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tense2
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Look at all the numbers. If some are able to "say" the opposite....well I think their just saying it just to say it, lol.


namzug
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I think Sef might be leaning towards the backside of his career. I know he's only 29 (I think) but Iman is 23. If you told me they are both perfectly healthy and you can have either one for 3 years for the same price, I'd probably lean towards Iman.

Then like I said before, if we trade a 1st pick to only have Iman for one year and be outbid the next. Why not get Sef for 2-3 (BAE), sign a Deandre Daniels or a good Small forward or back up big in the draft. Maybe we swing and miss on the draft pick, but you can trade a draft pick early on; you might also get a Adams type player.


namzug
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All this Melo talk makes me wonder if we should take a look at Beasley. I think it could be worth a look. He was doing ok in Mia. If he could be had on a one year deal for the min. Then we can trade Duds for Livingston. Then try to pry Channing Frye from Phx.

CP3/ Livingston

JJ/ Jamal/ Reggie

Beasley/Barnes/Reggie

Blake/ Draft Pick/ Hedo

DJ/ Frye/ Draft Pick

I wasn't high on him before, but think if he is willing to play team ball he could definitely be a diamond in the rough.


Agent0
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Beasley is really good at somehow getting to convince people that he can be a starter in this league. He can't. The percentages last year were great for him, but he still rounded out as a below average offensive player. Then add that he can't defend an NBA position, and he's a bad defender at SF. Really he's been best at PF because at least he has a more workable offensive advantage there.

You need to give up on Beasley and we certainly shouldn't be pegging him as our starting SF. I thought we were trying to get better on defense, not worse, and he doesn't even make us better on offense despite what an initial look might suggest.


Agent0
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How expensive could Thabo possibly be though? He's got better length, he can guard 3's, he's a more disciplined defender, and 29 is just not that old. Remember that OKC as an offensive system did not fit role players like Thabo while our system (or SA) is much more conducive to better production for guys like that.

I just hope SA doesn't decide to go and pick him up, ugh


Dunkathon
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I could see the Spurs turning Sefolosha into a bench plug like Bellnelli (but with better defense).


clippers32
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Hahaha. ...calm down there young Metta. Go take your angry pill and relax. Apparently i see school and education wasn't on your side growing up. You can't read well, but ill let it pass. If you were to read it over like you so likely claim you do and put it in bold black letters then you would understand the base of my point is these players chose to be where they are at. And i used the Kevin Love reference because, did he not just tell his team to either find a trade for me or I'm becoming a free agent. Due to unhappiness. Like i've been trying to explain to you. But its ok. I understand. Some people are slower than others. Lol....comprehension my not be your friend....i can go on and on....but it is what it is bro. I have my opinion. You have yours. I'm a clippers fan. So are u. At least i think. Just agree to disagree. I'm done. No need to entertain you further.


clipper*joe
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There you go again with a a bunch of drivel that has no point. My comprehension skills are pretty sharp...Sharp enough to know you make little sense. Sharp enough that you don't know the difference between, "their" and "there". Sharp enough to know that you get so insecure about your facts, that you have to boast about people you know, and playing second rate ball. I'll be the first to say I might be slower than others but I'm confident enough to say I'm sharper than you. Love? Love said he wouldn't be signing a new contract and as common courtesy to his team, he isn't forcing a trade, he's telling them if they want something back, move him. Love isn't doing a Melo.

Only thing you got right was that you do entertain me.

Here is another tip for the Pro basketball player:

When you want to use ellipses (...), use three periods, not four, five or six. That will make people respect you for knowing how to use it.


clippers32
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Thank you Dr. Phil. I will take your noted advice. Lol....hahaha. ...yea...ok.... now if your done PMS'ing.....let us real folks get back to basketball.


