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DocHollywood
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No Lamar means it's time to look at trade scenarios since in my opinion there are no remaining quality bigs available. I just want a guy who could do a pretty good job covering for Blake if he gets injured but who normally plays as our third big. Nobody on our roster is even close to third big status right now.

Dunkathon
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Well, if he's abusing drugs, there's no way the Clippers can take Lamar now.

At the same time, they should still absolutely refuse to take Jamison. At this point, I would take Lou Amundson over Jamison.

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I don't want to deal with a druggy.

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Tyrus Thomas and Drew Gooden are still available. I also don't think Jamison is as bad as he was made out to be on the Lakers last season. He just didn't fit the D'Antoni system. Of these three I would probably go with Thomas as he is probably more of an enforcer than Gooden or Jamison can be.

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i think the top choice right now would be Gooden. he can rebound and he's not a bad defender. he also shoots a free throw pretty well, better than Tyrus Thompson. What about Jason Collins? i don't really know him that well? is he a good fit.

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I want Drew Gooden. I preferred him over Lamar even before he got hooked on crack and heroine.

He played great for us a few years ago. Still a real good overall player, especially for the minimum. He just had a bad situation in Mil. Dude still has something in the tank.

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^the dude knows.

gooden still got some game in him. I'm surprised there's no rumors about picking him up.

was Lamar really on heroine or crack?

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Gooden was bad last year scoring-wise, but even then, he hit his free throws and appears to be solid stat-wise.

I say the Clippers should go for it.

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Heroine/crack...No I was just making assumptions lol. He's actually on an interesting mixture of acid and gasoline huffing. Hobbies include sniffing glue and eating crayons.

Regardless of the chosen cocktail, I still think Drew Gooden is a better choice than Lam Lam.

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I like Gooden but don't think he is the best fit.I like the idea of having another big besides Griffin who can score in the post but he is another liability on defense like Crawford.We already lost Bledsoe's defense off our bench and now our only defensive minded player off the bench is Barnes.Collison isn't a bad defender but he doesn't have the size or explosiveness to really bother anyone of defense like Bledsoe did.With how our bench is formed at the moment I think we desperately need a defensive minded big who can block shots and grab rebounds.We don't have a lot of options because we can only offer the minimum so finding a player to fill that need is very difficult.

What I personally would like to see the Clippers do is trade Willie,Maalik Wayns,and a 2nd rounder to the Bobcats for Brendan Haywood.He isn't close too my top choice but he seems very gettable.He is a 7 footer who is a solid shot blocker and rebounder.He has championship experience playing on the 2011 Mavs team.And his contract is small enough that we wouldn't have to give up much.Since Bobcats are rebuilding I think they would take a package of Willie,Wayns,and a 2nd rounder because Wayns contract isn't guaranteed this year and Willie's isn't guaranteed next year.They end up saving money and getting a draft pick for a player they don't really need.

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he needs to just follow in the Dude's footsteps and stick to White Russians

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Is Lamar's problems mean we are going ahead with Jamison?

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Just give the guy a caucasian!

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Why Gooden? He doesn't really play defense.

23efren23
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When kwame brown gets bought out clippers should get him 7-0 tall defensive and rebounding center and Byron playing the 4 we will have two 7-0 on the court that's nice

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Smile Good one

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Compared to what? Our options are Jamison, Gooden, and I don't even know. Lou Amundson doesn't really play offense or defense.

Compared to the Jamison defensively, Gooden is Scotty Pippen reincarnated.

I guess I just rather have the best player available and that's Drew Gooden. Al Harrington would have been preferable for me but Gooden is good plan b.

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Sad but we don't have much options left. Odom is a train wreck. He should just retire and get his problems sorted.

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nah, he prefers to have his problems snorted

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Its insane nothing happened to get a fit big just had get any big that wants to play d. I would of took James Posey out of retirement over Jamison.

CP3Heliflopter
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I still can't get over the fact that we couldn't even get one banger. This sucks.

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It is troubling. We still have the trade deadline to get one though.

