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Now that we have the richest owner in the NBA with Steve Ballmer we can go above the luxury and I'm sure Mr. Ballmer is more than willing to do that to make sure we win multiple championships. With that being said though, just because we have the assets to do it doesn't mean we should. The free agents that I'd love to go after are Carmelo Anthony first and for most. I think with the addition of Melo we'd be a lock to go to the NBA finals. We can conduct a sign and trade with the Knicks, probably would have to throw some cash and draft picks their way, but I'm not 100% convinced that Adam Silver would allow that to happen. We do not, I repeat, DO NOT need to blow up our roster to get Melo. I'd love to go after Paul Pierce but he'd have to be ok with coming off the bench and taking a pay cut. Then Carlos Boozer if he were to get amnestied, I think that he still has enough production in him to be a decent contributor off the bench. Chris Anderson is a great option though he will not be a free agent this off season. I think our best options with centers will be Bynum and Oden. Though Bynum according to a report from TMZ Bynum would rather join the Lakers again than come to the Clippers. More power to him, didn't think he'd be that loyal. We need to get Metta WorldPeace, we messed up last off season not getting him and taking Antwan instead. The way Metta and Matt play together is amazing and with Metta we get another great character that will keep defenses honest. We need to stay away from Lance Stephenson, he's a bad character guy and his antics are beyond unacceptable, though most likely controllable under Doc Rivers, I don't want our team to deal with that headache. Chandler Parsons is a great option for us and would fit our team perfectly but he deserves a bigger contract than we can offer him. If he's willing to take a pay cut I'm all for it. I'd also love to keep Danny Granger. I think he still has enough in the tank to contribute for us but I would not be surprised if he leaves for more money. Last but not least I'd like us to make a strong push for Jordan Hill. He's great on both ends of the court and would give both DJ and Blake relief. Pau Gasol is an option but I think he'd rather go back to the Grizzlies and play with his brother. Glen Davis could still be a good 3rd option off the bench but who knows if we can get our hands on quality bigs. So this long post in list form

We need to get our starting SF and depth situation sorted out first.

Small Forwards:

  1. Carmelo Anthony (hopeful sign and trade 3 yr deal)

  2. Paul Pierce (2 yr mid level exception)

  3. Chandler Parsons (what we can give him for X yr)

  4. Danny Granger (2 yr vet minimum)

  5. Metta WorldPeace (1 yr vet minimum)

Power Forwards:

  1. Jordan Hill (2 yr mid level exception)

  2. Carlos Boozer (2 yr vet minimum, 2nd yr un-guaranteed)

  3. Pau Gasol (2 yr vet minimum, 2nd yr un-guaranteed)

  4. Glen Davis (2 yr vet minimum)

Centers:

  1. Chris Anderson (have to make a trade for him)

  2. Greg Oden (2 yr vet minimum, 2nd yr un-guaranteed)

  3. Andrew Bynum (2 yr vet minimum, 2nd yr un-guaranteed)

  4. Ryan Hollins (1 yr vet minimum)

*NOTE: All power forward options can play the 5 as well.

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Scared of Pierce. He might turn out to be like Billups where he expects minutes just caused of the name on his jersey

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Oh also forgot Mike Miller is available. Should keep him in mind as a third string option

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Yeah I completely get where you're coming from but I think the at this point in his career he's more concerned with winning another ring rather than getting minutes. We saw evidence of that this past season with Pierce coming off the bench for Brooklyn a good chunk of games. Also Pierce actually came out publicly and embraced the roll.

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Also the only point guard I'd want us to go after is Shawn Livingston. Can really help our team and would pair great with both JCrossover and DC

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Only way I see Pierce on the bench for us is if there is a clear cut better option. Unless we get high upside guy in the draft or Carmelo he starts.

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I love Marion, but he's really on the old side. He would bring veteran experience and be a great defender though, so if the price is right, maybe.

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I like Hinrich too, I've always liked his game

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Well as long as he doesn't get an Achilles injury and isn't being played out of position as a PF, then actually it isn't really an issue. Billups issues also stemmed from his injury and him being played as a SG, it was actually fine in year 1 even though I still didn't like the SG Billups. I mentioned in the other thread, that some of us are scared of these old guys but seem to forget that Jamal is going to be 35 years old in March next year, while we head into the post-season. Guy might not seem like it, but he's old! It's going to be his 15th season!

