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A chance to start???Maybe in a few years but right now impossible in any team...

People said that he would return at the end of the last season but we are still waiting to see him...Livi's future doesn't sound good. He could be another Jonathan Bender...Hopefully not

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Lots of teams have projects as their 13th, 14th, and 15th players. They do not even dress to play in games. Some of them are moved back and forth to the D league so they can get some playing time and dress them to play when they are ready or when needed because of injuries to other players. We owe Livie at least that much of an opportunity. We have absolutely nothing to lose by offering him one of those spots, and everything to gain if he rounds into form.

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I was in support of the efforts to sign KAZ, but I would also support bringing in Mo Evans if he could be had for similar numbers. At 29, Mo is freakishly athletic. He is listed as a SG but can and has played backup SF. Last season he averaged 9PPG and 3RPG while shooting 49% from the field and 39% from the 3. He did all of that in only 22 MPG. In the playoffs last year, in the semi's, they upped his minutes to 29 and he averaged 9.6 PPG while shooting a lofty 59% from the field and 44% from the 3. That's enormous. His shooting percentage averaged over the playoffs was 52% and 42% from the 3. So Mo is a very efficient player for the minutes you give him. He is used to being used as a 6th man or coming off the bench. At 3 years and 8 Mil he might be a good bargain.

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I think you may be on to something. But we do need another strong defender of the bench. He might b ethat person.

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That's correct. Plus he's not a FA, so it's a non factor.

Plus GSW loves him, wouldn't trade him.

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Mo would be OK. But didn't he turn down a larger offer from GSW?

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no it was 6

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the GSW's offered him like 2.6 a year. We can offer him 3. Take it or leave it Mo!!!!!

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What about Fred Jones. I've heard people talk about him. Is he a decent player.

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You know, I like Sasha and his outside shooting, but Sasha wants 5-6 Mil. We could probably get Mo for 3 Mil, and Mo can play backup SF even though at 6'5" he is a little short for that position. It is his long arms and athleticism that allows him to play SF, though his natural postion is SG. He is quick so he can D up pretty well.

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I would much prefer Mo over Sasha...

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I agree that we should give him another shot, but its up to him to decide whether he wants to sign with us for lesser money.

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If you guys are for it i guess. Lets just hope front office has another trick up there sleeves

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Dunleavy " Hey Rocky watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat". He's gotta pull out another good trick. What a heck of a off season.

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LOL

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Ok, JR only made 2 Mil last season, so 3Mil would be a raise for the 22 year old. When his minds is right, he is another scoring machine. At 6'6" he is listed at SG but is considered a swing because he can play some SF as well. Last year he went for 12PPG and 2 RPG but in only 19MPG. He shot 46% from the field and 40% from the 3. He is another guy who upped his game during the playoffs. He went for 18PPG in 27 minutes while shooting a lofty 54%. Not bad for an outside shooter. But he can go to the hoop as well and I don't think he shot 54% without driving to the bucket at least part of the time. He is restricted, so would a 3 Mil offer for 3-4 years get an offer sheet signed and would Denver match? Well, JR did have relationship problems with the coach. Would that be a reason for Denver to bail? Don't know. But JR is a very young guy and sometimes they mature a little and that would make him a very good addition to the Clips lineup. Trust me, this guy can out score Kelenna or Mo Evans any day of the week.

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i think we actually have more than 3 mil to shell out....hoopsworld including buke's conract at 2.9 mil still had us with 800,000-900,000 left under the cap....so technically we could offer somewhere around 3.5+??

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denver would be laughing if they only had to match 3 mil!

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I agree completely, JR Smith is the way to go! People seem hesitant to sign him because he has attitude problems, but it's not like it's Ron Artest here. He's not getting drug violations and suspension, dude's just got a bunch of tattoos

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Camby might have a say in this as well, he'll know if the guy is a head case or not

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=tETS9GAqufA

Nuff said. Plus he will come relatively cheap.

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Kirk Snyder-good defender but has limited offensive skills. Do we need more offense or defense off the bench? If its defense, take snyder.

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I think this would be a great move because I love his game and think that that if he keeps his head on straight he has a chance to be a star.

The problem though, and the reason why I don't think this is going to happen is because we face the same situation that we faced with the Warriors. The Nuggets will match no matter what because of all the heat they are getting for the Camby trade. They can't risk losing another one of their players to Clippers for nothing the way the Warriors couldn't risk losing another one of their players to Clippers which is why they matched Azu's contract.

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yea but that was kinda a long time ago.

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You would think krapper11 would be right, that Denver would laugh as they matched 3 Mil. Or would they? Their coach does not like him. And JR was quoted as saying the other day that he has not had a single offer. Could be that no team feels they could make an offer that Denver wouldn't match, so it is scaring teams away. This is a hard situation to read. But you would think that JR would be worth more than 3 MIL. Especially if Sasha is asking for 5-6 Mil.

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i wouldn't consider powell a gamble....he played really well last year and with an all star point running the show he should fare even better....we need a back up SF....

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You can't make a case for a player purely with a You Tube vidio with only 1 play on it. I can make Kwame Brown look like a legit #1 pick with a You Tube. Everybody has highlights and a few good plays that make them look like a rock star. I even once saw a You Tube that made Keith Closs look like an All Star. So, give us a real case. We will read it. Nuff wasn't said.

