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ClipperB23
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Yup, http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/229423/Lou-Amundson-Meets-With-Cl ippers-Lakers

Akclipps
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Amundson or Lamar?? Any thoughts

CP3Heliflopter
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^There aren't too many good options left. I wouldn't mind having both of them. Lamar is better than Amundson even if he is still out of shape but Amundson wouldn't be a bad 14th man/enforcer type of guy.

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Umm how about Amundson AND Lamar? I'd rather be stocked up with big men than be stocked with guards, which we already have a ton of anyways. And, we have 4 guys already that can play PG on this team as is, Redick, CP3, Crawford and Collison. Yes, Redick is a SG but he's more than capable of being a temporary PG in small stretches. All of these guys can play the 2 as well, and 2 of these guys can play the 3 in a small lineup. Dudley and Bullock can play the 2 and the 3, Dudley a 4 in a small lineup.

I have a sick feeling we will play a lot of small ball throughout the year, but really folks we need another big man or 2. Having 6 big men to go with 9 guard/forward players is a great set up for a team with a 15 man roster.

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Well put. Size does matter and we need it. Rather have that than small ball especially on defense

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I think Odom is the better player, but he's also a much bigger risk. Does he come to camp in shape? Is everything good and dandy in his social life? Etc. etc. I think that Amundson is a much safer option in that he'll bring tough, gritty defense and rebounding every night.

Akclipps
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Yeah Lamar needs to be better physically and mentally in order for him to work and i would pick him over Amundson. I just see why theres no rumor of us getting Ivan Johnson. The guy is thinking going overseas because no one wants to pick him up. Its our chance

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Ivan is not a "character" guy. Highly unlikely Doc wants him. He's had serious anger control issues for years. He was kicked off the University of Oregon team. He was banned for life from the Korean basketball league a couple years ago for getting into it with fans and referees...there's Matt Barnes tough and then there's Ivan Johnson tough. Apparently the joke amongst the Atlanta Hawks coaching staff was who would have the balls to tell Ivan he was cut if he didn't make the team. Players, coaches, and GMs know more about him then we do. Not being signed yet with stats like his just doesn't add up. I suspect there are significant concerns about him as a person behind the scenes. Or, maybe he just really wants to fight some more Asian referees, I don't know lol.

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There is a reason Ivan is not picked up by anybody and the main reason is he is not good at pretty much anything. I have no idea why should there be rumors about us getting a locker room black hole, who can't play and why have people thrown his name around for so long. He had 3-4 good games in his rookie season and last year was having more TOs than baskets. He is 6'8'' at best and mediocre defender on to of that!

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I still think we're missing a physical big guy who can't be punked by Zach Randolph. Ivan Johnson is kinda similar to Reggie Evans and i don't think he's that bad at all. For me he's a good back up for us. There's no more physical big out there and no one's uncoachable in this league even a Dennis Rodman can be coached and its just the matter of how the coach handle it

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How is Lou an enforcer? does he whip people with his pony tail after he bricks FTs?

It would be nice to have someone with a mean streak, because the clippers looked soft AF at points last year.

Agent0
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He doesn't want the minimum and teams that are interested only want to pay the minimum.

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Agree with you. Or Lamar + somebody else. Davies better be seriously LEGIT if they're going to pass on a possible contributor to bring him along as a project.

We don't have a single guy off the bench at 4 or 5 who is a tough matchup for opposing teams. Hopefully Mullens will be that guy but this is yet to be determined.

Probably our most reliable back up big is not even a big: In Barnes I trust, even playing PF.

Hollins we know what we have and it's not much. Mullens is a wild card. Even Lamar, if signed, is the opposite of a sure thing.

Small ball works against maybe the majority of teams today but you don't get through 3 rounds of PO's in the west with only one good big.

Andrew818
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We should sign Odom and Amundson and cut Davies and Wayns.Neither showed me that much potential.Project's are good for rebuilding teams but we are contenders now and need bangers in the playoffs.So far we only have Barnes.A guy like Amundson makes our bench a lot tougher.

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Unless your OKC

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Enough with Ivan The Terrible - the guy is a mess and nobody wants him - doesn't that say it all? How many games of this guy have you seen and how many times have you taken notice of him? He is known to ruin the locker room and does nothing exceptionally well. Comparing a guy like that to Reggie is an insult to Reggie!

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nope, Nick Collison is actually an excellent player, can defend very well, sets nice picks, and can shoot on offense. If the Clips had Collison off the bench, all big man issues would be solved.

He's like a Shane Battier at PF.

Dunkathon
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Absolutely agree.

Heck, the Clippers would be better off starting Collison than DJ.

Hooligans
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Wonder why OKC doesn't start him? Must be a bunch of brain-dead hicks running that NBA franchise. Clearly don't know what they're doing.

