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Post Subject: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 14384by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 15, 2008 - 08:57 PM PST
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It sounds like the starters smoke but we are weak on the bench. C and PF are OK but we have PG--BK 0 offense: Mobley or Eric SG; and 0000 at SF. After a 3rd rethink, Q won't work because he has 0 offense. We have some change left but we need a strong SF or swing man no matter what it takes or we're screwing ourselves. (don't you miss Corey?)



                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's the bench? Post ID: 14393by clipps04 » Jul 15, 2008 - 09:02 PM PST
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Well we have Jordan and TT for C/PF (both) not sure we have a back-up SF. SG mobley or Gordon. PG Knight and Taylor. We just need some at SF or someone who can play both SG/SF.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's the bench? Post ID: 14404by david » Jul 15, 2008 - 09:10 PM PST
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Vujacic sounds like a good fit- the guy can even play the point. But the Lakers will likely match the offer we give him though. Of course there's Azubuike, Q Ross, Matt Barnes, Livingston, Ryan Gomes, Carlos Defino, JR Smith....

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's the bench? Post ID: 14409by jlemmen43 » Jul 15, 2008 - 09:13 PM PST
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Matt Barnes is instant offense, Azibuike has talent and can really shoot the ball. Q, well he pretty much only plays defense, so he'd be a good option IF we can get some other scoring help. Delfino would be good to have and JR Smith is probably more trouble than he's worth if he's gonna be a backup. I dont know enough about Gomes and who knows about Livingston's return.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's the bench? Post ID: 14418by david » Jul 15, 2008 - 09:23 PM PST
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^^Gomes is a tough kid at 6'7" and 250". He's a good rebounder and a good shooter- he is a restricted FA so Minny may match.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ryan_gome ... stats.html

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's the bench? Post ID: 14428by ClipperNationRise » Jul 15, 2008 - 09:34 PM PST
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i like azubuike or barnes...cuz they both played with boom dizzle...so that will help out alot

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's the bench? Post ID: 14431by journeyman » Jul 15, 2008 - 09:37 PM PST
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Ryan Gomes would be great. He's like an undersized 4 with speed. I would bet the TWolves own't match now that they have KLove.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's the bench? Post ID: 14440by clipper*joe » Jul 15, 2008 - 09:51 PM PST
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Gomes is a great fit. JR Smith is lights out when he gets hot. Barnes is another hustle & flow guy. Can't lose with any of these guys.

If my calculations are correct, we have approx. 4 million left plus the MLE. That's still about 9 + million left to fill out the roster. NOT BAD!!!!!!!

                
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Post ID: 14447by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 15, 2008 - 09:58 PM PST
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Barnes should be at max MLE

                
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Post ID: 14453by journeyman » Jul 15, 2008 - 10:03 PM PST
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sounds a bit steep, toohip. But maybe...

Hell, it's no time to cheap out.

                
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Post ID: 14455by david » Jul 15, 2008 - 10:03 PM PST
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^^I'd like to think he'd go for like $2 mil/year or less.

                
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Post ID: 14469by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 15, 2008 - 10:11 PM PST
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No, I'm not sniffing glue but the wine.... What about D. Miles? How's his knee? Maybe he's learned he ain't the best. Would he come off the bench? Will we bang our heads again?

                
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Post ID: 14470by journeyman » Jul 15, 2008 - 10:13 PM PST
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I think its over for DMiles. Unless he comes for the Min., he shouldn't be considered. And even then...

                
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Post ID: 14476by krapper11 » Jul 15, 2008 - 10:17 PM PST
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matt barnes is not worth the full mle or anything near that....maybe $3 mil a year but thats it!...

                
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Post Subject: Three point shooters needed Post ID: 14567by 2CLIPisHip » Jul 15, 2008 - 11:56 PM PST
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How about Bringing Eddie House back? Un-re FA and a great outside shot

Who else is out there to stretch the D?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Three point shooters needed Post ID: 14569by clippers0918 » Jul 15, 2008 - 11:57 PM PST
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boston will prob keep him

                
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Post Subject: RE: Three point shooters needed Post ID: 14573by clipper*joe » Jul 16, 2008 - 12:01 AM PST
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We have some 3 point threats.

