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Why wouldn't they?Both are the same age but DJ has more experience,strength,and athletic ability.Also Plumlee is not the defender,rebounder,or shot blocker that DJ is.He isn't bad at those things but he isn't as good as DJ is.Both are offensively challenged and poor free throw shooters.I like Plumlee a lot because he is a hard worker but I think you are really under estimating how good DJ was defensively this year.

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Wow. What a bitch

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That is pretty despicable to pull that -

I though gentry was better than that. Now they will copy our offense. Like it or not they look to take a major step forward while we are not. This is so depressing

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Dick move by Gentry for sure, but his "great" offense sure did look like **** most games against that "horrible coach" Mark Jackass' defense in the playoffs.

We just need another assistant with experience running the motion offense... maybe someone from the Spurs? And Lawrence Frank is coming to shore up the defense.

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Wow. What a bitch

I have no respect for him anymore. Salt in the wound that he goes there of all places too.

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Get Ettore Messina NOW!

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I'm hearing Ettore and Lawrence as assistants right now. Good O and D.

Gentry was probably just salty because Ty Lue whooped his ass for the Cleveland job. He probably was like I do not want to be on the same bench as that guy. Well it hasn't even been confirmed so it all could be wack.

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I really hope Denver pulls this off and fvcks Golden States plans.

It's also just a much better trade for the TWolves anyways.

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McRob opted out! I know we have had our greatest time with Bobcats big men , but he is a different player.

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We may have spoken too soon. And isn't Gentry already getting paid elite AC $?

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CapsNClips wrote:

I really hope Denver pulls this off and fvcks Golden States plans.

It's also just a much better trade for the TWolves anyways.

It would also be hilarious if Gentry spurns the Warrios and returns to us

Completely fvcks all their plans

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CapsNClips wrote:

We may have spoken too soon. And isn't Gentry already getting paid elite AC $?

In that case, Parsons should pony up the cash to keep him here.

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Anyone see Collison changed his mind and will opt in? I think we convinced him so we can trade him to the Knicks or somewhere. Maybe actually pull off the Collison-Shumpert deal

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Messina to spurs. I'm so bummed

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HELL YEAH!!! I LOVE YOU DC!

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Don't get bummed. I bet we pull off some crazy **** and get Melo and Shumpert and fill out our bench was our draft pick in Glen Rob III and sign Birdman and Josh McRob for the minimum

Paul

Redick

Melo

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Shumpert. awesome defensive bench backcourt

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I think we need Collison more than we need Shumpert. Iman really is only beneficial to us in a small ball lineup.

He's not a good enough scorer to take either of our SG's minutes away and he's too small to guard SF's.

If we trade Jamal I'd consider this, but DC and Patty Mills are fighting for best backup PG's right now. Patty struck first, now it's DC's turn.

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Ahhh Collison was a great regular season backup PG. In the postseason he had one good game. He scored 1 point in Game 5 against OKC which were 1/2 from the FT line. We lost that game by 1! We were leading by 7. I think there are better options , but who knows. Maybe he comes back better or something. I think Patty Mills may be the best. I'd honestly try to go for him. Collison was great though

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Yeah, DC wasn't great in the playoffs, but he also was playing a lot of SG because of Redick's limited minutes.

Most backup PG's don't usually even have one good game. DC is also a good two way player and that's rare for a backup.

I'd also rather not have to waste our draft pick on Shabazz. We need to draft a SF or a big man.

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We want to be able to throw him on Curry or Westbrook instead of CP having to guard all those guys. That way Chris can have energy O. Would you really want to put JJ or Jamal or Curry, Westbrooks, Lillard, etc? No. I'd put Shumpert on them in a heartbeat.

WE NEED DEFENSE. WE HAVE ENOUGH OFFENSE

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Chris is the best defensive PG in the NBA, it would be blasphemy to hide him on defense.

And putting Chris on SG's like Klay isn't going to make his life easier on defense. We need a defender that can guard Kawhi, Durant, Parson, James, George, Batum...etc those are the players that we really have no answer for ATM.

