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ClipTakeover
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Hell no. DJ = future. Hibbert = wack. Hibbert really isn't as good as people make him to be, overrated is what he is.

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beasley's not that bad. he's decent. would probably put up better numbers than dudley did this year

sefolosha would be a great defensive player to have, but he wouldn't get any minutes behind crawford and redick.

ClipperKyle32
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The thing is. If Collison walks. Do you put Jamal at the back up PG and SeFalosha at the backup SG with Barnes at SF and Baby and another backup big

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interesting. but given Hibberts recent struggles ttading him for DJ may end up being a lateral move. I think at this point we should just resign DJ but try for a lower price $9 million per year...he won't go for that though

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I don't mind if Collison walks to be honest. But I hope that Doc can sign him and trade him for some defensive pieces.

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Lance Stephenson may not be back. We should go after him. A good defender with some shooting ability beyond the arc

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The Pacers are high on salary and taking in a small asset like Reggie Bullock would not hamper them. ESPN's trade machine says this trade would work. Pacers keep their salary low and take in a rookie contract, we get some defense and then can move one of our SG's for a back up big and for cap space to sign Lance to a higher contract. Just a thought.

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Better numbers wouldn't mean he's actually helping the team though, just means he's putting up better numbers because he'll obviously be much more willing to shoot, he still wouldn't have a position he can defend, and he's not a SF.

True about Sefolosha, but I think one of Redick or Jamal should be let go, so I'm taking that into account.

If Stephenson isn't signed, it will be because he's a trouble maker, but again in that scenario, we need to move SG since we obviously don't want three SG's all making >$5M. The word is that teams around the league are weary, Indiana will get a good deal if they keep him.

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I wouldn't mind crawford as a back up point guard. he practically played it this season with how much the ball was in his hands. although like what agent0 said doc wouldn't want 3 SG, we would probably end up trading jamal or reddick for a SF or a back up C if we ended up going after sefalosha.

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yeah he is a little trigger happy but at least he's willing to take a shot unlike dudley. only if he put more effort into his game; he would be so much better. he has the size and athleticism. it sucks to see a number two fail like that.

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Definitely not. Very overrated by the media case and a crazy nutcase. No needs for him in the locker room.

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Hill should not be a long term or short term solution at backup C if he is brought here he should be backing Blake. He could play some spot minutes in small ball but we need to be longer and a banger next to him. You don't downgrade to Hibbert not to mention his fragile ego when Paul, Blake, and others are getting more shots.

I would be good with Beasley but So has him in the dog house because he hasn't grasped the aggressive defensive Heat schemes. Reports say he is trying but Doc could be the same way. Turner being a ball handler would be helpful but he is a question mark scoring.

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I think that we should go after Jordan Hill as a back up to Blake. I love Hill's activity on the defensive end and he's not too shabby on the offensive side, a solid backup. Also I think we need to go after Andrew Bynum. We don't have to offer him much because he didn't do much this season and his knees are still a question mark. I think the smart thing to do would offer him a two year deal. First year 1 mil (exactly how much he got this season) and second year a 1.5 mil team option. Could even offer the same kind of deal to Greg Oden if Miami decides to let him go.

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I like your thought process and do agree with you that he is a good defensive player but his antics are toxic. Great player, horrible attitude, no thank you. Let the Lakers take players like that

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Why do people still want Sefolosha? He lost his shot and his defense is nothing to write home about.

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Icecoldclipper wrote:
Hill should not be a long term or short term solution at backup C if he is brought here he should be backing Blake. He could play some spot minutes in small ball but we need to be longer and a banger next to him. You don't downgrade to Hibbert not to mention his fragile ego when Paul, Blake, and others are getting more shots.

I would be good with Beasley but So has him in the dog house because he hasn't grasped the aggressive defensive Heat schemes. Reports say he is trying but Doc could be the same way. Turner being a ball handler would be helpful but he is a question mark scoring.

Good points, I'd say Turner is a question mark with scoring and shooting, not a very efficient player, and he's average on defense only too. The fit doesn't seem good on this team, certainly not wit the current roster, but even if we made some moves, not sure I'm so confident with him as my primary backup wing.