Thornton Baron Mobley Tim Thomas Gordon

                
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Post Subject: RE: Three point shooters needed Post ID: 14700by ClipperCalvin » Jul 16, 2008 - 10:46 AM PST
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good post D-League...WE NEED THREES!!! i happened to have Coach D's e-mail and last year or so I e-mailed him saying we need threes and should go after the likes of jumaine jones or somebody...he never e-mails back..LOL...but i know it's his e-mail, since i type the e-mail addy, and his full name pops up on my outlook when I receive a "read receipt" hehehe

But yes, we need 3's!! we are very well rounded now, but adding a "sharp" shooter to compliment our avg. to maybe slightly above avg 3pt shooting is a must...clips have been like bottom 5 in 3's in the last several years, including the year we took the suns to 7 games....where raja hit that THREE and that was all she wrote...makes me sick...GET SOME THREES PLEASE....SASHA VUJACIC..LET'S GO!

                
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Post Subject: Restricted Free Agents: We Need One More!! Post ID: 14709by ClipperCalvin » Jul 16, 2008 - 11:47 AM PST
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Here's the list, per espn.com....let's see who will fit in our $3M range...we need THREES....who do you guys like??

Group I: Restricted free agents

Only six first-round draft picks from the 2004 draft were signed to extensions last fall. That means some serious young talent is available this summer. These players' restricted status makes it likely they'll stay with their current teams, but at least they'll be in play:

Smith1. Josh Smith, Hawks: Smith has been the hottest restricted free agent, drawing interest from the Sixers, Clippers and Warriors. He's a freakish athlete who can score, rebound and block shots. What holds him back is his questionable attitude.

Right now, only two teams, the Clippers and Grizzlies, are far enough under the cap to give Smith an offer sheet big enough to potentially scare the Hawks. Given Atlanta's messy ownership situation, would the Hawks match a huge offer from L.A. or Memphis? That's the big question right now.

  1. Andre Iguodala, Sixers: Iguodala's decision to turn down a $57 million deal last summer is tough to justify. At the time, the Sixers appeared to be the only team with significant cap room; I'm not sure where he thought his next paycheck would come from. Now that Elton Brand's on board, expect the Sixers to do everything possible to lock him up.

Okafor3. Emeka Okafor, Bobcats: Okafor turned down $13 million per season to hit free agency this summer. He's not the best player on this list, but he's the best young center on the market and one of the few guys in the league who's a lock to average a double-double. It sounds as if the Bobcats are open to a sign-and-trade if the right deal were to come along.

  1. Luol Deng, Bulls: Everyone loves Deng's talent, including the Bulls. At least they used to. Injuries and a poor season have hurt his value around the league. Still, it's hard to see the Bulls not matching any offer Deng gets next summer.

He declined a $57.5 million extension in October, so if he makes more than that, he'll come out ahead. It will be interesting to see whether the budget-conscious Bulls will take advantage of the market conditions and offer him much less.

Biedrins5. Andris Biedrins, Warriors: Biedrins didn't get the lucrative contract offer that several others did. He was looking for something in the five-year, $50 million range but got an offer that reportedly was substantially lower.

Biedrins falls a little bit into the Anderson Varejao category -- energetic big man whose stats don't tell the whole story in terms of on-court contributions. Given that he continues to improve and he's only 21 years old, it's hard to believe the Warriors wouldn't match an offer.

  1. Monta Ellis, Warriors: He's young and he can score. Now that the Warriors have lost Baron Davis, re-signing Ellis is a priority. Though Ellis likely has few suitors, the Warriors will make him happy or risk that he'd take the midlevel exception.

Childress7. Josh Childress, Hawks: Childress doesn't get nearly the respect or hype as many of his teammates in Atlanta, but he's been a devastatingly effective sixth man. Still, he might be expendable given all of Atlanta's wing talent. He probably can't get more than a midlevel deal on this market, but he'd be a bargain at that price.