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I don't see it as hiding him, but resting him. I am nit saying have Chris competely stop guarding those guys , but he doesn't need to go his entire 35+ minutes of playing time guarding those guys and be too tired to give us anything on offense. Imagine guarding Westbrook for 37 minutes then in closing seconds of winning a game you feel you can rest and you try to make a smart play that would give you more time to rest for 3 FTs instead of 2 yet they don't call a foul , you made a turnover and you lose the game. I believe fatigue was a huge reason for Chris's mental collapse in Game 5 , but hopefully it leaves a salty taste in this teams mouth. That Is All i am saying. Do you understand Caps?

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Now that Collison has opted in, does that mean we can sign someone like Pau for the MLE?

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Music to JQuicks Ears

We might have a chance at Bron Bron

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UnCool:

This is huge if its true! Now I say use Full MLE on a very solid defensive SF, and the BAE on a backup big... hopefully move Duds for another backup big, and let's go!

So I guess so Jquick. I do not know how the Opting in and out and how contract situations work

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Totally understand, but I still think Collison is more important to us.

Let's just agree to disagree.

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Agreed occasion5

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:
Music to JQuicks Ears

We might have a chance at Bron Bron

That press conference was a debacle.... way out of character for Riley. He even took a shot at LeBron by insinuating that he "doesn't have guts."

I think he's found out the bad news that LeBron's leaving AND he's on the hook for $40 mil for a decrepit Wade over the next two years. That's the only good explanation for his meltdown.

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Who are these dumb NBA teams who weren't planning on making a pitch for LeBron before this?

I don't care if you're the Milwuakee Bucks, you need to still make a pitch for LeBron no matter how minuscule your chances are.

Hell, even OKC needs to make a pitch.

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This is definitely a great first step to a long offseason!

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Maybe it was us, LOL.

ClipperKyle32
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He was really acting crazy. Maybe LeBron won't come back , but dang. After what he said about Me. I wouldn't want to come back if I were LeBron. Questioning my guts

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Why are teams flocking so much to Love. He is not a winner in my opinion. If he is the best PF as people call him. His team should win or atleast be over .500! Why are teams trying to give up players like Faried or Thompson? They Win. They Are Winners. They have Won in the playoffs. Love isn't worth all this hype. I mean the dude is walking around acting like a free agent when he is still on that team and has a contract for this season. That is Low Down. He always points the finger in the locker room , but never pointed to himself. Blake atleast says "you know 'I' have to do a better job" and takes accountability. Kevin love to the Warriors can only help us , because he will constantly be blaming Bogut and Curry and cause a lot of locker room dysfunction and with Kerr being a first year head coach , he wouldn't know how to deal with that , but Jordan did punch him in his face one season so who knows

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So Hedo,Hollins,Collison,Granger, and Big Baby's contracts all come off the books

Is this good or bad for our chances with Melo or how does this impact us

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We would definitely have to shed some salary. Carmelo sign and trade. Jamal,Dudley,Bullock and just shed some salary man. I mean we really have no where to turn. Anyone care to explain what we can do

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

So Hedo,Hollins,Collison,Granger, and Big Baby's contracts all come off the books

Is this good or bad for our chances with Melo or how does this impact us

More flexibility, less security... Our GM/FO has to figure out a clever way to get us over the cap.

By my calculation that brings our salary to $70,230,844, ($65,980,844 if we can dump Dudley) and next seasons cap will be about $63.2 million and the tax level is projected to be $77.0 million.

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I like Blatche. Maybe we should give him a look

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Plumlee makes $1.2M in 14-15 and then $2.1M in 15-16 before he's a FA. Plumlee is at 11.8 / 11.5 / 1.6 per 36 but not he high percentage finisher DJ is.

The question becomes how much you think the difference between Plumlee and DJ is worth and if it is worth paying $10M extra for another 2 seasons. For us since it can mean a more significant improvement at SF, it is certainly worth it to make the trade. For them, since they have young players looking to be re-signed and are trying to be players in getting a big free agent, playing $10M extra at C when they don't just have Plumlee but also Alex Len seems like a very bad decision.