Unless we go out and get a glut of SF's like how we had Paul/Bledsoe/Jamal/Billups/Green as guards, and ones as good or better than Pierce, he should be playing. Of course if we get a guy like Carmelo (I don't think this is happening, though maybe, but just saying), we don't go out and get Pierce too.

CapsNClips, I've been saying for a while that a young, big SF like Williams or Aminu would be nice. Williams I put higher because of his ability to shoot, and he's also been know to at least be committed to defending, can't necessarily vouch for how good he is, but he's certainly above average there with good size and length. I also like them because they shouldn't be expensive.

Now, I will add also that in the end, if we CAN get Carmelo and the price is to trade DJ, it is probably a move worth doing. I'm not some super Carmelo fan, but I like him still and he can do some good things. He's not Lebron or Durant, but he's the next tier of SF, just right below and in the end, it is much more difficult to get a player of Carmelo's caliber than it is to replace the impact of DJ. I'm not talking about getting an exact replica of DJ, so not getting McGee, but replacing the big man who defends and rebounds and can finish.

Carmelo isn't individually anything special on defense, but Carmelo isn't some defensive liability where he's going to hurt your defense in a good defensive system, no, he'd be fine, and he's an excellent rebounder for his position.

If you can package Jordan + Dudley + Bullock for Carmelo, you do it, actually try and trade as little as possible first. Look to trade Crawford and whatever else for someone like Mozgov or bring in Okafor, trade for Biyombo, some guy like that. Go sign someone like Aminu for cheap as a backup big. Let's say crazy Delonte pans out.

Chris Paul / Delonte West

J.J. Redick / Backuo SG

Carmelo Anthony / Al Farouq Amino or Marvin Williams

Blake Griffin / Glen Davis

Emeka Okafor or Bismack Biyombo or Timofey Mozgov or something.

Whatever, it's an excellent roster as long as you get the right role players. Honestly you might even be better served moving Redick also and going with a more defensive SG, but unlike our current team, this team actually has a chance further in the playoffs with the mentality of beating down opponents with offense, so it's not as critical.

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I'm not as high on Carmelo as everyone else. I feel he is too much of an Iso player and losing Alvin Gentry would only encourage that type of play in my opinion. I don't hate Carmelo, I just try to think of players that would play defense all out and still fit the mold of Doc's (Alvin's) motion offense.

I'd prefer Deng over Carmelo at this point. If Deng can be had and a solid PF/C back up is also attainable I'd be sold. I'd like to move Jamal or JJ for either Deng or a solid back up at the 4/5 spot. I'd like Aminu, and I mentioned Marvin but haven't really watched to much of him. I would like a cheap deal for a Wes Johnson too.

My Ideal Line up

CP3/Livingston

Sefalosha/JJ or Jamal/ Reggie/ W. Green

Deng or Ariza/ Barnes/ Reggie

Blake/ Hill/ Draft Pick

DJ/ Hill/ Draft Pick/ Hollins

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CP3/ Livingston

JJ/Reggie/W. Green

Marion/Barnes/ W. Johnson/ Reggie

Blake/ Blatche/ Marion

DJ/ Blatche/ Hollins

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if they can get paul gasol on the cheap...that would take care of pf/c backup...he could play 15 min a game..

deng on the mid level exception..

and west as pg back up..

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Wes Johnson kinda sucks though. I'm not huge on Melo, I'm critical of him, but if you're getting him for the price of DJ + a $4-5M player, it is possibly worth it. There are enough defensive C's around who you can get for cheap.

Carmelo is able to score off the ball too, and if you move Crawford, you just replace Crawford's isolation plays with Carmelo's. So I can certainly see how it makes sense. He'll have to revert to more of a 23 PPG kind of player, but his efficiency should go up having to take less bad shots. I can't vouch for his willingness to do that. In addition, his playoff offensive efficiency and playmaking leaves a lot to be desired, thing of course, opponents defensive level and his team offensive strength plays a role, so does his play style in terms of his poor overall performance in some of these series. He did well with Denver in 08-09 though.

I like both those lineups. Id take Williams over both Barnes and like already said, not a huge fan of Wes, but I won't complain as a 3rd SF. I'd also prefer Frye over Blatche, but the trade pieces to get him might not be there.

