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The cool thing about signing Harrington if that does happen, is we will have a 2nd team in which all 5 guys are a threat from deep. That is very uncommon in the league and the teams that are able to put that kind of firepower on the floor usually do very well. Collison, Jamal, Barnes, Harrington, Mullens Not our best defensive squad of course but that group will put up some points.
Yeah that's actually pretty cool,....

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My thing is if Doc is supposed to be this Defensive Genius( which he is) why he is trying to stretch the floor so much!!!! We aren't even addressing the issues we had last season against Gasol and Randolph!!!! Doc knows what he is doing!!!! He maybe getting some players for some type of trade or something!!!!! To me though our bench is good and if you want to win in the playoffs your starters play a lot more time!!!!!....

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@ClipperKyle32, Well the solution against Gasol and Randolph could just be a defensive strategy issue. Hard doubles, get the ball out of their hands, play disciplined and dont' foul and make the perimeter guys beat you. Still, I have also been waiting for that defensive guy off the bench all off-season, but you're right, it has yet to come. I think spacing is important, remember Gentry is the offensive coach, and I'm going to assume he is having influence in that....

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Jamison is probably going to be a Clipper, let's accept it. We aren't going to find a good defensive big unless we bring back Odom
I'm going to continue to live in denial and say he finally goes to the Bobcats and settles down his career on a rocking chair at the corner 3. I think there are still a few solid defensive big options (in terms of backups) if that was truly what the Clipper FO was looking for. And....

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Where is this Doc having dinner with Jamison rumor coming from?
@SpearsNBAYahoo: Lakers free agent forward Antawn Jamison is having dinner with Clippers coach Doc Rivers on Saturday night, a source told Y! Sports. https://mobile.twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/363484102306963457 ....

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@SpearsNBAYahoo: Lakers free agent forward Antawn Jamison is having dinner with Clippers coach Doc Rivers on Saturday night, a source told Y! Sports. https://mobile.twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/363484102306963457
Thanks for the link. I hope its not true. ....

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Thanks for the link. I hope its not true.
No problem. I hope it's not true also. I rather have Odom. Our interior defense personnel wise isn't that good. Hopefully Docs team defense and strategy can help overcome it. Our 2nd unit offense could be pretty good. All 5 guys can spread the floor, giving Collison and Crawford room to drive. ....

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Surely Doc would want a better defender than Jamison considering who we already have. Or is he that confident of his defensive strategies? ....

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Surely Doc would want a better defender than Jamison considering who we already have. Or is he that confident of his defensive strategies?
Yeah, maybe he's confident in his defensive strategies. Time will tell how it all works out. I like Jamison's offensive game but individually his defensive is pretty bad. ....

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Surely Doc would want a better defender than Jamison considering who we already have. Or is he that confident of his defensive strategies?
You can definitely compensate with good defense. The Bulls managed to hide Boozer in their defense which is quite an accomplishment. They also have defensive liabilities like Nate and to a lesser extent Rose. Still I am skeptical about him but w/e. ....

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You can definitely compensate with good defense. The Bulls managed to hide Boozer in their defense which is quite an accomplishment. They also have defensive liabilities like Nate and to a lesser extent Rose. Still I am skeptical about him but w/e.
They had Deng/Noah/Rose/Butler/Gibson/Nazar and mastermind on D Thibs. I don't know how we are going to run rotations but Dudley/Barnes/Hollins/Jordan/Paul seem like the only aggressive defenders. We might not go full bench squad as much or at all last....

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we all must be missing something.there must be other considerations that we don't know about Jameson whether he's in better shape or they're letting him know that they possibly want to use him in a trade. I don't think we would sign him just to trade, that just doesn't seem to be good business. We all may be missing what Jamieson brings and that's probably why we're interested in him to begin with. Doc may also want this dinner just....

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Maybe Doc isn't having dinner with Jameson at all?

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They had Deng/Noah/Rose/Butler/Gibson/Nazar and mastermind on D Thibs. I don't know how we are going to run rotations but Dudley/Barnes/Hollins/Jordan/Paul seem like the only aggressive defenders. We might not go full bench squad as much or at all last year but another defende/length/ hustle big would do wonders to help with overall balance.
Well Rose isn't a good defender so I am not sure why you mentioned him. We just need a backup big that can play defense and we....

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according to real gm, jamison already had dinner with doc rivers last night (friday)

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You can definitely compensate with good defense. The Bulls managed to hide Boozer in their defense which is quite an accomplishment. They also have defensive liabilities like Nate and to a lesser extent Rose. Still I am skeptical about him but w/e.
Boozer is an interesting one because due to him being a very good rebounder, he brings a lot of positives to the defense. He actually isn't an atrocious defender or anything like people make it seem, he's fairly average....