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

So Hedo,Hollins,Collison,Granger, and Big Baby's contracts all come off the books

Is this good or bad for our chances with Melo or how does this impact us

Chris Paul like Kobe without a ring really didn't care about the team's financial situation if he really wanted to win, he should have signed for less. It's not like he just came from his rookie contract. That's why. Tim Duncan is one of a kind and truly the most unselfish player out there. He does it with his action not with his mouth. CP is all about saying the right thing but not walk to walk.

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Oh please, stop, just stop, not a winner is one of the worst criticisms ever. So he not a winner because his teams haven't won or because of something more concrete? Is David Lee a "winner" because he plays for the Warriors. Boozer because he plays for the Bulls, like what do you mean "he's not a winner". Does that have any effect on how he can improve an actual well built team?

Guess what? Blake wouldn't have made the playoffs on Minesptta either. They suffer from the same issue, Pekovic is not a shot blocker or rim protector and neither are either of them, it hurts your defense, especially down the stretch. They have no perimeter player who is a high level creator, Rubio is not good at isolation or pick and roll scoring, Martin is not a shot creator. Bares is their best perimeter shot creator and he shot like 38/31 on the season. So now in crunch time you're also disadvantages and your PF gets the primary role of being shot creator.

Now, it's nice for your PF to be able to creat a little down the stretch, but teams generally need a perimeter player that can do so, at least one whether it be a starter or off the bench. This is why Minnesota was terrible in close games. Not because Love "isn't a winner" but because the person building the team forgot that ideally you want high level defense down the stretch or high level shot creator(s), they had neither.

The Clippers actually had the issue last season (12-13) in that they were actually very efficient on offense down the stretch despite all the iso, etc, but it didn't look that good because the defense down at the end of games was too many times very poor and good opponents would frequently just score right back. Of course like always people's first assumption is that "well the offense just isn't good enough", but the bad defense was making the production requirement too high for the offense to consistently maintain pace with.

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I already spoke on this, but it is a false criticism. The reason is that we signed Paul when we were above the cap. Paul's contract is only relevant to how close one is to the luxury, but it has no limitation on us signing higher caliber free agents because unless he made $1M we wouldn't get below the cap enough to do anything.

There's a $2M difference between Paul and Blake's contracts and Blake is only making less because he's been in he league a shorter time. If his max could be as high as Paul's then he would take it too. There was no set up incentive for him to take less as it did nothing for the team financially that could be forseen.

If Paul makes $1M our team salary is what? $52.4M? The salary cap for next season is assumed to be about $63.2M. So if Paul made $1M we'd have $10.8M under the cap. After we use that on our Andre Iguodala, then our ability to sign FA's is still limited to the exceptions (MLE, BAE and a minimum. Of course Paul can't even make only $1M as the veteran minimum is higher than that and it would just be foolish to ask him to take that. Let's say Paul is signed for $13M, then we are over the cap by $2.2M already and just like where we are now, all we can spend to get free agents is the exceptions and the minimums, and we can do sign and trades. So if you think he should have taken $14-15M, the only difference that makes is that we are $3-4M further away from luxury tax.

Due to a lack of understanding of the cap, fans seem to think you subtract $10M from a guys contract and the team now has $10M more to spend. No, every year all we'd be guaranteed are the exceptions and minimum contracts, so we'd still have the same pace in terms of building a roster.

Also comparing Paul to Duncan and Kobe makes no sense, if he gets this salary in his next contract, sure, but Duncan from 06-07 (30 years old) to 11-12 (35 years) made between $17M and $22M. Now this isn't an argument about who is worth this or that because the red herring is probably going to be "well Duncan is worth that and look at his championships".

Duncan took a pay-cut at 36 years old on his way out of the league. Unless you're arguing that Paul in the same situation wouldn't take a pay cut. it's just not a relevant criticism or comparable at all.