Hooligans
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What ever happened to Josh Powell? Was a huge fan of his during his short stint here.

Dunkathon
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They traded James Harden, and Kendrick Perkins is still the starting center. So yes, they clearly don't know what they're doing all the time.

Wouldn't go so far as to call them "brain-dead hicks", but they're definitely not nearly as smart as you think they are.

If DJ makes a huge improvement this upcoming season, then I'll take back what I just said. Based on what we've saw last year however, I would put Collison as a starter over DJ. He won't score all that much, but he makes his free throws and defends well.

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The Thunder are one of the best run franchises. In my opinion, probably the best, but that doesn't necessarily make them the most successful (remember people this is pure opinion so calm down and don't bring up the Heat, Spurs, or other contenders). I consider them the best run because they had a core of Westbrook, Durant, and Harden. The media blasted them when they traded Harden, but the media forgets that OKC did offer him a good deal, just not a max deal like Harden wanted. When they replaced him with Martin, Lamb and a few picks people thought OKC would crumble..they didn't. The Thunder went on to get the first seed in the west, but a tragic injury to Westbrook derailed any hope for that franchise to go farther. They clearly operate under the cap, and trade players when their time is up for serviceable players.

In Westbrooks absence, the Thunder discovered that Reggie Jackson could actually play. Can this guy be as good a sixth man as Kevin Martin? Who knows, but one thing is clear with this franchise..after the drafting of that initial core of Durant, Westbrook, and Harden the Thunder continued to draft and stockpile picks. Due to this overabundance of picks they have even gambled on players like Perry Jones III. These are draft picks that are top tier talent who fell in the order due to fear of injury. The Thunder are likely not going to need Perry Jones III, but if for some reason he manages to find playing time and actually be a good player the Thunder have an embarrassment of riches.

What I think makes them a great run franchise is that they are not a team with an expiration date. You can argue that the Spurs are near the end, you can argue that the heat cannot be sustainable after 2014, and you can make a case that the Lakers run at the top is over, but with the amount of youth that the Thunder have and continue to get they are going to be a contender for the next decade at the minimum.

CP3Heliflopter
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^How exactly are the Thunder the best run franchise? They did a good job drafting but they were extremely lucky when it came to drafts too. They could have very well ended up with Oden instead of Durant and that would have ruined everything. Drafting Durant at 2 was a no brainer. Westbrook was a high risk pick that panned out but Love was still left on the board and he is arguably a better fit with Durant and Harden. Harden was a good pick but certainly not a difficult one.

Overall, their drafting was good but they were extremely fortunate. They were lucky there were so many good drafts stocked with talent. Sometimes drafts are just so terrible that even top picks don't amount to much.

The Harden trade was also downright terrible. It negated all of that good drafting. I have known that Perkins was overrated, overpaid trash for a long time. Keeping Scott Brooks was also a bad idea. The Spurs are way better as a franchise not even close.

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"A source close to the power forward informed CSNNW that Johnson is issuing NBA teams a two-week deadline to come up with a reasonable offer. If no NBA offer presents itself, Johnson will bite on one of his several overseas offers."

do you guys think the clippers will make an offer to Ivan Johnson?

clips4life32
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They probably offered the Vet's minimum but Johnson is probably looking for more money.

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"a reasonable offer", now he can't take the vet min. if the only offers out there are minimum contracts, he will save face and play overseas, even if this was a bluff.

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remember I stated in parenthesis that it was my opinion. read my post in its entirety. I'm sure that the team you think is the best run would also come under speculation or debate as well. also, couldnt one say the spurs were lucky to get Duncan or the Lakers were lucky to get Kobe. at some point you have to acknowledge OKC is a well run franchise.

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no,Clippers has no intentions to offer Johnson.

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Wow! Johnson must think he's Lebron James.

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The guy is a career d-leaguer who had one decent season. Now he's giving the NBA as a whole a deadline to bid on his amazing talents.

this guy defines the word douchebag. Enjoy Croatia buddy. Guys like him are a dime a dozen in this league. Next.

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I actually think their main luck was that Durant was not a high impact player his first two seasons which allowed them to get better picks. If you draft a high impact rookie, then your draft picks aren't as nice and this plan doesn't work as well.

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rookies can be good right from the start. some guys can post up 16 ppg or better and rebound well, but what makes rookies a liability is their turnovers and fouls. You are right in that Durant was still learning the game in his first seasons and that allowed the Thunder to stink so bad that their next two picks were also impactful. If you are a small market team like OKC this blueprint works well. The only downside is that its hard to replicate what OKC for a couple of reasons. For one, not many teams commit to complete rebuilding. they may have a top pick like John Wall, but then get tempted and pick up some free agents and start mixing and matching. to replicate OKC you have to stay the course and resist free agents or else top picks will be elusive. Alo, the right pieces need to be acquired I look at Minnesota and how they squandered four years of drafting by making bad decision courtesy of David Khan

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He should just go to china, his skill is too much for the nba.