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Well even without Camby on their roster, the Nuggets are at 71 million already for next year's salary. So they're in a serious money situation. I think if we offered JR 3 millilon a year, the Nuggets would match, but anything above that might be too much for them to pay

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If Camby and Dunleavy think JR is a good fit for the team, then I'm all for it. He can sure hit those side line three's when he plays us. He did have problems with Byron Scott in the past, maybe he has matured since then.

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kirk snyder, jarvis hayes, and mo evans should be our targets....with our price range those three guys should be attainable and be able to contribute off the bench....

krapper11
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and bonzi as well....

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Jarivis hayes got signed already.

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OK, here's the real case for Snyder:

  • extremely athletic (will make up for loss of Bookie in this dept.)

  • can contribute in limited minutes

  • runs the floor well (good running mate for Baron)

  • good at cutting, good off the ball in general (probably his best attribute)

  • can rebound, pass, and play perimeter d fairly well

  • three point range

  • has youth on his side (25)

  • room for improvement

sz123456
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Snyder isn't a bad back-up plan. I just think JR Smith has already proven that he contribute regularly off the bench. If he gets taken, Snyder seems like a great consolation prize

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illastrate wrote:
JamFan wrote:
You can't make a case for a player purely with a You Tube vidio with only 1 play on it. I can make Kwame Brown look like a legit #1 pick with a You Tube. Everybody has highlights and a few good plays that make them look like a rock star. I even once saw a You Tube that made Keith Closs look like an All Star. So, give us a real case. We will read it. Nuff wasn't said.

OK, here's the real case for Snyder:

  • extremely athletic (will make up for loss of Bookie in this dept.)

  • can contribute in limited minutes

  • runs the floor well (good running mate for Baron)

  • good at cutting, good off the ball in general (probably his best attribute)

  • can rebound, pass, and play perimeter d fairly well

  • three point range

  • has youth on his side (25)

  • room for improvement

That's a much more convincing argument. You've swayed me. Kirk Snyder gets my vote.

ClipperCalvin
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kirk snyder?!?!?! if we aren't goin after someone who is better than Q-Ross, then lez jus sign Q-Ross...at least he's somewhat reliable

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I don t think kirk snyder is the 3 point shooting defender I was hoping for.

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How is Q-Ross better? He's one-dimensional. He's only good for perimeter D and he's overrated at that. I like Q, but he has no intrinsic value on this NEW Clipper team. We have one of the best PG's in the league! Would you want a guy like Ross running the floor with Baron?

Snyder had his best overall year in New Orleans...and guess who the PG was...CP3.

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I agree with illastrate, Q is just not that good. If we still had him on contract, I'd trade him for a six-pack of bud light.

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Just a six pack? OF LIGHT beer?

Pfft, lightweight.

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You can drink more. Without the guilt of gaining weight.lol lol

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Man this is a weird off season. Should we free up money and go after JR or what im confused.

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how about J.R. Smith?

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How about Yakhouba Diawara, he was with denver last year he appeared in 54 games for them.....

Anyways he still young and talented he went to Pepperdine University

Now that Evans signed with Atlanta and Finlay and Wells still availible I think we need to go young and Diawara is 26

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Man, I dont know much about him.

sz123456
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that's not a bad idea

sz123456
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He's supposed to be defensive specialist I think. I remember the nuggets were getting a lot of criticism for not putting him on Kobe during the playoffs because he's supposed to be really tenacious

sz123456
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hahaha, I'm just saying, that's his trade value. And as far as JR Smith goes, we should break the cap a little and offer like 5 mil a year. I don't think the Nuggets would be willing to pay 10 mil next year for him, considering they're significantly over the cap already

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I was thinking about him too. He is the position we need, and is similar to Buke...

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Aw man... I hate to sound like this but JR Smith, Rickie Davis and Artest belong to the same psyche ward, or should. All three LOOK good, but somehow just don't do the chemistry of their teams any favors. And if (or make that when) discipline is needed, sticking them on the end of the bench might keep them off the court, but it doesn't keep them out of the locker room, where their complaining, bitching and whining f**ks things up for the rest of the guys. They are just NOT worth it! Yeah, yeah... just my opinion, but there are OTHER guys out there that actually APPRECIATE the opportunity! Why not try one of them? Walter Herrmann and Jeremy Richardson are both players. Herrmann has shown himself to be a scorer in his limited minutes, and Richardson has torn up the current summer league. Gomes and DJ Strawberry would be excellent guys, 'course they'd probably be matched immediately, but it'd be worth a shot. I'd rather have a player like Richardson or Herrmann who I know would give max effort every day, and play within the coach's concept, and gladly at that, than spend time trying to convince the Smiths, Davises, and Artests of the world to try to stay in line for a season. You invariably spend valuable time motivating these guys... or dealing with them. You shouldn't freaking have to worry about motivating someone you're paying millions of dollars to play. That's just nuts! Leave these head cases to someone else to figure out and ultimately waste time on! I'm sorry to sound like this but it's the same guys you read about with these problems all the time. Well it has been... JR is new to the group, but he looks as if he's trying for charter membership. We've got (well minus TT, but at least he's not volatile) character guys. Let's try to keep it that way.

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