  1. Ben Gordon, Bulls: Of all the players who turned down lucrative contract extensions last summer, Gordon made the most mind-boggling decision. He turned down a five-year, $50 million deal that seemed above market value on a down season.

For him to recoup that money this summer seems almost impossible. And now that the Bulls have added Larry Hughes to the mix, it's no longer clear where Gordon fits into the picture.

There isn't a huge market for undersized 2-guards who have streaky jump shots. Gordon most likely will be the top restricted free agent not to have his offer matched, but he'll struggle to get a huge offer from anyone. Gordon might be better off taking the Bulls' one-year tender offer.

  1. Nenad Krstic, Nets: Before his knee injury last season, Krstic looked to be locked up by the Nets. Now the uncertainty about his health could hurt his value.

  2. Daniel Gibson, Cavaliers: Gibson has a great outside shot, can play both positions in the backcourt and has valuable experience on a contender. The problem is it appears that the Cavs will match any offer. If he wants a big payday, he might be better off taking the team's qualifying offer and trying again next summer.

Other notables: Louis Williams, Sixers; Craig Smith, Timberwolves; Sasha Vujacic, Lakers; Ryan Gomes, Timberwolves; Robert Swift, Oklahoma City; Carlos Delfino, Raptors; Carl Landry, Rockets; Kelenna Azubuike, Warriors; Delonte West, Cavs; J.R. Smith, Nuggets; Dorell Wright, Heat.


Group II: Unrestricted free agents

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  1. Kurt Thomas, Spurs: He's 35 years old but still tough enough to help just about any title contender. The Spurs got him in a steal of a deal at the trade deadline. Look for them to try to lock him up with a three-year deal this summer.

  2. James Posey, Celtics: Posey helped himself with a strong performance against the Lakers in the Finals. He's another player who should get a three- to four-year midlevel deal somewhere.

  3. Ricky Davis, Heat: The talented but troubled swingman hasn't helped his cause in his second tour with Miami. Pat Riley thought, after dumping him the first time, that Davis finally had the maturity to play for him. But Riley clearly is reassessing the situation. Davis looks like a midlevel-or-below type of player. I doubt he'll return to the Heat.

  4. Kwame Brown: The former No. 1 pick has run out of excuses. Yes, he's huge, athletic and only 25 years old. But after seven years in the league, he has yet to prove that he's anything more than a backup. Someone will pay him something, but no one expects much.

Livingston5. Shaun Livingston: He has amazing talent but will he ever recover from that horrific knee injury he suffered in 2007? With the Clippers using all of their money on Baron Davis, someone might try to roll the dice.

  1. Keyon Dooling, Magic: In a market starved for point guards, Dooling might be the best guy left on the board. He can be an excellent defender, has good size for his position and is coming off a solid season. He won't break the bank, and he's not a bad backup either.

  2. Brent Barry, Spurs: He still can shoot the basketball. Even though he's 36 years old, a number of teams would love to sign him.

  3. Carlos Arroyo, Magic: Arroyo isn't a sexy name, but the market has a shortage of point guards, and Arroyo was more than adequate as a backup in Orlando last season.

  4. Bostjan Nachbar, Nets: Nachbar is coming off the best season of his career with the Nets. He's not a starter, but he can provide some shooting and offense off the bench.

  5. Eduardo Najera, Nuggets: Najera is a tough, energy guy who'll rebound and bring some grit to your team. But at age 31, how much does he have left in the tank?