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What everyone is failing to realize is that Melo plays his game according to the coach and offensive system that he is in. So it causes him to play iso a lot because he's the only factor. Examples. .... In denver, George Karl was a iso offensive type of guy. The same with Dantoni and Woodson when they were in NY. Melo has "NEVER" had a pass first point guard. And that's why he would thrive on the Clippers and in Doc's system. Doc, Blake and CP3 would turn Melo into the true star he is. Just look at what they did to turn up DJ's game. If Melo comes to the Clippers, then all that iso and ball hogging will come to a hault! Because he would now have a PG in CP3 that would compliment his game.

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Karl is not an iso coach as evidenced by how the team played after Melo left, and actually how Melo played when Karl first came, especially with Andre Miller. He really got him to not let the ball get stuck, but Melo reverted back to similar habits.

Woodson I agree is an iso coach, so he certainly makes it look worse.

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The more I research the more it seems like we are stuck

with Barnes. Unfortunately Granger didn't pan out. That

would have been perfect.

I'd take a Battier type player at the starting 3.

If Perkins is Cut I would def like him as a backup.

I think Agent0 is severely under valuing DJ. I need to

see this list of Centers who can match DJ in production

and future potential.

His Freakish athleticism has to be accounted for. He gets

10 ppg with the best fg% in the nba. Though he doesn't

have an offensive game 10-14.6 - 2.5 I need to see these

centers that can fill those numbers, because you make them

seem like they come a dime a dozen..

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Any way we can nab Gerald Green from the Suns. He was playing great last year and seems to have finally started to figure it out. He can shoot it off the catch and dribble and is great for transition and lob plays. His d is getting better and with all of the tools he has, Doc can make him the defensive shooting threat we need for the wing

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You don't need to match those numbers, you just have to be good enough at a certain role. I mean it was great for DJ to get the opportunity to play big minutes and put up a double double, but he didn't just become a double double capable player, he's been that, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to play the minutes required to get there.

Like I said, it all lies in how the coaching staff views him. If they say "this guy is going to be an elite defender and elite defensive anchor", numbers aside, then yes, you go with him. If not, the role of big man rebounder / defender / shot blocker can currently be filled adequately with some cheaper players. That isn't always the case, but there's a current window.

Not all 10/10/2-3 guys are made equal, one guy does it an is a good player, but another guy can do it and be an elite defender.

You might not believe it now, but in practice, Dalembert used to be in competition with Iverson in terms of who won races. Dalembert's best season was 10/10/2 and hitting 70% FT. Just giving an example, not saying we should try and get him.

I actually don't think DJ will get moved, I don't think our FO is that daring or maybe that imaginative, but despite me actually really liking him, I don't think his impact is irreplaceable, but by saying that I don't mean you get the exact same player back or someone who does all the same things, just someone who can also rebound, defend and finish.

Stylistical differences happen, doesn't mean one is better or worse necessarily, and if they produce similarly, then style is style.

Are there other bigs who if they are playing 35-36 minutes (and are capable) could produce similar numbers to DJ, of course. There are some I would want, some I want no part of, some we can get and some we can't. I'll post DJ as well some we can get and their per 36 (pts/rebs/blks/fouls) and their contracts.

DeAndre Jordan (10.7/14.0/2.5/3.3 - 63.0% TS) - $11.44M

Miles Plumlee (11.8/11.8/1.6/3.4 - 52.9% TS) - $1.17M

Emeka Okafor (13.4/12.1/1.4/2.5 - .496 TS) - free agent

Timofey Mozgov (15.7/10.7/2.0/4.3 - .584 TS) - $4.65M

Of course Plumlee and Mozgov are the closer ones in terms of pick and roll play. Plumlee is like a DJ clone, Mozgov is a better offensive player but more foul prone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these guys are necessarily as good as he was last season or that they are worse either, but I'm saying that based on money saved if it goes into a player whose impact in comparison to replacement is high than DJ's impact vs replacement with any of these guys then we have to consider it.

I'm only mentioning possibly available players as non available players mean nothing to us. If we're just trying to list players who can do similar things and/or produce similarly to DJ:

Andre Drummond, Javale McGee, Miles Plumlee, Marcin Gortat, Larry Sanders. If we don't require the guy to necessarily be as good of a run and jump athlete, Nikola Vucevic but he isn't a shot blocker. Omer Asik, Jonas Valanciunas actually is a pretty good run and jump guy himself. Production wise of course we also add Bogut.

Of course on the higher level we have Dwight Howard. Noah is in the middle of the levels. Anthony Davis is a PF.

