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Post subject: Clippers should make an offer to the "Machine"
 Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 11:40 AM PST
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| While we are figuring out if we can find a PF, we need to think also about rounding out our roster. Having a deep bench is just as important as starters if you want to have a successful season and playoffs. Signing a player like Biedrins, who is actually more well rounded as a player than Smith or Okafor, saves enough money to build a well rounded roster. Which brings us to the "Machine". It's possible we could sign Sasha Vujacic to an offer sheet that the Lakers might not match. The Lakers only have a couple of roster spot available. They have made a trade offer to the Kings that would be a 2 for 1. They have also extended invites to Sun Yue and Jorge Garbajosa to work on deals. That would eat up 3 roster spots. Many feel they won't match to bring back Ronny Turiaf. They might not match for Sasha either. That would be a mistake. Sasha was the guy who either kept them in games or brought them back into games in the 4th quarter by raining 3's. You can never have to many shooters. Sasha can and has played PG, so he could play both positions in a backup role for us. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the "Machine&a
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 11:43 AM PST
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| Well they are already 5 mill over the luxury tax. Not to mention adding artest and kennys contract would be another 1. If you were to offer sasha more than mle you could have him. They still have theres. And by going over it they wont be able to sign someone like posey if they sign the machine back. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the "Machi
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 11:51 AM PST
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| Well I'm a lakers fan here and I'd like to say this: If you are going to offer Sasha the whole MLE, you're gonna waste your money Clips! He's not even worth that much. I love Sasha but he's really worth around 3.5 million.. |
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Post subject: Yeah
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:01 PM PST
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while we get our PF situation settled out, we need to start preliminary discussions with the role players:
Najera
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Miquel
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Post subject: RE: Yeah
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:08 PM PST
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| My question is: why do we want Vujacic if we already have Cat and Eric Gordon in the same position? I don't understand... |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the "M
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:08 PM PST
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noname24 wrote:
Well I'm a lakers fan here and I'd like to say this: If you are going to offer Sasha the whole MLE, you're gonna waste your money Clips! He's not even worth that much. I love Sasha but he's really worth around 3.5 million..
I completely agree! Sasha is not worth that much. He doesn't play defense and he's only stepped up his game this year (contract year!). |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the &am
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:15 PM PST
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| Never been a big fan either. Would be a gamble but maybe picking up some cheap younger contracts with potential may work out to fill the bench, with our vets helping them out along the way. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the &am
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:21 PM PST
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| Well I never said anything about the MLE, and we don't have our MLE available anyway. 3-4 Mil sounds more like it. Cat and Eric are scheduled to be our SG's. Baron will start at the point. That leaves us with Knight as his backup. Sasha can out shoot Knight everyday of the week and Sunday. We should have never even signed Knight to a two year deal. Cat's contract is over after the season after next and is not likely to be resigned. Sasha is young and if you could tie him up for 5years 20 Mil, it would be a good investment. Anyways, the Clips have been dangling Cat's contract as trade bait. If Cat is gone, then who is our second SG? Shaun? |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the &am
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:26 PM PST
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| Oh I forgot, with the game on the line in the 4th quarter, guess who Coach Jackson has on the floor, his starters? No, he puts Sasha out there with Kobe to seal the deal. Jackson has more confidence in Sasha than any other shooter he has other than Kobe. In fact, Kobe puts up forced shots while triple teamed. Sasha just spots up and nails it. He has ice water in his veins. If you are down 1 point with 3 seconds to go, I would give the ball to Sasha. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the &am
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:30 PM PST
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| If we can get him for what he's worth then I guess he would definitely help out the team. I guess cause he's a Laker I was a bit biased toward him lol. But he did have some great shots in the finals. His D is suspect though. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the &am
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:36 PM PST
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| Was not talking about our mle speaking of theirs. They will match all low offers. We prob will talk to him. But i doubt he will sign |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the &am
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 12:53 PM PST
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JamFan wrote:
Well I never said anything about the MLE, and we don't have our MLE available anyway. 3-4 Mil sounds more like it. Cat and Eric are scheduled to be our SG's. Baron will start at the point. That leaves us with Knight as his backup. Sasha can out shoot Knight everyday of the week and Sunday. We should have never even signed Knight to a two year deal. Cat's contract is over after the season after next and is not likely to be resigned. Sasha is young and if you could tie him up for 5years 20 Mil, it would be a good investment. Anyways, the Clips have been dangling Cat's contract as trade bait. If Cat is gone, then who is our second SG? Shaun?