ClipperKyle32
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ClipperKyle32
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Sterling **** End. FREE AGENCY IS GONNA BE GOOD. CANT WAIT UNTIL OFF SEASON


namzug
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@Agent0, I agree with your Beasley critique. I looked over at the roster I had written and saw JJ and Beasley and almost threw up in my mouth. I'm usually someone who appreciates effort in defense and sometimes think that is all that is missing.

As far as Sefolosha vs Shumpert, I was saying that I would take Shump if all variables were the same; but they are not. I think Sefolosha can be had for less for longer, while Shump might be cheaper for the first year only to cost more afterwards on top of having to give something up for him initially. I think Sefolosha is the safer player, and Shump might cause a few more headaches but is also more dynamic. I really like both players. It comes down to who fits the role we need better, and I still trust Sefolosha's shooting more than Shumps at this point in there careers. I wouldn't be mad at either one.


clippers32
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Ok guys..realistically. What are our chances of getting LeBron? And how? I have an idea. But i would like to hear others....


Agent0
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Yea, it is just too much of a defensive disadvantage to throw out a roster like that, and in the end Beasley doesn't give the offensive advantage to even come close to making up for it.

I agree about Thabo, nothing needs to be given up to get him, I believe he defends better due to discipline and is a more consistent shooter than Shumpert. Like you said also, he will probably top out at $2-3M while Shumper due to youth might be a guy that people get tempted to pay a little more money, not to add that we will be giving up assets for him. Even if we say Shumpert is better (don't think he is now by any means), the difference is minimal and just not enough to justify it if we have the option of Thabo.


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LeBron will cost DJ at the minimum. I'm not really interested in losing all our role players for the sake of having Lebron or Carmelo. I want our team to be built like the Spurs rather than the Heat. I want something that will last and can continue to be built upon.

I prefer a trade to get a solid SF, add a good Big with the MLE. Add some defensive players to the wings. Sefolosha or Shump would be ideal. Squeeze in on a big trade and try to get a SF from it. All teams being thrown around in trade conversations have good SF's with the exception of Minnesota and Chicago (unless we can get Jimmy). Denver has Wilson, Atlanta has Demarre, GSW had Harrison, and Boston has Jeff.

CP3/ Vasquez

Sefolosha/ JJ/ Reggie

Wilson/ Barnes/ Reggie

Blake/Draft Pick/ Hedo

DJ/ Frye

Something like that would be ideal for me. Bringing in some guys to take that 13th spot during training camp. Davies looked better than what we had during the early part of the season (Mullens and Jamison). There's a Mills, Mike Scott, or Danny Green out there (Our scouts might want to follow San Antonio's).


Agent0
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That's a nice balanced roster. Just don't know how to make it happen, lol

Probably have to go cheaper on backup PG.


namzug
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Let me dream, lol. I took Livingston out.

If I knew how to make it happen I'd probably be a GM. That 3 spot seems so difficult to me. I can see us getting Sefolosha and then sticking him in that 3 spot. I want length and athleticism at both wing spots.

I can see us doing a sign and trade for Ariza (probably costing us Reggie or Jamal and Duds for money), and signing Sefolosha. I just feel we either miss on the 3 spot or the back up big. The back up big spot might need us to get lucky during the draft.


LAbreakers
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not popular, and.... prefer to keep Blake and DeAndre together as the core/future of this team.... have little interest in CP3 recruiting his buddy LeBron to make up/compensate for his declining skill set, and to watch him get paid top dollar for his quite possible Dwayne Wade impersonation, talent wise.... and yes, we might well secure a championship or two in the process, and.... still prefer a frontline of Griff, DJ and the King.

also would focus on moving JJ, preferably to the Celts for Bradley and the 17th, which would hopefully be Shabazz, and.... would move Dudley to Philly, for the best second rounder they'd be willing to give up.

still like GR3 some for us in the draft, and.... Walter Tavares gets more intriguing by the day.


ClipperKyle32
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I wouldn't mind Richard Jefferson as maybe a Starting Small Forward Anyone?


