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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430129by namzug » Jan 17, 2014 - 11:32 AM PST
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There is also this, but his range is not why I like the guy. http://deadspin.com/ivan-johnson-is-shooting-threes-and-doing-the-big- balls-1463226821



                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430137by MunoValente » Jan 17, 2014 - 12:04 PM PST
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There are a lot of fringe PFs and centers playing in China that might be ok. Ivan Johnson obviously, but also Chris Johnson, Shelden Williams, James Singleton, Hakim Warrick, Hamed Haddadi, Shavlik Randolph, Johan Petro, Peter Ramos and few other guys that I'm not as familiar with that are putting just as good or better numbers than those guys. Pretty much every team in China has big man that would usually be fighting for roster spot in the NBA but decided to take the money in China instead.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430138by Andrew818 » Jan 17, 2014 - 12:06 PM PST
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Would love if we signed Ivan Johnson,but don't know if he would want the min.I think other teams might be able to offer him more money.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430139by wessleejr » Jan 17, 2014 - 12:09 PM PST
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So a lot of EX NBA player are already playing in china, I won't be surprise if 15 years from now, half of NBA player are made in China.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430143by namzug » Jan 17, 2014 - 12:46 PM PST
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Shavlick is also interesting to me, since he's played with Doc and probably is familiar with his system.

I want Ivan, because he is a hard nosed player. I think that is not found as often as you'd think in basketball. In football, I think it is a common theme; but not in basketball. It is something we have missed since Reggie and Kmart left, and Elton before that. We get it to an extent from CP and Barnes, but bigs are the ones that could use more than anyone else on the court.

He's an energy guy too, that's why I'm high on this guy. He's not the rebounder that Reggie is, but I don't think there is anyone out there that can rebound like him except maybe ZBo when focused on it. He is like a hybrid between Kmart and Reggie to me, and is a bit more of an offensive threat than either.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430154by MunoValente » Jan 17, 2014 - 01:09 PM PST
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Ivan Johnson would be my first choice from the group too, mostly because he's had the most recent success in the NBA. Shelden Williams would probably my second choice, he's also tough, played for Doc on of one the teams that made the finals, and he's probably been the best player in China this year. He was a big disappointment because he was drafted so high, but as scrappy bench player he had an ok NBA career.

I'm also intrigued by this guy named Charles Gaines, I know very little about him, he's never played in the NBA or D-League as far as I can tell, but he's right there with Johnson and Williams with the numbers he's putting up.

Does anyone know where Craig Smith is playing right now? He played in China's lower tier NBL earlier this year but their season ended a long time ago.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430158by CapsNClips » Jan 17, 2014 - 01:15 PM PST
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Ivan Ivan Ivan Ivan we must get Ivan.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430160by namzug » Jan 17, 2014 - 01:21 PM PST
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No, I saw the Rhinos stats from last season. Haven't found anything more current on him. I thought Ike Diougu was going to make a resurgence with us too, but haven't heard anything on his front. There was a few teams flirting with Ike, but that's it.

I do get a little nervous that Doc has a little bit of infatuation with players that were problems for his teams in the past. I know this is my main concern with this Hedo signing. Is it that he looked good or that Doc was playing back the Orlando playoff videos in his head during the workout.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430164by BringKamanBack » Jan 17, 2014 - 02:45 PM PST
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Ivan johnson is by far the best pick out of the bench. Haddadi coming in second.

I say no to the rhino and Ike.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430168by Dunkathon » Jan 17, 2014 - 03:46 PM PST
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I don't hate Johnson by any means, but we're acting like he's going to save the season or something. He had pretty mediocre stats while he was in the NBA, "toughness" aside, and he's too short IMO to be an effective power forward.

I say no to Ivan Johnson. If we just stay patient and wait until nearer to the trade deadline, we'll be rewarded with an actual NBA-caliber third big instead of pining for scraps in China.

                
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Post ID: 430188by MunoValente » Jan 17, 2014 - 05:51 PM PST
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His stats are weak compared to who? Certainly not Byron Mullens, Ryan Hollins or the crippled ghosts of Turkoglu and Bynum. If a guy can play height isn't all important and he's not even that small 6'8, the same size as Reggie Evans, it's not like he's Charles Barkley size.

If you really want a taller guy though Chris Johnson and Haddadi are there too. Andrew Bynum has lost enough speed he's pretty much the same player as Haddadi but with a bad attitude.

The guys playing in China won't even really be available after the trade deadline, they more last minute options. A lot of guys these are NBA caliber players, some people just prioritize getting paid, rather than caring about where it comes from; a lot of guys playing Europe could step right and be fine bottom of the bench guys too. They are fringe players, but so is everyone who is freely available at this point.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430499by Clipswhit » Jan 17, 2014 - 10:03 PM PST
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Haddadi is still available?!? We should jump all over that. I wonder if the CBA would like Mullens..

                
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Post ID: 430506by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 17, 2014 - 10:18 PM PST
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Haddadi is like a slightly rich man's Hollins.

Not sure he would like to come here though....