Hooligans
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Well thank god we waited all summer to sign Antawn Jamison roll

namzug
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Ivan Johnson,

Shavlik Randolph,

hamed haddadi,

Louis Amundson and Antawn Jamison,

possible trade options (Brendan wouldn't be a bad option or a Arnett Moultrie or take a chance on Patrick Patterson would rather get Thompson or Hayes instead but unrealisic)

probably a few other players,

then Drew Gooden- I'm not a fan of his stint here, I wouldn't be upset and had Jamison in this spot a week ago. I'm just disappointed that we sat on players like Bernard James, Jermaine O'neal, Blair, and others. If we picked up any of the first three guys on my list I'd be happy, after that I would try to look at the upside but not really be content.

Clipswhit
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Well.. I hope Brandon Davies surprises us

23efren23
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Davies will get cut and we will sign the big everyone wants!' The clippers will open up a pole on their website names few bigs as fan favorites we vote whoever gets most votes the clippers will sign!!

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SMALL FORWARDS: Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Linas Kleiza, Josh Howard, Mickael Pietrus, James Johnson, Sam Young, Josh Childress, Luke Walton, Mickael Gelabale, Damien Wilkins, Luke Babbitt, Devin Ebanks, Sasha Pavlovic, Vladimir Radmanovic, James White

POWER FORWARDS: Lamar Odom, Tyrus Thomas, Ivan Johnson, Drew Gooden, Shavlik Randolph, Hakim Warrick, Louis Amundson, Chris Wilcox, Yi Jianlian, Troy Murphy, D.J. White, Kurt Thomas, Malcolm Thomas, Jared Jeffries, Ike Diogu, Kevin Jones, Juwan Howard, DaJuan Summers

CENTERS: Jason Collins, Joel Przybilla, Johan Petro, DeSagana Diop, Cole Aldrich, Earl Barron, Hamed Haddadi, Henry Sims, Eddy Curry, Hilton Armstrong, Kyrylo Fesenko, Darko Milicic, Dwayne Jones

There you go! Provided we are actually looking now that we have Jamison, there is only a handful of forwards/centers, who could offer something to our team! Personally I can't name one, who is a really outstanding defender and better than what we currently have. I am fine with giving Davies a shot rather than signing some gone and forgotten guys. Maybe once the season starts we could look to improve via trade of some sort, but right now we look set!

Agent0
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Cole Aldrich is probably a better defender than any current Clipper bench big, but he fouls a lot. I say just wait and maybe try and make a trade for Brendan Haywood, though of course that takes Hollins/Mullens minutes (not like people are worried about that).

itsLuigi
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i hope doc knows what he was doing.

its going to be hard playing against the front court in memphis houston and golden state.

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I really think the Clippers should trade for Brendan Haywood.He is a defensive minded big with Championship experience.We could trade Willie Green and Maalik Wayns for him since we don't have a need for them.The downside on Haywood is he isn't a consistent player and is a bad free throw shooter.But those were the knocks on him when he was a starter for the Mavs and Wizards.As a back up playing 10-15 minutes I think he could make an impact without hurting the team with his poor offense and free throw shooting.

Haywood rebounds well and can block shots.He can protect the rim a lot better than Mullens or Hollins could.That would mean playing Mullens at the 4,but honestly I prefer that.Mullens has the height of a C but the frame of a PF.He isn't really a banger so I would rather him play against PF because his height can bother a lot of PF's.That would be a lot better than having him play at C next to Jamison.That is just a bad combination of bigs in my opinion.Than you could have Jamison and Hollins playing as 3rd string bigs in case of injury or foul trouble.

itsLuigi
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yeah i would love if we got haywood that would be epic.

we can have someone else to help guard players like howard and randolph

i don't know if the bobcats would be open to the trade though

i wish they would though that would be a perfect fit for us

ClipperKyle32
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Clippers should sign Darko haha

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I was saying this a few weeks ago. It's a smart idea. Any cons you can list about Haywood don't really matter because of the small but important role he would play...And the fact that we wouldn't give up anything too valuable to get him.