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yeah he is a little trigger happy but at least he's willing to take a shot unlike dudley. only if he put more effort into his game; he would be so much better. he has the size and athleticism. it sucks to see a number two fail like that.
He certainly had some of the tools to be a pretty good player, but he didn't put it together, ah well.

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Too bad Reggie Jackson isn't a free agent. I'd love to have him as CP3's backup. Although, when he does become a free agent, he will likely seek a starting job.

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If we can get them for cheap, it would be nice if the Clippers could add Okafor (pending health) and Shawn Marion. They would help solidify defense especially off the bench.

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news for Okafor has been non existent. does anyone know his health and contract status?

ClipsGForce
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I do like bringing Jordan Hill. He's not our answer whatsoever but he is a better back up than let say Hollins.

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Those would be nice players if they are attainable for cheap, but we'll see how our money situation works out and what options are available.

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jordan hill was playing pretty good against us this year..

he brings lots of energy..

could fit very well with crawford and barnes and bullock and hedo..

Agent0
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Thabo Sefolosha sounded like a goner. Of course, he can't come out and say that. It'd be foolish. You never know what can happen, and burning a bridge is always a boneheaded move. He spoke glowing of his time with the Thunder, but repeatedly spoke in the past tense and never said he wanted to be back. When asked if he expects to be back, Sefolosha skirted around the question. "I have no clue," he said. "I'm going to have to take some time to think about a lot of things and see the options and take it from there."

Thabo on the frustration of being benched after Game 2: "It was very frustrating, very frustrating. It's never easy. I would say the last month has been a little frustrating. I'm happy to see the team win, but obviously it's definitely not the way we wanted to end the season. It's just tough. You've got a lot of questions, like, why and what is the thought process necessarily behind it? Things like that. You just stick with the plan, stick with your teammates. But definitely it's frustrating at times."

Thabo on how that benching might impact his free agency decision: "I mean, I like winning. I like winning. I want to be in a good place with a chance to win something, and that's definitely something that we have here. So definitely the system is a big part of it. You want to be happy and be able to play to your strengths. But at the same time, it's going to be a lot of questions going on in the summer and (we'll) see where it takes me."

Thabo on looking back at his time with the Thunder now that his contract is ending: "It was a great time. The organization, the teammates, the friendships that I've built here with the guys, it's nothing but positive things. Looking back, we did some amazing things, going from winning 20-something games to more than 50 games. Just being able to have the opportunity that Sam (Presti) gave me to be part of this group, it's been a great time here in Oklahoma City. Obviously the fans and the city is something that's very special. It was a great time, and I'm happy about the time here and we'll see what the future holds."

To my point earlier, Thabo talked about defense and everyone needing to be held accountable. I'll write about that in the days and weeks to come. But one of the most interesting things he talked about was how the Thunder's style of play hurt him. It's something I've written about extensively when calling for Brooks to develop a more structured system. Role players like Sefolosha would thrive under more structure. Instead, they're never sure when they're next shot, their next touch, is coming. It prevents players like Sefolosha from feeling comfortable and never allows them to get into a rhythm. Role players have to understand that and play better. But when certain guys struggle, I can't pin the blame solely on them. They have to be put in positions to succeed going forward. I think we'd see better performances from not just Sefolosha, but also Perkins, Lamb, Jackson, Caron Butler and Derek Fisher.

Here's Thabo's take: "Looking back, it's kind of hard to get into a rhythm when you get in and have to sit down for extended minutes like this and not really knowing if you're going to get any shots or anything, any kind of rhythm. The system at that time and the way we play didn't really favor for me to get the opportunity to get into some sort of groove at that point. It was tough, and then coach had to make decisions at that point."

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Definitely should be available in the market for us if we make other moves where he ends up making sense.

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^ There's a reason he was benched. Did you watch him this season? He's a complete shell of his former self on offense and defense. We can't afford to take a risk on someone who was basically the Oklahoman version of Jared Dudley this season. LOL Dudley might actually be better than Thabo now JK, but it's close.

And to be honest I kinda want to keep Dudley next season because we aren't going to get sh*t for him anyways so we might as well keep him on the roster and pray he steps it up a little. Remember he's only getting $3mil a year so it's not killing us to have him.