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Honestly those were some downright disgusting, disrespectful and embarrassing comments made by our commentators.

                
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Post ID: 430507by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 17, 2014 - 10:22 PM PST
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Our backup bigs would make Ivan Johnson look like Charles Barkley. Lets not act like our backup bigs aren't 3rd string rotation scrubs at best.

Ivan Johnson is a very solid defender and good on the glass. Also a decent free throw shooter. He isn't a savior or THAT great by any means but he is still WAY better than the poor excuse for bigs we have sitting on the bench.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430508by Agent0 » Jan 17, 2014 - 10:28 PM PST
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Ivan Johnson would be a nice pickup. He's undersized, but he is strong, and as a backup he can play both positions for LAC in limited minutes. He has a career average of about 15MPG, which is all the team will likely need him for.

6.6 pts and 3.9 rebs is very good for 15 minutes.

                
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Post ID: 430513by pageC4 » Jan 17, 2014 - 10:58 PM PST
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Mullens isn't going to get any takers until next year when his contract is expiring.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 430514by tense2 » Jan 17, 2014 - 11:02 PM PST
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^expiring or not there won't be many if any takers, lol.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431358by Musy101 » Jan 21, 2014 - 08:53 PM PST
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Link Darko comeback?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431408by namzug » Jan 22, 2014 - 03:09 PM PST
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I don't think Doc would give Darko another shot. We could make the argument that with Byron, he might realize that he has seen worse now.

As far as Ivan or any other back up big available being the savior of the team, is something that is being taken out of context. I think we all can agree that Blake and DJ are living up to expectations. Again I think we can all agree that our back up bigs, are the largest disappointment of the season this far. Blake and DJ need someone to spell them, and what we have is not doing it. If we face a team that is playing big we need someone to take pressure off our bigs. Ivan, Shavlick, and possibly Bynum could fill in for a few minutes a lot better than what we have now. It is not about being the savior, but the right puzzle piece to finish the masterpiece.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431412by CapsNClips » Jan 22, 2014 - 03:40 PM PST
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It's happening you guys, I just feel it. IVAN! IVAN! IVAN!

                
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Post ID: 431413by Dunkathon » Jan 22, 2014 - 03:42 PM PST
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Oh, the current backup bigs are scrubs. You won't see me disagreeing with you there.

Chris Johnson seems like the better option between him and Haddadi if it comes down to going to China for a big, but only because his free throw shooting isn't utterly putrid.

I still fantasize about the Suns buying out Okafor though. That would be the best case scenario.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431414by clipperAndrew » Jan 22, 2014 - 03:45 PM PST
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I will take anyone over Hollins at this point.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431415by itsLuigi » Jan 22, 2014 - 04:03 PM PST
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why did Ivan Johnson get waived? i don't think its a good sign if you get waived by a team in china

                
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Post ID: 431416by CapsNClips » Jan 22, 2014 - 04:14 PM PST
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They probably waived him so he could sign with an NBA team, it's a favor to him.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431417by sz123456 » Jan 22, 2014 - 04:19 PM PST
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That's pretty exciting about Ivan, he would be a great addition

                
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Post ID: 431418by itsLuigi » Jan 22, 2014 - 04:23 PM PST
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i hope so. wouldn't mind giving him a shot

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431420by itsLuigi » Jan 22, 2014 - 04:28 PM PST
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fab melo got sent to the d league? can we pick him up on a 10 day? or does someone own his rights?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431421by namzug » Jan 22, 2014 - 04:34 PM PST
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I wouldn't mind signing him, personally I would have preferred him to Turkoglu. He can be a headcase, but not in the sense of not wanting to play. He has a temper, reminds me of Kmart. I think Atlanta will be signing him quickly, I hope we can sneak him away with the temptation of getting more attention on a bigger market.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431422by namzug » Jan 22, 2014 - 04:44 PM PST
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... siv01.html

                
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Post ID: 431424by MunoValente » Jan 22, 2014 - 04:59 PM PST
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This and also his team isn't a real title contender, so maybe they made a deal to get out of paying him a little or he might even had a buyout written into his contract.

They immediately signed Mike Harris from Jazz to replace him as one of their two American players they are allowed. They love rugged undersized PFs in that league.

                
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Post ID: 431596by toohipcliptoslip » Jan 23, 2014 - 01:56 AM PST
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per 36 min Hollins

10ppg, 1.9 blocks, 6.4 reb, .689 FG%.

BUT 2.4 TO and 6.6 PF

Those aren't bad numbers and he's been playing better lately

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431609by namzug » Jan 23, 2014 - 09:34 AM PST
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I agree with @toohipcliptoslip, Hollins isn't really that bad. He should be our 3rd string center, not our 3rd big man off the bench though. I think the difference between him and Mullens makes Hollins look good too. In Byron's two minutes last night, I thought I missed something and DJ was hurt. I was ready to turn the tv off. My issue with Hollins is he makes a lot of those little mistakes that use to drive us nuts with DJ before.