Well if it's 3-4 million, I'm sure the Lakers will match that offer and Sasha would most likely come here. I think greed is the x-factor for Sasha. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the &am
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:01 PM PST
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| Greed is a player who is offered a 70Mil contract and he asks for 90Mil even if there won't be any money left for any of the other players on the team. So far, Sasha has not ever seen any big money. He is an outside shooter who hits 45% from the field and 44% from the 3. He has a qualifying offer of 2.6Mil from the Lakers and they are asking him to go and find a better offer if he can. Where is the greed here for Sasha? |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the &am
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:31 PM PST
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| I don't like Sasha and I'm not just saying that as anti-Laker bias because I've always been a fan of Derek Fisher. Franky, Walton would probably help this team more than Vujacic, but I don't think he's available. And besides, anything less then the MLE and the they will match. How about Najera? He can get plenty of minutes at the 3 and 4, and he won't break the bank. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:34 PM PST
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JamFan wrote:
Greed is a player who is offered a 70Mil contract and he asks for 90Mil even if there won't be any money left for any of the other players on the team. So far, Sasha has not ever seen any big money. He is an outside shooter who hits 45% from the field and 44% from the 3. He has a qualifying offer of 2.6Mil from the Lakers and they are asking him to go and find a better offer if he can. Where is the greed here for Sasha?
Good point. What I mean to say was that by greed I meant the higher offer... |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to the
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 01:39 PM PST
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journeyman wrote:
I don't like Sasha and I'm not just saying that as anti-Laker bias because I've always been a fan of Derek Fisher. Franky, Walton would probably help this team more than Vujacic, but I don't think he's available. And besides, anything less then the MLE and the they will match. How about Najera? He can get plenty of minutes at the 3 and 4, and he won't break the bank.
Sasha I would hope would be what Robert Horry is to the Lakers, a Clutch 3 point shooter. The Lakers need him and I'm pretty sure it gonna be a Lakers for another few years. He has his first taste of the final, I'm sure he want more. Plus whether Sasha is good or not, he not afraid to take shot, which is what Lakers need beside Kobe. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:01 PM PST
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| What I also implied is that Vujacic just fits better with the Lakers then he would with the Clippers. I would even prefer Turiaf. Don't want the machine on my team. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:07 PM PST
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| "Dont want the machine on my team," Lets see, he plays tough defense and shoots 45% from downtown, and the smartest Coach in the history of the game has him in the during the 4th quarter when the game is on the line. Yep, your right, no reason to have a player like that. Let's sign somebody who can not shoot, can't play defense, and you wouldn't dare put in the game in the 4th quarter. The Clippers sign players like that all the time. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:09 PM PST
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| Oh and we wouldn't want to follow anything the Lakers do, they have the most successful coach ever, they just went to the Championship game, they lead the NBA in trips to the Finals, and are second in Championships won. Our formula is definitely better. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:09 PM PST
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| I like Vujacic because he's a feisty defender and a good 3 point shooter. But we probably should focus on a good PF first, and then decide with our remaining cap space, which might not be enough to sign Vujacic. But maybe it could be used to re-sign Ross and Livingston. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:10 PM PST
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| Have we drafted a guy called Eric Gordon who plays the same position than Vujacic???I don't remember...Do you already prefer Sasha over Gordon???wow... |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offe
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:13 PM PST
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JamFan wrote:
Oh and we wouldn't want to follow anything the Lakers do, they have the most successful coach ever, they just went to the Championship game, they lead the NBA in trips to the Finals, and are second in Championships won. Our formula is definitely better.
I'm not talking about formulas or champoinships won. Like I said, Vujacic fits with the Lakers. He does defend, and he does shoot the 3 ball.
Jackson played him out of necesity. He was he supposed to put in, Ariza? And did you see Pierce and Allen making him look foolish? And talking about him being in the 4th would be a more effective argument if the Lakers actually won the series. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:13 PM PST
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| Nobody said that we should prefer Sasha over Gordon, but Sasha is a proven NBA player and Eric has of yet never played in the NBA. As David just said, we need to use left over money to sign Q and Livinston. Right now, Sasha can play defense like Q and he is better gamble in every respect than Livingston who may never return to his prior form. Q is likely gone, and Livie may not play next year. We need to sign players that make our roster deep. If Cat gets hurt again what do we do? Start a rookie and our backup shooter at SG is who? |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Clippers should make an offer to
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 02:17 PM PST
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