Other notables: Matt Barnes, Warriors; Alonzo Mourning, Heat; Patrick O'Bryant, Warriors; Jason Williams, Heat; Juwan Howard, Mavs; Jarvis Hayes, Pistons; Robert Horry, Spurs; Michael Finley, Spurs; Jannero Pargo, Hornets; Damon Stoudamire, Spurs; Sam Cassell, Celtics; Jamaal Magloire, Nets; Kareem Rush, Pacers; Gordan Giricek, Suns; Michael Doleac, Timberwolves; Francisco Elson, Oklahoma City; Quinton Ross, Clippers; Antoine Wright, Mavericks; Fred Jones, Knicks; Juan Dixon, Pistons; Maurice Evans, Magic; Primoz Brezec, Raptors; Anthony Johnson, Kings; Tyronn Lue, Kings; Theo Ratliff, Pistons; Adonal Foyle, Magic; Sebastian Telfair, Timberwolves; Kirk Snyder, Timberwolves; David Harrison, Pacers; Walter Herrmann, Pistons; Tony Allen, Celtics; Salim Stoudamire, Hawks; Mickael Gelabale, Oklahoma City; Randolph Morris, Knicks.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Restricted Free Agents: We Need One More!! Post ID: 14710by ClipperCalvin » Jul 16, 2008 - 11:50 AM PST
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The name that jumps out at me is RICKY DAVIS!! they have him pegged as a MLE to below MLE level player, based on history...we all know Ricky torches the Clips...can we get him??

                
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Post Subject: RFAs to consider: RICKY DAVIS!, Delonte, Finley, etc. Post ID: 14712by ClipperCalvin » Jul 16, 2008 - 11:58 AM PST
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Here is my filtered list from my previous Topic Post, where I wanted to see who were available as RFAs that we should consider going after to solidfy our bench:

  1. Ricky Davis: he hasn't been mentioned yet, but he torches us all the time...a new fresh team/atmosphere just might motivate him, and we might be able to afford him...

  2. Sasha Vujacic: like I said, we need THREES....the rest of our areas are pretty well rounded, except for 3's and could use a lil more scoring...this would cripple the Lakers if we could get him....

  3. Delonte West: he can play both guard positions, plays defense, and can hit the 3-ball...but not a sharp shooter....nice talent, and would be one of the top guards in the NBA that comes off the bench...

  4. Kelenna Azubuike: Coach D love's this guy...can't hit the 3-ball that well, but can hit it decent at times...athletic and scores ok...great bench player

  5. Carlos Delfino: hated him on pistons...looked better on raptors...3-ball is better now...would help our bench and 3's also...

  6. Michael Finley: why not...hits 3's, good scorer, veteran leadership...would be a nice pick-up as well

I really feel these are the types we should be looking at now....did I miss anyone??

                
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Post Subject: RE: RFAs to consider: RICKY DAVIS!, Delonte, Finley, etc. Post ID: 14718by Clipper_FaN » Jul 16, 2008 - 12:23 PM PST
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Kelenna Azubuike

                
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Post Subject: RE: RFAs to consider: RICKY DAVIS!, Delonte, Finley, etc. Post ID: 14719by erupt107th » Jul 16, 2008 - 12:24 PM PST
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im with Zu too

                
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Post Subject: RE: RFAs to consider: RICKY DAVIS!, Delonte, Finley, etc. Post ID: 14727by noname24 » Jul 16, 2008 - 12:31 PM PST
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If we get Ricky Davis, we'll have 3 sg's that will want to play: Cat, Gordon, and Ricky. I say go for a backup SF.

                
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Post Subject: RE: RFAs to consider: RICKY DAVIS!, Delonte, Finley, etc. Post ID: 14732by ClipperCalvin » Jul 16, 2008 - 12:33 PM PST
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ricky is 6'7" and can play SF...he was the SF for the Cavs when he had a couple of career years.....

                
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Post ID: 14751by ether » Jul 16, 2008 - 01:00 PM PST
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Ricky is a bad seed.

                
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Post ID: 14752by ClipperCalvin » Jul 16, 2008 - 01:02 PM PST
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I know...I'm not a big fan of Ricky, but potential is so great...we could always bury him at the bench, like Miami did, if he acts up, but he could be real good too, with the change of scenerry...plus, he seems to be relatively cheap....