So I say I will take Hollins over Mullens, but would like a better option over both.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431618by LABraves4Life » Jan 23, 2014 - 10:17 AM PST
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Here is the story on Ivan. ESPN says he's likely to sign for minimum and that Clippers are interested! I'm all for this as his PER was 15.8 last year in NBA.

"Ivan Johnson free to sign NBA deal January, 23, 2014

Forward Ivan Johnson decided to play in China this season instead of signing with an NBA team after none would match his asking price. Last week there was a report that several NBA teams have interest in talking to him once his season is over with Zhejiang Chouzhou Golden Bulls in February. Well, they don't have to wait as he was released by the Chinese team on Wednesday, according to Chris Vivlamore of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution:.

Previously Vivlamore reported the Hawks could re-sign the forward and that the Bulls, Knicks, Pacers and Clippers my have interest now after targeting him in the summer.

Johnson should be easy to sign as he will likely accept a rest-of-season, minimum contract."

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6534/ivan-johnson Ivan's PER = 15.8 http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/lac/cat/PER/los-angeles-clipp ers = Current team not a single big off the bench has a PER of even 10

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Clippers Free Agency Watch Thread 2013 Post ID: 431637by Andrew818 » Jan 23, 2014 - 02:26 PM PST
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Ivan Johnson would fit in perfectly off the bench.He fights for rebounds and plays tough defense.Man I hope Doc tries to sign him.If Ivan signs somewhere else then I would also give a look at Malcolm Thomas who was just waived by the Spurs.

                
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10 Post Subject: Who Would U Sign for the Clippers, Free Agents Right Now Post ID: 434403by mastaslice » Feb 02, 2014 - 11:05 PM PST
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Any free agents, right now, u think the clippers need?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 434443by namzug » Feb 03, 2014 - 11:03 AM PST
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I would take a look at Dashawn Stevenson. This is only because we are bringing in Vucevic. Why not bring a guy known for defense, that has a serviceable yet inconsistent shot. At least you know he will do all the other things. As we have seen shot comes and goes. Defense, rebounding, passing, and effort seem to be more of a consistent thing.

I'm ready to bring Ike Diougu at this point.

                
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Post ID: 436943by Agent0 » Feb 10, 2014 - 06:17 PM PST
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Speaking of old washed up players, look who will be available soon and actually despite being ancient would be useful:

http://t.basketball.realgm.com/realgm/# ... 534f5ea5/1

Yes, the man himself, Marcus Camby, 39 years old and still going. He can be our P.J. Brown.

                
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Post ID: 436944by jarca » Feb 10, 2014 - 06:22 PM PST
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Down. I think he's still smart enough to know how to rotate on defense without fouling cough cough Hollins

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 436946by MunoValente » Feb 10, 2014 - 06:35 PM PST
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Camby could kind of play defense last year, but he was just beyond terrible on offense, 32% on 2 point shots and 42% from the line and a high turnover rate, ugh.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 436955by Agent0 » Feb 10, 2014 - 07:46 PM PST
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I don't mind the missed shots that much, but the turnovers were a bit excessive. He does rebound and can still defend in limited minutes and could even teach DJ a thing or two

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 436961by clipper*joe » Feb 10, 2014 - 08:20 PM PST
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Pass on Camby. Coming off a plantar fascia injury at 39 yrs old is nothing but bad news. Camby hasn't been the same since leaving Portland.

                
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Camby?

I can almost hear Ralph now... "The LOB... THE J- ...ooh, that doesn't look good".

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 436967by JQuick32 » Feb 10, 2014 - 08:56 PM PST
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Too old and too injury prone. We need a third big who can realistically play.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 436999by wessleejr » Feb 11, 2014 - 09:45 AM PST
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Camby ?...... he will just play for 5 games and back to the bench for 3 months because of injury, we don't need a lot of veterans, we already have, we need a younger legs who can play until the end of the playoff and hopefully for the finals.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 437000by itsLuigi » Feb 11, 2014 - 10:14 AM PST
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Nikola Mirotic? not really familiar with him but been hearing talk about him

                
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Post ID: 437004by MunoValente » Feb 11, 2014 - 10:22 AM PST
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He has been considered the best or at least one of the best players in Europe the last few years, but he's not available, the Bulls have his rights. He's expected to come over and be a good player fairly quickly like Splitter, Scola or Ginobili.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 437016by namzug » Feb 11, 2014 - 12:30 PM PST
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I would like Camby as a player development coach. It seems he has a good relationship with the guys, and could really help DJ take another step.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Who Else to Sign Free Agency Watch Thread Post ID: 437021by Icecoldclipper » Feb 11, 2014 - 01:02 PM PST
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We need to get Bill Walton more involved in our franchise would be a great look. As for free agents whatever happen to Hassan Whiteside?

                
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Post ID: 437023by MunoValente » Feb 11, 2014 - 01:29 PM PST
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He's currently playing in Lebanon after playing in the NBL the second tier Chinese league earlier in the year.

                
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Post ID: 437035by -clippernation- » Feb 11, 2014 - 03:23 PM PST
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I still like Teodosic more than Mirotic. He's like a better Ricky Rubio, because he can shoot from anywhere.

                
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