets. Even though Udoh isn't a lock down defender his defense is considered by most accounts decent or serviceable, and that gives us versatility as cleepers pointed out Udoh and DJ can do the defensive patrolling while Griffin and Hawes score.

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Udoh should add a good element. Tbh the on person that doesn't really seem to fit in now is big baby. Since his offense is only decent, he is an average rebounder and mediocre defender, I wonder how he will fit into rotations.

I do like the idea of switching defense and offensive front lines at the end of the game. Seems like all good teams have that option, and now we do!

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It clearly makes no sense? Then why did Doc tell DJ he won't call any plays for him whatsoever? Doc told him don't worry about offense and Get better at defense...

OKC played Blake straight up with Ibaka didn't need to double or really hedge so what are you talking about? How does having an "offensive center" help that? DJ didn't score much in that series because of that exact reason. Ibaka was owning Blake and didn't draw a double team.

DJ's Defense was solid against OKC in 4/6 games. We didn't lose because of offense. We loss the series because no wing defense which allowed Durant and Westbrook a free pass to the lane.

A center with "Better offense" would not have helped us win that series. So again your point doesn't make any sense (as usual). DJ having better offense does not help this team win in the playoffs.

MunoValente
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There is evidence he's good, his per minute numbers last year were good, predraft the year he was eligible he was considered a first round talent, but was passed on because of contract/management issues, he was good in Europe, he's playing well in the current FIBA tournament and starting over Krstic who was a good NBA player. Everything points to him being a decent player.

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Jordan does have a good offensive game; he's an elite offensive rebounder, he's an elite finisher at the basket, he's fairly good protecting the ball, he's pretty good at setting picks and he's good at the receiving pick and rolls. He's got an elite skill set as a supporting, off the ball player on offense, even if he's not good as a go to scorer, but we already good go to scorers, so that is fine, only one guy can have the ball at a time. Most of his career Jordan has been better on offense than defense.

As for the playoffs he shot 73% and averaged over 3 offensive rebounds a game this year, sound pretty good to me.

tense2
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Yes, yes and yes.

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/129-deandre-jordan

laboy
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does dj have a one on one game?????

can he shoot from 4 feet away?

does he have a post up move?

what was his free throw percentage??

has he improved over the summer?

or is he just smoking doobies???

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Jordan has some of the best stats in the regular season, but he's been getting eaten alive by real centers in the playoffs the last few years. I wish the West was made up of David Lee's and Jermaine O'neal's at the Center position, but it's not. He finally had a chance to show his stuff this year and he made Steven Adams look like an All-Star.

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How much of his offensive boards and 73% shooting was in the GS series (no center), in the playoffs?

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Cause Doc knew he had no offense. lol

You honestly think if DJ had any offense, Doc would waste it on him by just having him rebound? Think about it.

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sz123456 wrote:
Jordan has some of the best stats in the regular season, but he's been getting eaten alive by real centers in the playoffs the last few years. I wish the West was made up of David Lee's and Jermaine O'neal's at the Center position, but it's not. He finally had a chance to show his stuff this year and he made Steven Adams look like an All-Star.

He had two bad games against OKC both where he picked up a bunch of cheap fouls that forced him to hold back or kept him on the bench.

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How much of his offensive boards and 73% shooting was in the GS series (no center), in the playoffs?

Against OKC he shot 69% and averaged 2.5 offensive rebounds a game, but his minutes were down in that series compared to Golden State due to foul trouble.

His problems in the playoffs weren't offense, it was fouls and defensive consistency against OKC.

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fair enough but he still was a no-show when he had actual centers against him.

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Icant figure out your writing style is there a reason for the haiku like pattern?

laboy
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haiku pattern probably comes from my buddhist meditations.. Smile

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DJ vs OKC:

6.7 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 69% FG, 21.1% FT (3.2 FTA)

He had a 0 pt game in game 5 but had 7+ pts in all the other games, so he averaged 8 ppg in the other games. FT shooting was atrocious. If he shot 50% FT he would have averaged 1 more PPG. He made 0.7/3.2 FTA. 50% would have been 1.6/3.2. His FT shooting is killer. Technically, 50% FT shooting, 1-2 more pts at a certain point in one of those last two games could have changed the outcome.

Realistically, he was 0/0 and 1/2 in those games and his terrible FT shooting 1/7 and 1/8 occurred in both the wins, so it actually didn't hurt the team in terms of win/loss. That said, of course it would be nice if he could shoot FT's better.

Part of the value of Hawes is that balance. Also Udoh gives the team and option for a good pick and roll defender and rim protector who can make FT's. So if you have to take DJ out, you don't lose rim protection and defense like you did last season if you put Udoh in.

You're making your roster compliment itself. You have weaknesses, but you have ways to adjust and before the opposition can take advantage of for example Hawes not being as adept at pick and roll defense, you bring the other guy back and change their looks.

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