                
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Post Subject: RE: RFAs to consider: RICKY DAVIS!, Delonte, Finley, etc. Post ID: 14753by EI_Nino_Jesus » Jul 16, 2008 - 01:04 PM PST
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Sasha would be nice, aside from Davis and Gordan a little extra 3 point shooter would'nt hurt, but I don't know if the Lakes are going to try and sign him( or whatever)

Ricky Davis, I think he'd fit nicely with the clips, IF we could get him though.

I like delonte west as well, but Michael Finlay would also help Gordan( maybe even thortan) mature in terms of skill so who knows.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Restricted Free Agents: We Need One More!! Post ID: 14754by ClipperNationRise » Jul 16, 2008 - 01:04 PM PST
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damn...thers a lot to choose from but i still like.....one of the smiths.....or azubuike....haha cuz he has chemistry with boomdizzle plus...if you watched the warriors at the end of the season last year...he was doing well

                
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Post Subject: RE: Restricted Free Agents: We Need One More!! Post ID: 14760by Miquel » Jul 16, 2008 - 01:16 PM PST
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I think Delfino has already signed for Khimki, a team from Russia. Olympiakos, the Greek team where plays Sofo, is said to be interested in Ricky Davis to replace former Knick Qyntel Woods

                
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Post Subject: RE: Restricted Free Agents: We Need One More!! Post ID: 14765by clipperfan909 » Jul 16, 2008 - 01:50 PM PST
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My list (in no particular order):

Eddie House!

Matt Barnes!

Josh Childress!

Barbossa! Did you guys forget about this guy? He is apparently on the trade block, and remember that potential deal we had to get him. He would be a great sixth man, instant offense, and somewhat can run the point. I like him a lot and think he would fit great with our team. I don't know if you guys read that article about Phoenix interested in Shaun, but we could do a sign and trade with them for Barbossa. Where we can take on more salary, and give a cheaper Shaun to Phoenix. Phoenix would save money by unloading Barbossa's salary and get the backup PG that they covet. We can also throw in another player if necessary, or possibly a second rounder. I don't know if that would be enough, but with so many teams looking to shed salary, it could be possible.

As far as Ricky Davis goes, like Ether said, he is a bad seed! Every team that gets him thinks the same thing: he has potential and can be great, maybe a new environment will change him. --- Well it hasn't so far, and it won't. We don't need him jacking up shots and messing up our flow and rhythm.

Also, D. Miles is intriguing. I heard he worked out for a team last week and did pretty well. I would just love to have the guy back regardless of whether or not he plays.

                
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Post ID: 14767by dwb » Jul 16, 2008 - 02:18 PM PST
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Azubuike and Gomes are both guys I like, but also both seem likely to draw matching offers from their current teams. What about Jarvis Hayes? He can play the two or three, and he's solid from three point range. Two guys I hope we steer clear of are JR Smith and Ricky Davis. Both are cut from the same cloth... it's a really nice pattern but the seams are all f**ked up or something. Loose cannons, both of them. Talented but... I don't know, it's one of those "add them at your peril" deals. Look, when guys are as gifted, as talented as they are, and you can throw Artest in there too, yet they can't seem to stick with a team for more than a year or two it's a RED FLAG! PLEASE let us avoid the red flags! All that "might" be able to motivate him stuff... WHY the hell should you have to wonder if you can motivate a guy you're paying millions of dollars to? WTF? Let those guys be someone else's headache. Eventually it seems they always turn out to be just that. It makes you appreciate players like Gomes that much more... or should.

                
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Post ID: 14768by Miquel » Jul 16, 2008 - 02:39 PM PST
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Jarvis Hayes has already signed for the Nets along Najera...I really think he could have helped us a lot

                
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Post ID: 14771by dwb » Jul 16, 2008 - 02:55 PM PST
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Ach! Thanks Miquel, I missed the Hayes signing, sorry about that. Hmmm... ok here's an idea that's out there. How about JJ Redick? He's nothing but a bench guy at Orlando, and a DEEP bench guy at that, SVG and he just don't seem to hit it off, but we KNOW he can shoot. Or... Keyon Dooling? He's obviously unhappy with their (Orlando's) initial offer, maybe he'd appreciate a change of venue?