Agent0
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Sadly he's dropped off a ton. Even SA didn't want to keep him and that was 3 years ago. Remember they thought he was their solution at SF a couple of years ago, and he pulled a much more expensive Jared Dudley situation on them. Averaged 20/4/3/37.7% 3PT the three years prior, then cam to SA a and dropped to 12/4/2/31.6% 3PT his first year.

Despite that, they still re-signed him for $8M and $9M after that season, which perplexed a lot of people. They did get him to shoot better, but he disappointed them on defense and in general.

He did improve his second season there, the 44% 3PT shooting was great, and again he shot 42% 3PT the year after that for them before being traded, but he was making like $9M to be an 11/3/1 role playing SF (13-14 / 5 / 2 per 36), just way too expensive for that role.

He shot quite well from 3 with Utah this past season, but his defense isn't really good anymore. I'd take him at the minimum, but if I'm paying any actual money, rather go after a Thabo, or Marvin Williams, etc

SA packed him with T.J. Ford and a first round pick to get Stephen Jackson.


JQuick32
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No thanks to RJ, he is straight-up garbage and has been for years.


sz123456
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I'm with you about moving JJ. He's such an incredible shooter, but a mediocre athlete, poor defender, and kind of a jerk (at least I feel from his interviews). We could do a lot better for $7 mil a year I think.


botev1921
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Incredible to see so many people not willing to part with DJ in order to get LeBron. Don't you get it - DJ is a competent center at best and LeBron is a superstar player, who can play multiple positions. The center position is outdated and can't win you a championship - look at Houston who had a very championship-ready roster on paper but lacked guys at the two most important positions - PG and SF!


Dunkathon
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I would heavily disagree that the center position is outdated. A truly great center can still win you a championship. It was just four years ago that the Lakers used two great big men in Bynum and Gasol to beat the Celtics, who lost because they lacked their own center (Perkins). The league has definitely shifted to a small ball focus in the last couple of years thanks to Miami, but that doesn't mean big men are outdated. Heck, Tim Duncan's rim protection contributed majorly to why the Spursw on this year. Houston lost not because they lacked players at PG and SF (both Beverly and Parsons are good players), but because their defense was simply atrocious. Lillard and Aldridge sliced and diced them night after night, and crucial mistakes by players like Lin in Game 4 only made matters worse.

That being said, I would trade away DJ if I was in the Clips's position and had a chance of getting Lebron.


dom1
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Welp for those Shaun Livingston lovers looks like he might get a starting job with the Kings if the Kings don't make a deal with the Celtics to trade their 8th pick for Rondo.

Shaun Livingston - G - Nets

The Sacramento Kings are reportedly interested in signing unrestricted free agent Shaun Livingston as their starting point guard.

With restricted free agent Isaiah Thomas' future in Sacramento still undecided, the 28-year-old Livingston could serve as the Kings' Plan B if Thomas receives an offer they don't want to match. There have also been rumblings about moving Thomas to a super sixth man role or even trading him, so it's also possible that Livingston could serve as Sacramento's Plan A here

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realbull17
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Pelicans are shopping Austin Rivers. Maybe LAC???


ClipperKyle32
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Yea Brian Winhordst said that Austin's Dad - our coach and president - has a trade exception. I just do not think Doc wants to coach his son


ToadVine
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I am willing to part with Blake for Lebron. We need DJ's defense and rebounding. Blake and Lebron together: not enough mid-range jumpshots to go around. Put Lebron together with the league's best rebounder and the league's best point guard. A great outside shooter in Redick, a fiesty veteran Barnes. Add a decent backup big. Now THAT's a recipe for a championship.


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If Austin could play at all, it would be worth talking about. But he is a bad player. He can't help the Clippers get better, but he can help them get worse if he gets minutes. He's a SG who doesn't shoot well, and not much of a defender either. Passes pretty for a SG, but not for a PG. We need a backup guard who can be effective at something.