So sure you can say well if he took $3-4M less, and not just him, Blake may need to take a little less too, then hypothetically it would give us a little more money to be able to offer a possible future free agent who wanted to come here and whose team agreed to sign and trade him here (because I think the new CBA limits your sign and trade when you are over tax). I mean that's really what we'd be criticizing them for, though I believe we're even good in that area right now.

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Do not know the validity of this tweet , but why would we sign pierce if we have 3 players already at SF position. Atleast two of those guys must go

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Would be strange for Pierce to go from being LeBron's rival to LeBron's backup. Smile

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

Do not know the validity of this tweet , but why would we sign pierce if we have 3 players already at SF position. Atleast two of those guys must go

Who is the third player? Granger opted out. Either way, I'll take that with a grain of salt like you said.

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The 3 SF we had was....Dudley, Barnes and Granger. But with Granger opting out looking for a payday, he is likely not to return if someone is willing to pay him. That leaves Dudley and Barnes. I'd prefer barnes coming off the bench with Pierce starting. Then dump Dudley's salary in a trade, waive or release, then your talking about a good SF rotation. Add a decent backup vetern big like Gasol using the MLE. Hopefully Collison returns, if not then go get Patty Mills or someone equivalent. Then lastly, if big baby leaves then, use the BAE on a decent backup PF, make Lionell Hollins or Lawrence Frank our associated head coach and assistant. And that everyone is a championship caliber team to win it all.

This is what the squad would look like. Let me know if you agree.

CP3/ Collison

JJ Reddick/ Jamal Crawford

Paul Pierce/ Matt Barnes

Blake Griffin/ Big Baby

Deandre Jordan/Pau Gasol

Doc Rivers

Lionell Hollins

Lawrence Frank

Tyron Lue

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Gasol for the MLE is going to be quite hard to pull off, especially asking him to come off the bench.

Also I believe Baby also opted out

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I think $5.2 mil is enough to snag him, but forcing him to come of the bench is a whole other story.

It shouldn't be a problem though when we trade DJ for Jabari.

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Not to hung on Jabari Parker just yet. The NBA is totally different from the collegiate level. I'm not just yet ready to crown him as a star. His shooting is alittle suspect and once scouted, like all NBA players do then they will shut him down. He is in my opinion not a game changer as a rookie like Blake Griffin and Lebron was and is. But back to the point. With Gasol being a seasoned vet, i believe if he wants to win and stay in LA, his best option is the Clippers. Humble yourself, come off the bench for Blake, and be successful. Doc will give him plenty of PT. Like he did Crawford and Collison. Plus with and if Deandre is still struggling from the free throw line, Gasol easily slides into that 5 spot.

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Woj says that may determine whether or not they are in the run for Carmelo. So what are Melo's other options: Clippers, and Rockets? Maybe a few other teams with only a few having the chance to win

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Danny Granger, Glen Davis, and Darren Collison are all opting out of their contract. Danny Granger expressed interest in coming back to the Clippers, Collison and Davis did not express such interest. I think we should resign Granger. He played great and I think our system both defensively and offensively fits him perfectly. Just want to have money to get other significant players to help out the team. My hopeful lineup for the 2014-15 season.

PG: Chris Paul, Shaun Livingston/Mo Williams/Kirk Hinrich, (Shabazz Napier)

SG: JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, Reggie Bullock

SF: Danny Granger, Paul Pierce, Matt Barnes

PF: Blake Griffin, Jordan Hill, (Clint Capela/Jarnell Stokes)/Carlos Boozer

C: DeAndre Jordan, Chris Anderson, Greg Oden/Chris Kaman/Andrew Bynum

I think that this line up is a possibility but will take some sacrifices. Sorry everyone no BronBron or Melo.

With this lineup I really see us going to the Finals. Our SF rotation is a bit prehistoric but I don't see any health issues arising if we manage their time properly and with the type of skill level those three have you can basically play them an even amount of minutes every game.

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