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Post subject: Bonus for Baron
 Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:10 AM PST
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| With contracts sealed in concrete like they are this may not be possible but if I were Management, I'd try best to give BD a bonus or something maybe a mill. He really got screwed and he's a straight up guy. It would cement his loyalty. It would also show we aren't victims and we do thie right thing even when not asked |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:13 AM PST
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| Yea I give Davis alot of props for not bitching that he got screwed by Elton brand's manipulation. If i was Baron i would seriously diss Elton hard on live tv. F*** Elton couldn't you have at least said hey im sick of losing in LA??? But sh** dont just bail on us and make up bullshit excuses as to why you left! |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:17 AM PST
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| The best bonus for Davis would be to solidify the PF. |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:20 AM PST
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| Problem is all you guys seem to think Oh we will just swing a deal for Okafor or for Josh Smith. The fact is getting all-star caliber RESTRICTED free agents is damn near impossible. People are saying go for Smith but i think Okafor is hands down a better fit in west coast pf position. Also Okafor makes it clear he wants to leave.. but Smith never implied he wants to leave. Again.. getting either of these 2 would be great but stop planning for it guys. |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:27 AM PST
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| No Bonus...for what? Brand recruited him. Baron gave his blessing to leave. I understand what you are saying but you don't give a bonus for another's insincere actions and use it as a consolation prize . You give it out because he earned it or maybe out of guilt and if that is the case then I think some blame should go to the FO. At this moment, I don't believe they did anything wrong. Baron got the contract he was looking for and I am sure he has 65 million reasons to get over this little bump in the road. |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:33 AM PST
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| Actually i would say a great point guard is MUCH more valuable than a great PF. So your right... both being 29 and coming over injuries may be overpayed. BUT Baron should be payed more than Elton if we get technical. Brand just signed for 82 million over 5 while baron signed for 65 over 5. Do the math. Any true basketball fan knows Point guard and center are hands down the most important positions on the court. Good news is honestly i WOULD take Baron for Brand.. cause we needed a point guard.. but losing 22 ppg from maggette will be a huge loss... good news is Thornton is going to be a much more complete player than Maggette. |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:34 AM PST
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| Hey I heard Davis was on tv showing text messages from that other guy stating he would be coming back. Press is eating it up. Try not to stutter next time you talk in public you traitor. |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:37 AM PST
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Solidifying the PF doesn't have to mean pay huge money to a RFA. If the Clippers can find a deal for a solid veteran, then they do it. Worst case scenario, star Powell next to Kaman with Thomas and Fazekas off the bench. If Powell has any talent, Baron will sure bring it out; good PG's do that.
The good thing about cap space (besides being able to offer it to FA's) is you can also absorb salary and send back a trade exception. The Bobcats got Jason Richardson's contract for rookie Branden Wright. The salaries did not match, but Charlotte had cap space, so they sent a trade exception to the Warriors (which they let expire).
Also remember the Gasol trade. The Grizzlies got back Kwame Brown's expiring contract, but he was really just a 7 foot, 280 pound trade exception they purposely let expire. The Clippers should look for a smart deal, not necesarily a FA signing. Players to consider would be Colison, Verajao, Abdur-Rahim, or any bigman playing on a team looking to shed contracts. |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:37 AM PST
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| 21 ppg and 8 assists per game will eventually lead to alot more victories than elton's 20 ppg and 10 boards. You guys forget 1 thing.. Yes we were hurt by the guy, but Elton never was a true leader and he never has had a killer instinct to win like Baron Davis has proven he has. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:37 AM PST
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MrB wrote:
Hey I heard Davis was on tv showing text messages from that other guy stating he would be coming back. Press is eating it up. Try not to stutter next time you talk in public you traitor.
What station? |
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:39 AM PST
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| I agree... going for a big name PF is too much expectations right now. Us clipper's fans are acting like a guy trying to rebound from a breakup! like you were saying a cheaper, veteran PF could work wonders. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:54 AM PST
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Clippersfan86 wrote:
I agree... going for a big name PF is too much expectations right now. Us clipper's fans are acting like a guy trying to rebound from a breakup! like you were saying a cheaper, veteran PF could work wonders.