CP3Heliflopter
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Its one thing to be lucky and draft one great player. Its another thing entirely to be able to draft 3 all nba caliber players in such a short time span. It was more luck than anything + it helped that Durant did not lead the Supersonics/Thunder to many wins early in his career.

I think the Thunder have a very good FO but I am not sure if I would say its even top 3 due to recent blunders at least. Still very good though. I have been extremely impressed by what Morey did. Its very difficult to get do what he did while not being allowed to tank.

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Yup, fouls is more of an issue for big men, but I think more widely for perimeter players is turnovers and scoring efficiency. Rookie Durant scored 20.3 pts on .519 TS%. He averaged 20/4/2 and had a 15.8 PER. Basically a very, very average, no impact player. It was like 01-02 Ricky Davis impact.

Sophomore Durant was better, much better, but was still pretty bad on defense. Green who they drafted along with Durant went from bad as a rookie to average. Westbrook was a very average player as a rookie, basically Bledsoe.

There is some luck to it because if Green was a bit better as a rookie, you're maybe not in the position to get Westbrook, but that draft was hard to suck in. You had: Love, Gallonari, EJ go after Westbrook, so you still get a nice player.

...but similarly, if Sene who they had drafted before at 10th didn't suck and became a defensive force, improving their defense, it's technically good, but now you aren't as terrible a team.

The other factor of course is if Durant was good, but not superstar level. If you got the #2 pick in 2010 instead, Wall is gone and your options are not so great in terms of players that would have gone 2nd.

You certainly can't be terrible and come out like they did, but there are a lot of average GM's, some good ones, and then there are all the bad ones. Some of the average ones can look better than other average ones based on when they got their high picks and how the young player impacted the team early. Even injuries can make it look worse.

...but being a good GM doesn't mean never making a mistake either, so someone isn't a bad GM because one of their moves failed as heliflopter mentioned with Perkins.

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I never understood what the big hype was about this dude anyway.. It seems like everyone and there momma wanted us to sign him. He's undersized can't really shoot and is the same guy as amundson on defense at best. Serviceable. I remember someone a few weeks back posted footage of shavlik randolph going ham on Ivan johnson..no thanks enjoy playing in tikrit or somewhere

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1 - Johnson wants to be on a team, and to potentially speed up the process of getting a contract. The guy wants to play, make money and not sit around. With the start of the NBA season looming near, he probably doesn't want to be without a team, then hope that something happens during the year and he starts making money.

2 - Sure, he's a bit undersized, but he performed better than expected for a D-League player.

3 - Johnson was a pick of mine for a 15th and final roster spot, if this team didn't go after Odom, Jamison and others. With the prospect of Odom signing, and perhaps Amundson as well there really is no need for this guy as we'd be at 15. Clippers probably didn't really consider him anyways.

4 - If no contract arises in this 2 week deadline, he obviously wants to play somewhere, and teams in Europe, China and other parts of the world will offer him a contract. He could be a big star somewhere else, but he'd prefer to stay home. What's wrong with wanting to play with the best of the best?

I see nothing wrong with this, and I am sure his want to be on an NBA team is about as big as a lot of other NBA free agents right now. May not be a starter or a big minute guy, and he realizes this but he's just speaking out and wants to know where his life is going to be for the next X amount of months or years.

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I'm really hoping Odom re-signs. I think he can still offer something

Andrew818
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Any one know what's the hold up with signing Odom?I thought by now we would have either signed him,Jamison,or Amundson.

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are there any options overseas to fill in the void in the front court?

is there a possibility the clippers will look for european players

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I hope they exhaust all sources. but whoever they get it needs to be a defensive minded player

itsLuigi
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^warriors just picked up a defensive 7 footer from Spain

they're gonna be tough this year

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yeah surprised there has been no news. You would think he wanted to sign somewhere by now.

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do you guys think Tracy Mcgrady can be a clipper this year?

i think he can be more use then some other free agents available

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No, we are stacked at 2 and 3 with Redick, Crawford, WGreen, Dudley, Barnes, and Bullock.

We need another big, plain and simple.

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what if he plays power forward just like how grant hill did last year?

he's an alright defender and can pass the ball like odom

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GSW is stacked

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With the news of Lamar's drug problem, who's out there that can fill the void? It would be a huge risk to re-sign him now when his head is in the clouds and he has other personal issues (alleged cheating scandals and marriage crisis, to name a couple of them) that would add to the distraction. I wonder what Doc and the rest of the front office have in mind.

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I'm sorry. At this point I'd rather have Jamison than Odom. He'll probably be in better shape and have more to prove playing for Doc. We've seen what Odom can do and he's even more of a basket case this off season than last.

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So Antawn...Still want to play for us?

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