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Boozer is an interesting one because due to him being a very good rebounder, he brings a lot of positives to the defense. He actually isn't an atrocious defender or anything like people make it seem, he's fairly average defensively at PF. Rose also has grown into an average defender after being pretty poor at the start of his career. Good defense can definitely hide certain players though. Of course there are still levels and there's only so much you can do.....

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Better with us than against us. ....

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I dunno about that. He plays a lot of matador defense like Amare and Al Jefferson and on and off stats suggest otherwise. Lets just say he a fairly poor defender. I still consider Rose slightly below average though I haven't seen him play in ages so that could change for the better or the worse.
His on/off isn't too fair to him because he's backed up by Taj Gibson who is an excellent defender. Slightly below average could work for....

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Bleacher Report ranked benches in the league and put ours 3rd behind the Pacers and the Knicks. The argument was basically we lost more than we gained on the bench (i.e. (Bledsoe+Turiaf+Odom+Hill) - (Collison+Mullens+Bullock)= negative net value). Look for one more big to join the tribe and prove them wrong! Whether you agree that the Knicks' bench is the deepest in the league or not, the report really opens up your eyes to seeing just how much deeper already good teams....

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Thanks for link!

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About the bench link!!!!! You don't rely on your bench in the Playoffs!! We could not do that last year so I don't really care about having that OMG Deep Bench!! ....

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About the bench link!!!!! You don't rely on your bench in the Playoffs!! We could not do that last year so I don't really care about having that OMG Deep Bench!!
That a good point, our bench was prehaps the best/deepest of all teams last season, but it was balanced by having some weaker starters-Green, Billups and Butler. And come the playoffs being so reliant on the bench became a problem. ....

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Deep bench worked two years ago and during a off season where we uprgraded the starting spots with better fit and role players one more OMG bench run would be great. I really like this bench the previous two seasons our bench bigs were all one dimensional on defense (Odom was suppose to be offensive threat) we needed some kind of shooting or scoring. As poor as Mullens numbers were last year the hope under Doc is he will....

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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine Al Harrington and DeShawn Stevenson, I'm told, officially cleared waivers today to become unrestricted free agents
Much rather have Harrington than Jamison.Hopefully Doc has a talk with Al before just getting our FO to give Jamison a contract.Doc is a smart guy,I doubt he will over look Harrington.Harrington has more scoring tools than Jamison does.He also is younger,a better rebounder,and a better defender than Jamison. ....

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i hope they don't mess up the offseason by getting jamison if only there was a way to tell doc to get someone else ....

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Jamison and Harrington are such similar players, I wouldn't be mad with either one of them. I just don't think we need another floor spacer. Ivan Johnson is the only guy I'd hold out for, we need a bruiser/rebounder guy. If he's gone then I say pull the trigger on Harrington or Jamison or even Odom if he's in shape. ....

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Ivan's agent is looking at offers over seas. I don't know what the hold up is he is a perfect fit for us. I think he would take minimum at this point and provide everything we need from a back up pf. Al and Jamison have never been thought of great guys to bring in to a locker room, I've heard mixed reviews for Jamison in the past but nothing but negative stuff from Harrington. I don't really....

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If Ivan is looking overseas, that means he's looking for more money then league minimum....

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He had already stated that he would take league minimum from a contender. Unless he wants to stay on the East coast or something like that, I don't see him really having against coming out here since he went to school out here. I think there might be some political reasons, since he did say KG was dirty last year and Doc might not like that. ....

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i would rather take Odom over Johnson Odom was just getting his game back at the end of the season he was starting to make the 3s and really defended Marc and Randolph pretty well he could do a lot better in Rivers system ....

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The only problem I have with Odom, is you don't know if he is fattening up all over again. He was supposedly getting back in shape last season, and I don't think Doc is going to play him into shape like Vinny did. This was happening when he was getting 8 million and now he's supposed to stay in shape for the minimum. Ivan is a hustle player that will put effort on every play and he's got size....

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The only problem I have with Odom, is you don't know if he is fattening up all over again. He was supposedly getting back in shape last season, and I don't think Doc is going to play him into shape like Vinny did. This was happening when he was getting 8 million and now he's supposed to stay in shape for the minimum.
Its a good point. Odom is in the habit of letting himself go in the off....

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Ivan's agent is looking at offers over seas. I don't know what the hold up is he is a perfect fit for us. I think he would take minimum at this point and provide everything we need from a back up pf. Al and Jamison have never been thought of great guys to bring in to a locker room, I've heard mixed reviews for Jamison in the past but nothing but negative stuff from Harrington. I don't really....

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we have one glaring need, plain and simple, and same as it ever was.... we need a banger for the playoffs to spell Blake and take the edge off the other team's interior bigs if and when need be.... our Achilles heel has been our health/durability come playoffs, with our star players.... if Ivan Johnson is still available, can't see why he isn't the perfect guy.... also have no idea how people are defending Lamar's interior D come....