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Post subject: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:02 AM PST
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| It doesn't seem like the Clips are gonna be throwing money at smith or okafor any time soon. Hope we see some more moves done soon. We can't be done. Can we. Are we gonna wait until next year?! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:03 AM PST
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We've been through a dismal season with no PF and no PG. A healthy (knock on wood) Davis, Kaman, Thorton, Mobley assures that this season will NOT be mediocre (and obviously not a playoff lock). The truth is we'll be lucky to chase an 8th seed even with Smith or Okafor, so might as well wait for a better deal.
jarca, I know that you're worried the team will go back to their old ways of pretending to try and not really going after free-agents. But they just signed Baron. They tried signing you-know-who. They've signed Thomas and Mobley and extended Kaman and, of course, brought in Coach who has made sure management does not slack off. They don't need to mortagage their financial future out of panic. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:04 AM PST
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| Why would it be mediocre? Thornton easily replaces maggette as a starting 3.. and is an overall improvement. Tremendous defense and also an athletic slasher. And i would take an all star point guard with a killer instinct over a PF (Elton brand). See Brand averages 20 and 10 ish... Baron averaged 21 ppg and 8 assists last year. I dont compute a loss really. Then you add Eric Gordon and Cat filling up the 2.. thats plenty of offense. Kaman will only get better so if anything we MAY be a better team this yea man. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:07 AM PST
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| Brand simply DID NOT have a killer instinct to win that Baron does. Any clippers fan that felt he did is in denial. Ive been a Clippers fan 9 years and saw Elton maybe take over 5 games. Ive seen Baron davis lead bigtime comebacks and hit many game winners,including in the playoff's for Golden state. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:09 AM PST
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Clippersfan86 wrote:
Why would it be mediocre? Thornton easily replaces maggette as a starting 3.. and is an overall improvement. Tremendous defense and also an athletic slasher. And i would take an all star point guard with a killer instinct over a PF (Elton brand). See Brand averages 20 and 10 ish... Baron averaged 21 ppg and 8 assists last year. I dont compute a loss really. Then you add Eric Gordon and Cat filling up the 2.. thats plenty of offense. Kaman will only get better so if anything we MAY be a better team this yea man.
HMMMMM!!!! we play in the west where all playoff team is complimented by all star guard/all star center/forward combo And you're defending on Kaman of all people. He's a complimentary big men at best. Oh yeah, you guys are banking too much on "oh my back hurts" mobley and unproven broken wrist gordon. Be realistic. It's ok. to be optimistic but unrealistically optimistic is just flat out delusional |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:11 AM PST
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Clippersfan86 wrote:
Brand simply DID NOT have a killer instinct to win that Baron does. Any clippers fan that felt he did is in denial. Ive been a Clippers fan 9 years and saw Elton maybe take over 5 games. Ive seen Baron davis lead bigtime comebacks and hit many game winners,including in the playoff's for Golden state.
once you start putting too much loads in his back, his back problem might relapse again |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:15 AM PST
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| Ok Jarca maybe you missed the number's this year but Kaman is a top 5 center hands down. Dont get me wrong nowday's center's blow but comon. Maybe your delusional??? Kaman averaged 18 points and nearly 13 boards in the west coast!!!!! get f***in real dude. dont even start on that or i can point out how he averaged almost 2 blocks per game as well. You also say that Baron's back is bad (it used to be). He has played in almost all games last 2-3 seasons. Show some faith in your team even when **** hits the fan. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:16 AM PST
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| Oh btw. First 20-30 games i think i remember Kaman averaging a ridiculous amount of rebounds, like 14.3 and leading the league... second half of season numbers went down. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:18 AM PST
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| Btw misread on the back thing. I thought i saw Baron not Mobley. Eh... Mobley is injured alot but he's like 33 years old... also all he does is play good d and shoot the ball.. not the most important piece on the team. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:18 AM PST
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Clippersfan86 wrote:
Ok Jarca maybe you missed the number's this year but Kaman is a top 5 center hands down. Dont get me wrong nowday's center's blow but comon. Maybe your delusional??? Kaman averaged 18 points and nearly 13 boards in the west coast!!!!! get f***in real dude. dont even start on that or i can point out how he averaged almost 2 blocks per game as well. You also say that Baron's back is bad (it used to be). He has played in almost all games last 2-3 seasons. Show some faith in your team even when **** hits the fan.
actually he average 15 is 12 boards. It's good for a complimentary big men but for the amount of touches he got that's average. Tyson Chandler has similar number with less touches |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Bonus for Baron
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:20 AM PST
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| I have to agree with Clippersfan86, Kaman was averaging sick numbers against double and triple teams. Having Barond can only make things easier for Kaman and everyone else on the floor. |
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