This doesn't negate that DJ is in the upper echelon of the run and jump part with Dwight, Drummond, McGee, Sanders (not a special jumper, but very mobile and a very quick jumper) and actually Plumlee can get in there too. Also this isn't neglecting that guys like that get paid $10-12M quite often, but if we can save on that player right now, while still getting similar production / impact, then there's no reason not to. I mean for example, is DJ really better than Mozgov? Mozgov can't run as fast or jump as high, but he's got fairly quick jumping ability and is a good,pick and roll player/finisher. He's a better post defender, and offensive player. vastly superior shooter, but inferior rebounder numbers wise. Still, he has a career 10.1 rebs/36 and had 10.7 rebs/36 last season, so it's not like he sucks there though.

If you can switch one for the other and with the extra $6.5M improve significantly at SF or backup PF/C for example, then it's worth it, but I wouldn't trade him just to trade him.

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Here is what we do in short. We get LeBron in a sign and trade with him taking less money and us sending DJ, Dudley and Green to Miami. We sign some garbage guys to fill the bench with and look for options on a serviceable and cheap center - Aaron Gray, Okafor, Mohammed, O'Neal. We resign Collison if he opts out.

Final result:

PG - Paul / Collison

SG - JJ / J-Cross /

SF - LeBron / Barnes / Bullock

PF - Blake / Big Baby / garbage guy

C - O'Neal or somebody else / Draft pick (Clint Capela, Mitch McGary...)

Now we remain pretty short on the 4 and 5 in terms of quality, but both Barnes and LeBron can play PF in small line-up.

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I would only agree to this deal if you can get Pau Gasol to start at the 5. His value is cheap right now. But like I have been saying, Doc loves DJ. Look at what he did to his confidence and game. You find me another center that runs the floor, plays D and is just as athletic as DJ and ill say trade DJ in a sec. But there isn't one.

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I 100% agree

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There's no way the Suns give up on Green. Besides, do you really want the Clippers to get fleeced by the Suns in a trade again? Very Happy

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I just said, there are other C's like that, but what's the point of trading DJ for a similar player who makes the same amount of money?

Other guys: Drummond, McGee, Plumlee, Gortat

High level: Howard

...only Drummond and Plumlee make less, but Drummond won't be traded. Gortat isn't as athletic jumping wise but he's a very mobile big who can run the floor and defend. Still, he'll make a similar amount most likely, so doesn't do much. I suppose you could also add Sanders, but again, he's making $11M.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brookl ... son-a-look

Looks like Ivan Johnson's coming in for a workout.

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I want us to get younger, upcoming players, not more, old farts, on our roster, PERIOD!

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I don't see the point in Gerald Green, JJ, Jamal, Previous Nick Young,

all same type of players.

We just need 2 players. A starting SF and a Back-up Big.

Again I think it's a horrible mistake trying to "Shake things up" too much

on an already contending team, which realistically with even reffing

would be in a WCF.

We have to account for team chemistry. DJ, Blake, CP3, Etc... All have

a certain chemistry together already, taking someone who "might" fit

in is a huge mistake.

What happens if we Trade DJ and end up with a Dudley? Meaning someone

who looked good prior years and becomes a dud? Then what? Our season

is practically ruined. Why risk it.

Not to mention DJ has been an Iron Man. You get Okafor and he is out

90% of the season? Then what?

There are just too many "what if's" and I think you minimize risk by

going with a guy who has already proven he fits.

We know DJ is only 25 and getting better.

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I do t think Gerald Green would want to play for doc again. I do t think the Suns are going to trade him either.

I'm glad to hear Ivan is working out with us, hopefully he takes the min.

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This is one aspect I have to fully agree. But of course, the scenario with Okafor is if you get Carmelo, and knowing Emeka's injury history, of course you have a contingency plan. You wouldn't just trade DJ without getting high return (eg: Carmelo) or another productive C and just relying on Okafor though, of course not.

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-On TMZ they reported that during Carmelo's Birthday chris paul called him saying we have a new owner, come and sign with the clippers. That would be killer for us Essentially he can play the same role that paul pierce played on the celtics.