                
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Post ID: 14772by jarca » Jul 16, 2008 - 02:56 PM PST
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lakers only offered vujacic 2.6 mil... hmmm i wonder if we offer him 12 mil for 3 yrs.. would he accept it

                
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Post ID: 14790by NYClipper » Jul 16, 2008 - 04:45 PM PST
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On PTI right now wilbon said clips offered iggy a contract but philly will likely match it, but i cant find that anywhere else. Has anyone heard anything?

                
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Post ID: 14794by slestack11 » Jul 16, 2008 - 04:54 PM PST
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What about Michael Finley? He's an unrestricted free agent. But it seems like he's more interested in being on the Spurs than anything else.

                
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Post ID: 14796by corgiBear8 » Jul 16, 2008 - 05:03 PM PST
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We have money left to get Iggy? That would be sweet!

I say no to Ricky Davis, JR Smith, Sasha. I don't really think we need anymore three's. Were not a team built around the three and Baron, TT, Gordon, and Al will take enough per game already.

                
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Post ID: 14797by clipps04 » Jul 16, 2008 - 05:05 PM PST
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We don't have money to sign iggy...

                
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Post ID: 14816by MrB » Jul 16, 2008 - 05:44 PM PST
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DWB. they should be able to pick up Reddick soon. Orlando will most likely release him. He's now 3 or 4 on the depth chart at SG. He's just about gone.

                
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MrB
Post ID: 14818by MrB » Jul 16, 2008 - 05:49 PM PST
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We got 2 mil. I read that on L.A. Times.com We don't have much money left or options for that matter. It would have be someone willing to make the minimum salary.

                
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Post ID: 14827by MrB » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:00 PM PST
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Not much to say about J.J. Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 07-08 ORL 34 0 8.1 0.444 0.395 0.794 0.0 0.6 0.7 0.5 0.1 0.0 0.44 0.90 4.1 Career 76 0 11.8 0.422 0.390 0.862 0.1 0.8 1.0 0.7 0.2 0.0 0.47 1.10 5.2 those are his stats. He's been burried deep on their bench. If he stays they might burry his career.

                
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Post ID: 14830by clipshow » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:10 PM PST
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Its really three if we lose a couple more players on roster but not signed might be more

                
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Post ID: 14832by journeyman » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:11 PM PST
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With $2m in cap space, we can absorb Redick's contract through trade (I haven't read anything of the Magic buying him out, though stranger things have happened). He could be worth a chance. If he doesn't work out, we could just let him walk at the end of the season. Not my first choice, but perhaps worth considering. A veteran 2/3 would be better.

                
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Post ID: 14833by seanrooks » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:13 PM PST
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i think we need to sign a scorer at the 2-3, a good swingman off the bench who can shoot. i don't know exactly who, but that spot needs to be filled. i heard michael wilbon on pti talkin about gettin iggy still, but that doesnt seem to make sense since we got camby. also, what bothers me is that we offered marcus williams a contract over ross, taylor a contract over livingston, and i think we also gave fazekas one over josh powell. livingston, powell, ross and another pickup would make our bench better than one that consists of nick fazekas.

                
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Post ID: 14835by mvp1523 » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:19 PM PST
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lets get childress with our mid level-that would make us one of the best defensive teams in the league..and then with whatever we got left we need a proven scorer. we will have offense and a greattt defensive team

                
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Post ID: 14836by clipshow » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:20 PM PST
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i dont know who likes this but why not send knight over to orlando for reddick

                
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Post ID: 14837by journeyman » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:22 PM PST
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Brevin is the only veteran PG we have off the bench. He was pretty bad last year, but he should perform a lot better as a backup.

                
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Post ID: 14840by Timmy2 » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:33 PM PST
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im all for getting childress

                
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Post ID: 14841by clipperfan909 » Jul 16, 2008 - 06:35 PM PST
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sorry, but we don't have our midlevel. I would be so down to get childress though. he's a local guy too and im sure would love to play here.

                
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