He's got 3years left on his contract at 2mil per. That's probably why they won't do the deal but wow, that really makes it attractive for us. To have a guy like that locked up for 3 season at near the minimum would be quite a luxury...Between him and Mullens, if they both pull their weight, it could be realistic to let DJ walk or even trade him for something next season.

Hopefully DJ finds his game this season but in case he doesn't, I hope we find some useful fall back options.

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Yea I think it's a good idea.We might have to give the Bobcats a 2nd rounder or two to sweeten the deal.They have a lot of bigs so if we offer them Wayns,Willie,and a 2nd round pick I think they will take the deal.They already have Al Jefferson,Bismack Biyombo,Cody Zeller,Anthony Tolliver,Josh McRoberts,and Jeff Adrien(not sure his exact position but I think he's a PF). They have a mix of young bigs and veteran bigs so in my opinion I would think a guy like Haywood is expendable.Don't know if other teams have interest in Haywood but if they don't than maybe we can get them to take the trade.

itsLuigi
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so who do you guys think is going to get the final spot?

a free agent or a camp pick up?

uncool
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I'd take a chance on Michael Beasley when Phx waives him. He'd make a good small-ball PF & I think our veterans can keep him in line...

namzug
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I think they will bring in a few guys to training camp, but probably won't pick up anybody until the later in the season unless someone just blows Doc's mind in training camp.

I'm not that high on Beasley, I don't want another scorer (especially one that is as inefficient as him) that lacks on the defensive side. Then you add all the possible locker room issues he brings. The locker room we have could turn him around, but I don't see the benefit he adds to our roster. Jamison and Beasley are similar except Jamison seems to have a great attitude and no off court issues.

Earlier in the season I would say if we could get him for the minimum, he could be a low risk high reward option. I would prefer to go with Amundson at this point.

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So we need one more spot filled?

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I think this is certainly going to be the last audition DJ should get to keep his job. During the early years of his career you could certainly say that DJ just needed time to learn the game, and its not a far fetched thing to say that big men need more time than small forwards or guards to develop NBA skills. Even last year there was the debate about taking him out of the 4th quarter, so a legitimate case could be made that possibly his numbers would be better if he was left in the game. This year he doesn't have any excuses to fall back on. He is a veteran now, and we brought in the best coach in the game to reveal any potential he may have. If he doesn't have a solid year this year then I fear this is simply the caliber of player he is destined to become.

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I was reading about Gary Payton the other day and what he said reminds me of DJ's situation now. Gary said he had been contemplating quitting basketball early in his career. His coach at the time didn't believe in him and would only play him in the first and third quarters. It wasn't until the team got a new coach, who actually believed in Gary's abilities,that Gary started his impressive NBA run. I'm hoping the same thing happens with DJ. Doc has believed in DJ from the start. Imagine the possibilities!

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This is probably New Thread Worthy but I'll let mods make decision.

Mark Cuban tweeted this link and I spent about 3 hrs staring at it last night. Pretty awesome. advanced analytics regarding each team's offseason and how they'll fare this season.

Extremely detailed down to each player on every team. Primary point is who did the best in off season signings, best value for the buck, and so on. Based on this, Clippers are #1 and Lakers are dead last. Also determines who's the best team now, who's going to win the most games next season, so on. By his math, we're probably 1st or 2nd best team this year and the Lakers could have their worst season in the history of the franchise. I only mention the Lakers because it's so hilarious. They're not average, they're literally one of the very worst teams in the NBA according to these measures.

http://wagesofwins.com/2013/08/26/the-n ... -rehersal/

Check it out, it'll make you feel real good about this upcoming season!

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the only thing wrong w/DJ's game is the conjecture here on this board.... he just needs minutes, and.... growing tired of people offering up our draft picks like they're tp.... do people even look at the draft boards for the coming year.... if we are slotted next year about where we were this year, we stand to be able to draft a very competent backup for Blake, pretty much our most glaring need at the moment.... hold on to those picks, and if anything, stockpile 'em....