-With collison more likely to opt out of his deal, I think ramon session would be a good back up for chris paul

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w/o knowing much about his personality/personal life, would take Ivan Johnson in a second. other bigs I would look at would be Kaman and Jason Smith. a guy I might take a flyer on would be Charlie Villanueva, if Doc thought he could get something out of him, and he came in at bottom dollar. if he could play any sf that would be an added bonus.

would not trade DJ, no way. he is our EJ/Magic Johnson as far as intangibles go, and Doc didn't make the guy, he just gave him minutes. DJ is an NBA center and a darn good one at that. our issue is on the wings and covering for CP3's defensive shortcomings (I know he made the all D team).

not sure who that might be? can Francisco Garcia play some 2? other guys I like @sg, that aren't known for their D, are Xavier Henry (to replace JJ's roster spot if moved), or maybe take a flyer on someone like Jared Cunningham.

doubtful we could afford Trevor Ariza, but have always liked his game, and no way do I trade for Melo. go big or go home. thinkin' you'd do your best to trade CP3 for LeBron if that was the direction you were going/thinking.

if I was thinking trade, I'd be thinking somewhere along the lines of moving JJ, Bullock and/or Dudley (never liked the idea of trading away Bledsoe's defense without getting some of the same in return).

@pg, would do my best to hold onto Collison. if not, have always liked Ramon Sessions.

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If Melo is really willing to come play here I say trade everyone not named Blake, Paul, and Jordan clear the whole bench if you have to in a sign and trade to get him to come play here. Reddick, Barnes, Dudley, and Jamaal make around 20 mil give or take all together! Trade 'em all for Melo and salaries match. If DJ has to be part of the deal then screw that cause we need the defense he provides. Then you just have to find some adequate backups and a starting shooting guard and we're set. Easy as pie... Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08

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I think the trade actually works if we were to give up all those pieces. I'm conflicted, because as much as I love all those players: Boneyard, JCrossover, JJ, we need a wing that can score in crunchtime in the POs. Blake can't cause they pack against him with physical doubles, (we know how mucked up it gets in the paint in PO crunchtime) and CP3 can't score cause he's got to break his man down. That's why I think you need that elite wing player...

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We don't win championships by breaking up the chemistry and core of the team. Example: The Spurs.....You keep your core unit in tact but make just very small minor changes. DJ, JJ, Jamal, Barnes all need to stay. The minor other changes will take care of themselves. Like for example, if Collison, Granger, and Big Baby want more money to play somewhere else, then that is a change we can be willing to accept. They can easily be replaced. Defense like Barnes and DJ's and shooters like JJ and Jamal you don't find as easy. Those are the guys you keep. Collison, Granger, and Big Baby are easily replaceable. I believe next season is gonna be big for us because CP3, Blake, Barnes, Jamal, and some of the others now have that bad taste in there mouth of being eliminated and cheated by Refs. I feel sorry for whoever we see in the Playoffs next season.

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What about a Kaman and Brand back up bigs? LoL! Its possible

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Are you guys seriously saying you would not trade DJ in order to get LeBron? This is just hilarious! Smile Smile Smile

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LOL. This dude isn't even a Top 8 PG in the NBA.

Cavs keep doin' Cavs thing.

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Barnes is not part of the "core". The guys the Spurs committed to were Duncan, Ginobioi and Parker. Remember how Pop loved George Hill and was giving him a ton of minutes? What happened when he found out he could trade Hill and improve his team? He traded him.

DJ is a core player, I agree. You don't trade DJ unless you're bringing back another core player who you believe makes you better or is a good fit and if you have a plan where the roster is more balanced. Barnes, Jamal, even J.J. who was just recently signed are nice pieces, but you move them if you see an opportunity for improvement.

So why did Pop move Hill despite liking him? Well he had a 6'2 PG who demanded more than backup minutes, which meant Pop now has to play undersized since he gave him 28-29 MPG in year 2 and 3 and 34.4 and 31.4 mpg in the playoffs. Pop realized he needed to get bigger.

We have this same issue. One of Jamal or Redick needs to go to give us better balance at the wing. If we see an opportunity to move up in the draft and pick up a wing with length, we do it.

ClipperPostman, well in terms of Barnes, I didn't believe we should have given him a 3 year long contract. Sentimentalism is nice, but it is a business, Barnes greatest value was in price/production ratio, but as he is getting older and if you start paying him more, you lose the whole value of having the guy.

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CapsNClips wrote:

LOL. This dude isn't even a Top 8 PG in the NBA.

Cavs keep doin' Cavs thing.

wow. he's going to be paid more than westbrook. he's worth 12mil tops.

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His max is higher because he was the 1st pick while Westbrook was the 4th. People read max contract and think it's just this one figure, but the max differs from player to player. Westbrook got the max contract he was allotted based on his draft position and previous salary. A bit unlucky for Cleveland, based on draft production, All-Star status, etc, this is Kyrie's max.