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sefelosha= bad idea....

Hill= good idea


clipperboy24
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Dudley gets $4.5 and yes that is killing us because its a complete waste of cash

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You're right, I got Matt's contract mixed up with Dudley's.

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Here's some guys I'd like to bring in on a cheap deal:

Danny Granger - Might still have something to prove, maybe a 1 year prove it deal (I know it's unlikely, both that he returns to 85% of his old self and that he accepts a cheap deal).

Brandon Rush - If he could return to previous form could be a steal.

Ivan Johnson - Don't think it's a possibility.

Gustavo Ayon - I think would work out well for us.

Seraphin- Would be replacing Hollins.

Shanon Brown - I think he could be a solid back up if we traded a wing to get a solid 3 or back up C.

Wes Johnson - Some possible potential.

Shawn Marion -I know a cheap deal is unlikely but if he wants to play for a contender could be a possibility.

Aminu - would be a great bench energy player.

Kris Humphries - on a cheap deal would be ok.

Anthony Morrow - Cheap 3pt specialist (I don't think you can have too many).

Marvin Williams - I'm on the fence.

Richard Jefferson - depends which one you are getting shot decent percentage from deep last year.

Agent0
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I saw him, his shot was off this season (though he decided to be useful on offense against us) which was really the main reason OKC soured on him. His defense was fine, better than any perimeter defender we have. He just made $3M and his salary isn't going up, so were talking about a guy we could get for less than $3M.

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I like the idea of Sefalosha.

I think he would be a bargain too.

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I really like the idea of Marvin Williams. Last year he was somewhat of a 3pt threat for the first time in his career and he's definitely still a threat on defense.

He would definitely be useful against the Thunder because he's versatile enough to guard either of their two best players.

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Aminu would be a very strong fit here off the bench. So far Aminu and Hill would be great addition ideas and it gives us youth and some upside.

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wonder if Luol Deng would come over for a slight discount. Maybe 12mil per year, 4 years. I'm sure somebody will offer him max money or close to it but probably bad teams like the Lakers are primary bidders.

S&T Dudley, Barnes, Bullock and maybe the pick if need be. I think the money would barely match up if he took 12mil instead 14-15mil.

Then sign Granger and Pierce on the cheap for depth.

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Pretty sure CP and Doc would be able to manage LS. Also pretty sure that CP especially would like having that kind of player.

He kind of embarrassed himself in the Heat series and that's going to reduce his value, especially since the GM has openly criticized. Lowers FA value, lowers the Pacers leverage in a trade attempt.

What I see in that guy is somebody who will do anything he can to win. Plays hard all the time and a true 2-way player. The things people don't like about him are fixable and I really think he needs a team with a clear leader. PG is a great player but he doesn't have the superstar aura yet. Blake does and CP personifies it. Pus Doc.

We're a team that could get him a little cheaper, could maximize his value and eliminate the "clutter" in his game.

ClipperKyle32
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Mike Miller anyone?

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Brandon Rush, depending on how he has recovered, could be a good choice as a backup.

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If nick young isn't delusional about his value, I would like to give him a shot

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i wouldn't want him back. rather go after Ron Artest.

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trade everyone away to get under cap but Chris Paul, Blake griffin , Reggie bullock and Deandre Jordan. Sign Carmelo. trade Reggie bullock to the spurs for patty mills (sign and trade deal) Split Our mid -level exception and sign Sefolosha and Jordan hill. Since Paul Pierce wants to come here Sign him to a bi- annual deal. then fill the rest of the team out on veteran minimum deals.

Starting lineup:

Chris paul, Sefolosha, Carmelo Anthony, Blake griffin, and Deandre Jordan.

Bench:

Patty mills, Paul pierce, Jordan Hill

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Melo will probably opt in. I think we should save this idea for next season if we do not get to the WCF or Finals. That Is when you consider a blow up of the team

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we shouldn't be afraid to tinker though. even with a squad of Griffin, Paul, Jordan, Redick, Crawford, and Barnes we were a second round out. Look at how much improved the grizzlies became when they dealt away Rudy Gay. as long as it improves our club we shouldn't be afraid to do it. I think at this point no one on this squad should be considered untradeable

ClippersDA
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I agree gotta take big risks to get the rewards. I would not be against making bold moves this offseason

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Once the Spurs beat Miami, we should trade away anyone but Blake and CP3 for Lebron in a sign and trade deal.