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if I'm reading things correctly, we are still smarting from the loss of Reggie Evans, and not so much w/Kenyon.... we missed out on DeJuan Blair, and perhaps w/Camby, we should prolly stay away from Brendan Haywood, and be thankful we passed on Al Jefferson, Marreese Speights, Jermaine O'Neal, and we maybe shoulda kept Ronny over Ryan, albeit am wondering if Turiaf's dollars weren't just a hair too high for our FO.... ??

seems like DJ is great/solid value, at least according to the numbers above, and thinking CP3 and our team's ranking for that matter, is a bit inflated, in that the author used a CP3 salary of $60m/5 years rather than the $107m/5 years, which am guessing might knock us down a few pegs, albeit have no problem in shooting for what again, the author suggests could be a sixty win season....

still sad to look at what we lost out in Paul George, and again we prolly couldn't have afforded to keep him, but by the looks of things, wouldn't have been a bad idea to hold onto Chauncey as our third string guard, and.... apparently it was a good idea to steer clear of Aaron Affalo, and again by the looks of things, we took a hit, in letting go of Bledsoe, in the win department....

for the Clipps, the suggestion is that Dudley, Barnes and Collison were all solid value pickups, and reading between the lines, at least according to the author, it wouldn't take a lot of conjecture to think that if Bullock could become something, and sooner than later, that he might force one of either Reddick or Jamal to the trading block come mid season? and again, according to the stats, and as another poster here suggested earlier.... looks like Arnett Moultrie would be a good target come the trading deadline, if available....

and am remiss in saying it, and it's almost a no brainer that the obvious short term solution for us is.... Lamar, like it or not.... obviously we are missing defense, and looking at the Spurs and the ranking for Kawhi Leonard, and their newbie Andre Roberson, and for players like Tony Allen of Memphis, there is obviously a philosophical difference between FOs and franchises at the moment, sixty wins or not.... it's a different game come playoffs....

and last, the guy says he doesn't like Doc.... apparently story still to come.... ?? !!

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Fab Melo just got waived by the Grizz. what do you guys think of him and would we have a chance at picking him up?

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One of my favorite advanced stat sites. Their pre-season predictions are pretty spot on along with their WP numbers for each player.

They really like what Houston has done so far and "preliminary" predictions has them coming out with the most wins this season and a big favorite to end up in the finals. They like us as well as one of the contenders for the title too.

I'm sure when the article about Rivers comes out it'll upset a lot of fans here.

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Lack of basketball skills and slow NBA d leaguer

tense2
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That was a foopa that will be remedied. In his initial pass CP3's "real" worth in WP was 140 mil.

http://wagesofwins.com/2013/07/03/the-n ... st-part-1/

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The main thing is his FT shooting. If he could shoot at 50-55% there would be way fewer complaints. He has also stunk the bed in the last two playoffs.

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Nice post. Agree on most, there's just so much information in there it's even a bit overwhelmig. I want to see more about the formulas he is using for some of these ratings.

But the CP3 thing, I wrote a comment on there that he screwed it up and he responded by saying it's a typo. He's acting like the mistaken salary was just what he wrote there and not what he used to calculate his value. I mean the guy has CP3 as the #1 most valuable player in the NBA based on WP and cost of his services.

If the salary was calculated wrong it'll have a big affect on our total team rating.

The other thing that shocked me is that he has DJ as a much better value than Blake. He's saying Blake is real good but he is paid commensurate with his value. He's saying DJ is underpaid. I don't get that at all.

Duds, Barnes and Collison, like you said, are our best values beyond CP. Redick is overpaid based on this analysis.

Whatever it is, pretty awesome chart this guy put together. Now the interactive version comes out next week and you'll be able to easily compare players on different teams.

This thing is getting a bookmark from me.

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I'd love to see them get another big since none of our bench bigs are sure thing contributors.

Not sure if Melo is the guy but there would have been a lot of the same things said about DJ after his first season if he wouldn't have been in a nurturing environment/bad team where minutes are readily available.

He has the physical tools and Iguess he has the connection with Doc since they drafted him.

Wouldn't be the worst project to take on since we already have 3 7footers and one of them is going to play PF. LRHR.

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