In the end, the extra money he's making won't be a limiting factor for them if they do other things well. If he plays to his potential and commits to defense, he is a max level player, so even if we think he should make $2M/year less, $2M isn't going to be the limiting factor for you as a team financially, and if it is then your management is clueless.

Cleveland has two options, offer him the max, don't offer him the max and have someone else do it, or trade him. There's no middle option where they re-sign him without a max contract. Players have agents, so good luck trying to combat the argument of career 21/4/6 player who is a two time All-Star at 21 years old.

Now, let's ask ourselves whether Cleveland is actually going to attract a FAA as good as Kyrie? Yea, didn't think so, beggars can't be choosers. You give him the max, use your draft pick well and ride it out because Cleveland is not getting a higher caliber player via FA as of right now. In addition, it is extremely doubtful that any team is trading a better player who is signed long term for him. Short team does nothing for them because the guy will play his one year and then leave. They don't actually have a choice here if were being honest....and in the end this is a 21 year old that just averaged 21/4/6 his first 3 seasons, 2 All-Star appearances and career 20.9 PER, it's probably safer to say he can still improve in his deficiencies than to say he has hit a plateau. He might not go anywhere statistically, but his ability to play team basketball, maybe increased efficiency into the near 60% TS range, maybe playing above average defense, who know she could improve as a passer/playmaker too.

21 year old Westbrook:

16.1 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.3 SPG, 3.3 TPG, 41.8% FG, 22.2% 3PT

"Turns it over too much"

"Poor shot selection"

"gets lost and gambles too much on defense"

"Mediocre offensive player at best"

"Poor 3PT shooter"

I'd take my chance on a 21 year old like Kyrie and you'd be singing a different tune yourself if he was a Clipper.

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Jamal and JJ are what you call specialist. They are special players in the NBA that there aren't many copies of. JJ Reddick is the next best thing of shooters of all time that I've seen besides Ray Allen and Reggie Miller. And he's not just a spot up shooter. He can dribble and create his own shots. Jamal Crawford is a man from Space Jam. A player with game from totally another planet! Guys like these are part of the core. You don't get rid of them. You just prepare for injury just in case. Now ill give you the Barnes comment. If we can find something better at wing like maybe Paul Pierce or someone then, ill say, ok fine. Get rid of Barnes. But give him one credit. He does defend and make big shots at times. He is getting older, but he is consistent. Only way i get rid of JJ is if i can have someone like Lance Stephenson to start at SG. Only way i get rid of Jamal is in a trade for Carmelo or Lebron. Only way I get rid of Barnes is if Pierce comes over and if Barnes is willing to come off the bench then so be it. If not, then bye. That was the point of my comment not breaking up the core. The biggest tool to winning championships is chemistry. You mess that up, and players constantly moving and playing with new people, the chemistry won't ever build

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You overvalue those guys. "Only way I get rid of Jamal is if I get Carmelo or Lebron" huh?

To each his own. I'd get rid of my 34 year old isolation scoring SG who to be fair, does it well and can shoot spot up also, but doesn't create for others or defend consistently enough, and did I mention he's 34? Yea, is get rid of him for a nice long wing defender like Danny Green. Actually there are probably 20+ non star players I'd get rid of him for:

Arron Afflalo, DeMar DeRozan, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Luol Deng, Wesley Matthews, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Gordon Hayward, Klay Thompson, Andre Iguodala, Chandler Parsons, Trevor Ariza and guys like Tony Allen and Avery Bradley. There's others I can't think of, and that's just SG/SF's.

If were saying big men too, Paul Millsap, Taj Gibson, Amir Johnson, Mozgov, Thaddeus Young,

Maybe one argues that Deng and Iguodala are borderline All-Star guys and DeRozan is a star, but that's a far cry from freaking "I won't get rid of Jamal unless I'm getting Lebron or Carmelo", I'll take what you are smoking.

I'm a big Redick fan, which is why I said one needs to go, and if it isn't obvious that it should be the 34 year old and not the guy that's 4 years younger and we just signed last season, then I mean, come on. Now, to be fair to other players in the league, Stephen Curry is a better shooter. Kyle Korver and Morrow are dead eye shooters too, but Redick is very good.

I don't even know what the Jamal is a man from space jam means, but I guess the guy from space jam was only so good.