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I would rather take a wait and see attitude and build AROUND our core of bg, cp3, and Jordan this next season. We didn't make it to the wcf because of bad ref calls at the end of games 5 & 6.had the refs have been more correct in their calls, we would have played the spurs. You build a championship off of a CORE of players, like the spurs have done. Even Miami's big three didn't gel their first year. I say we keep this core intact one more season, acquire some REF BEATER players,(players that get you the win DESPITE bad calls), and try it one more time this way. We have WAY too many people on this site that HAVE NO PATIENCE AND demand INSTANT GRATIFICATION to soothe their soul, rather than build a championship with common sense, logic, and again, a little patience.

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If there's one thing that I think we desperatly need next season is a capable back up Center that can come in when DJ is either in foul trouble or they are hacking him and not expose us.

This season once Baby came in for DJ in the playoffs we were instantly vulnerable in the paint on defense and it changed the way we played. I would love to get a veteran who can hit free throws, rim protect, and have a jump shot to space the floor a little.

Dream: Timmy Duncan - Never gonna happen and I'd honestly be pissed if he didn't retire a Spur, but that's why it's a dream and not a reality.

Wishful thinking: Pau Gasol - He needs us just as much as we need him, but he also fits really well with Memphis.

Reality: Spencer Hawes - Not a great rim protector, but absolutely capable of starting over DJ for matchup/injury reasons

Ehh: Jordan Hill - He's definitely a spark plug off the bench with his energy and hustle, but he's definitely just a backup caliber player.

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Some of the fans here are former Lakers fans they are not used to losing games, they are just here because the Lakers sucks now.

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That's debatable. I'm not buying into it. Gay >>Prince. I for one am happy to watch them struggle on the offensive end. They would have been better with Gay and the improvement of Conley and Allen. They have a definite weakness (much like us) at the three since moving Gay.

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True that gay is a better player than tayshuan prince but it doesn't necessarily mean that he was a better fit for that team. After the trade that team went to the western conference finals. Rudy Gay was a Black hole for there team, Same when he was one the raptors, and when they traded him away again the raptors played better this year.

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yeah gotta agree with caps on this one. we definitely need a back up for DJ; probably even more than a small forward. i was looking at the list of free agents and there are a lot of possibilities.

Boris Diaw

Elton Brand

Kris Humphries

Andre Blatche

Josh McRoberts

DeJuan Blair

Darrel Arthur

Jan Vesely

Charile Villanueva

Jermaine O'neal

Chris Kaman

Chirs Andersen

Rashad Lewis

Udonis Haslem

Kenyon Martin

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I understand what your saying but you have to look at it this way. Our core in the names of Paul, Griffin and Jordan have been together 3 years. Out side of the improvement Blake Griffin and Jordan and chris paul playing his usual game, our same weaknesses exist in regards to the wings and depth up front. It wouldn't hurt to be open to trade a combination ROLE PLAYERS for more consistent and talented players. Our Biggest mistake was trading Bledsoe so quickly. He was the clipper best trading chip and lets say he did stay and played the way he did this year, approaching the trade deadline we could have gotten better players than reddick and dudley (essentially 2 role players that we inserted as starters). I have one question for you though how long are you willing to wait and waist the prime year of chris paul until your on board to trade or seek out needed players? its not like he is 25 he is 30 and 6 foot how much banging do you think he can endure until he's starts the down trail of his career. This isn't a wait a see time, we should be in win now mode whether its a risky trade or a questionable signing, all options shouldn't relinquished based on hypothetical, questionable game, or bring up what should of happened.

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I would actually really like Jordan Hill. He would definitely fill that Reggie Evans-esque role, and he's young. Pau Gasol would be nice, but I'm not sure he would take a backup job when he can get a starting job elsewhere. Same with Hawes.

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