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The only problem I have with Odom, is you don't know if he is fattening up all over again. He was supposedly getting back in shape last season, and I don't think Doc is going to play him into shape like Vinny did. This was happening when he was getting 8 million and now he's supposed to stay in shape for the minimum. Ivan is a hustle player that will put effort on every play and he's got size....

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0- Old habits die hard, and I'm just talking about his efforts on the floor. I'm talking of what I've heard from Knicks and Nuggets fans regarding his effort specifically rebounding or on the defensive side of the ball. I would prefer Odom to Harrington any day of the week. Odom shows laziness in the offseason, while Harrington shows laziness on the floor. I thought we already picked up a chucker in Mullens, and we want another....

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I think there's a good chance that Odom is done in the NBA. He refuses to play for any team outside of L.A. except maybe the Heat. If none of these three teams sign him in the summer, I think he has a very slim chance of getting picked up midseason. Precisely because of what you guys are talking about, his atrocious lack of preparation. Most guys who don't get signed will work out religiously while....

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About the bench link!!!!! You don't rely on your bench in the Playoffs!! We could not do that last year so I don't really care about having that OMG Deep Bench!!
I beg to differ. The Heat and Spurs relied heavily on their bench and both teams were nba finalists last season. There really isn't anything to suggest this myth that I constantly hear. The true issue with our team last season was that several of our bench players were actually better....

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I think the myth of not relying on your bench is really due to not relying on all 15 players. Most teams don't bring out the last two or three guys out at all unless injuries occur. If there is a favorable match up you might see some players come out. I don't remember seeing too much of Rashard Lewis or James Jones during the playoffs for the Heat, or Richard Jefferson for the Warriors or too....

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It's not that you "rely" on your bench, but they can't just suck. You generally go with some sort of 8-9 man roster in the post season. For example, the Clipers right now have: Paul Redick Dudley Griffin Jordan Crawford Barnes Backup big man X Collison A set of solid players, what needs to be added to that is solid backup big man X and that's your 9 man playoff rotation. A deep bench usually isn't as valuable in the playoffs, that is going 10-11 deep, it just means you might....

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Great point. Though the bench isn't the most significant aspect, it still shouldn't be completely overlooked. Think Hollins and Turiaf still averaged a combined nearly 20 minutes a game in the postseason last season, but I think the idea that the major postseason roster still involves bench minutes and some, though slighted, bench involvement is still true in most regards. EDIT: Guess I'm overlooking that Blake was injured too. ....

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So don't ban me for the suggestion....Beasley just got arrested again for weed. He's going to get waived and stretched. He'd probably play for free if we offered him a roster spot. Weed capital of America is probably not the best place for a kid who is constantly stoned but I'd personally love it if we sign him. For 1mil minimum salary, if he screws up, we can just release him and it's no big financial loss. He's a....

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So don't ban me for the suggestion....Beasley just got arrested again for weed. He's going to get waived and stretched. He'd probably play for free if we offered him a roster spot. Weed capital of America is probably not the best place for a kid who is constantly stoned but I'd personally love it if we sign him. For 1mil minimum salary, if he screws up, we can just release him and it's no big financial loss. He's a....

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for sure he'll be suspended but it's just weed so it can't be for a really long time. I think preseason games can count on suspensions but not 100% sure. Even if it's 15 games, not that big of deal. We were never at full strength last season. ....

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Terrell Harris just got suspended for 5 games for weed. probably for Beasley it would be at least 10games since he's had multiple offenses. ....

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Terrell Harris just got suspended for 5 games for weed. probably for Beasley it would be at least 10games since he's had multiple offenses.
That's not bad, I know he's hated in Phoenix though. Don't think he'd hold up at PF. Has he ever played at the 4 on defense? Seen him get beat at the 3 and he doesn't look like a very physical defender. I don't know if it'd be all that worthwhile a gamble, but if....

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The Dude, you should be banned Wink. Beasley played 4 in Miami, he's just a bad defender at any position and he's bad on offense. Beasley has had enough chances and situations and hasn't produced well, and be makes a decent amount. He was on a playoff team in Miamk, he got the right to shoot in Minnesotta, he was then the second option, he then got a second chance in Phoenix on a developing young team. Al Harrington for example....

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The Dude, you should be banned Wink. Beasley played 4 in Miami, he's just a bad defender at any position and he's bad on offense. Beasley has had enough chances and situations and hasn't produced well, and be makes a decent amount. He was on a playoff team in Miamk, he got the right to shoot in Minnesotta, he was then the second option, he then got a second chance in Phoenix on a developing young team. Al Harrington for example....

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The Dude, you should be banned Wink. Beasley played 4 in Miami, he's just a bad defender at any position and he's bad on offense. Beasley has had enough chances and situations and hasn't produced well, and be makes a decent amount. He was on a playoff team in Miamk, he got the right to shoot in Minnesotta, he was then the second option, he then got a second chance in Phoenix on a developing young team. Al Harrington for example....

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