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If only Brooklyn took either of the last two options on Williams. Just because a player can get a max contract from another team doesn't mean you have to open up the wallet, especially for a player who has a bad attitude, can't play a lick of defense and has had reports saying he wants to leave Cleveland.

4 years $18+mil a year for a player who so far in 3 seasons in the NBA has won 78 games and has actually gotten worse since his rookie year. That's not my idea of building for the future.

The Cavs can trade Kyrie to a team and get back a good chunk of change and actually build off of a real star player in Wiggins, Embiid or Parker.

In the next 5 years of Kyrie being their best player they aren't going to win a championship and likely won't even be close, so why waste everybody's time and they're own money for a guy who doesn't even want to be there and will surely leave after the 5th year.

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Not necessarily defending Cleveland here, but there's no guarantee any of those three players will actually be a real star. Ideally, Kyrie improves his performance greatly, and whoever the Cavs pick in the draft (assuming they keep their pick) is transcendent enough to get them into the playoffs.

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Did you just put Aaron Afflalo, Demar Derozen, Wilson Chandler, Chandler Parsons, and whoever else you said in the same playing category as Jamal Crawford? Yea....maybe you need to stop smoking what your smoking. You clearly don't know the difference between a role player and an All-Star. J-crossover weather you believe it, want to except it or not, is an All-star who can clearly be a starter on any NBA team. But embraces the role of a player coming off the bench. Yes! A 34 old! A two-time 6th man of the year 34 year old that's never been done in NBA history on two different teams. A 34 old that leads the NBA history for the most 4 point playes ever! A 34 year old you so like to put who says, and i quote, "I'm in the best shape of my life andI feel like I'm 20". Can't believe you had the audacity to even disrespect him by comparing those players to him. They are all starters and scrubs on garbage teams. Doc asked Jamal if he wanted to start, and he clearly said, No. So don't give me that garbage. He's not replaceable. Doc and the players said it themselves Jamal is a freak of nature. There is not another player like him. And a guy like that you don't trade or replce unless it's for a diamond in the rough. But you are a man that is entitled to his own opinion. And i respect that. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Not facts. You have to be an idiot of a GM if you trade or release Jamal Crawford for the names you mentioned above. Sorry dude. You may be on your own on that one.

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Jamal's a great player who has some of the best handles in the league. That being said, I would trade him in a heartbeat for a better small forward (like any number of what Agent0 just mentioned). Jamal has never been an all star, while Derozen actually got selected this year. When Jamal's hot, he's something to behold. When he's cold though, he hurts the team because he refuses to share the ball. His "meh" defense doesn't help either. He's a great player, but far from untouchable.

BTW, it goes to show how little you know about basketball when you call solid starters like Parsons and Chandlers, an actual all star in DeRozan, and a great starter in Afflalo "scrubs". For someone who takes such offense at "disrespect" shown to Crawford, you're showing an awful lot of disrespect to Agent0 here.

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Why break up a good thing? Who'd you go get at center? Yes having the combination of LeBron and Blake would be monstrous. I'd rather keep DJ and Blake and allow them to continue to develop on their own. There's really no other front court combination that beats DJ and Blake. Let a team grow and build confidence together. Don't buy the team. "BUILT vs BOUGHT"

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Heat just "BOUGHT" 4 straight Finals appearances and 2 championships pending a 3rd...

clippers32
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Shows how little i know. Lol....don't make me laugh. I've played the game on a professional level myself. So i know I'm quite qualified to have my opinion and back it up with facts. Yes your right. Jamal never made an all-star ballot, but many won't argue that he has gotten overlooked many, many times. And I really can't believe you guys are mentioning Damar Derozen and Aaron Afflalo in the same sentence as Jamal. And Jamal's defense is not as subject as you think. Your suppose to actually watch the games and base your opinion. Afflalo in my opinion is very overrated. Yes he's a good defender, not great but good defender. But his offense is subject and very inconsistent. Those are the facts. You barely even heard about demar derozen until the playoffs. And even then he wasn't the one that was most talked about it that other guy on his team. So come on dude be realistic. Any GM, on any given day, on any team, would knock down the door to get J-crossover. How come they don't do the same for these so called "Stars" you say. My thing is, research your facts and put yourself in a coaches or GM's position. And then ask yourself, would you trade or get rid of Jamal Crawford. And its quite interesting to me how his numbers increased as a vet at 34 then they did when he was younger. I'm glad you guys don't run the team.

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