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dom1 wrote:
Welp for those Shaun Livingston lovers looks like he might get a starting job with the Kings if the Kings don't make a deal with the Celtics to trade their 8th pick for Rondo. Shaun Livingston - G - Nets The Sacramento Kings are reportedly interested in signing unrestricted free agent Shaun Livingston as their starting point guard. With restricted free agent Isaiah Thomas' future in Sacramento still undecided, the 28-year-old Livingston could serve as the Kings' Plan B if Thomas receives an offer they don't want to match. There have also been rumblings about moving Thomas to a super sixth man role....

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Agent0
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I remember when he said he never helped his son with basketball or something like that. Clearly he should have because Austin is kinda sucky.


namzug
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I don't think it would be a good situation for Doc if he did coach him as well as be the GM. Even if Austin could actually contribute. The scrutiny would be at an all time high. Doing business with family is always asking for trouble in my opinion. I doubt he brings him here, that would just be asking for trouble.

I could see something like that happen if Austin was a filler on some other trade. If we were trying to get Ryan Anderson or Tyreke Evans and needed him to fill a salary requirement, but not just to trade the exception.


dom1
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I agree and wouldn't object to trading Blake for the best player on the planet. Blake in my opinion isn't even the best PF in the game. I think Love and Anthony Davis are better than him. He would be on the 1st thing smoking if that is what it took to get Lebron


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If you actually think Love is better than Blake, you need to watch the games instead of the stat sheet.

I like Davis, but he is getting too hyped up too soon, much like Blake in his rookie season. It's to the point where he's going to be unfairly hated if he's not prime KG/Duncan immediately this year.


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A friend, a Nets fan, sent me a link from a Nets website about Shaun Livingston, and apparently, we might be interested in him after all.

"Previously, there have been reports that the Timberwolves might be interested in Livingston. He and GM/coach Flip Saunders have a relationship going back to his time in Washington. Other reports indicated that the Clippers or the Heat could have interest."


tense2
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Please keep nepotism at arms length, very long arms length...please.


dom1
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Oh trust me i do and i still think both are better than Blake. Blake with his athleticism should average 10 to 11 rebs a game easily. Defense and defensive rebounding is Blake's weakness. Anthony Davis is the real deal. 20 and 10 and led the league in blks. Sweet mid range jumper. If Blake is only going to continue to get better its scary what Davis will become. Love is already at his peak to me. Blake and Davis will battle it out for best PF for years to come


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I don't think Love is better. I think it's closer than I like between Davis and Blake. Blake is a more dynamic offensive player in my opinion, where Davis is better defensively. Love is black whole on defense in my opinion. He will give up almost as many points as he makes up for.


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The poorness of Love's defense is overstated, just like a Zach Randolph, you put the right team around Love and his defense is fine with the team. Putting him next to Pekovic makes his defense look worse because Pekovic is not a defensive big man. Put him next to DJ, Bogut, M.Gasol etc, and he can fit into a good defensive system.

Interestingly, Davis while having great defensive potential is actually not yet a high impact defender. He's a great shot blocker, great length, but he wasn't a great defender last season, but clearly he will become one.

Blake and Love are at the least similar level players. I know there's the natural tendency to support your own guy, and if we had Love and Blake was on the Wolves, some people would probably be calling Blake a "loser" and "all flash" or whatever else, but Love was positive to his team and very positive to their offense. They weren't losing because of him, they were losing in spite of his highly positive and productive play.


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I feel that Love is a terrible defender by choice. I've seen him turn around and start boxing out way before the shot goes up for the sake of getting in good rebounding position instead of putting a hand up. I know what you are saying in terms of rooting for our guy, but I've never been the biggest fan. Aldridge I feel is better than Love. With all that said it's not the biggest gap and a difference of opinion can have you mix any of the PFs in order.

  1. Blake- It won't be solidified until he has a strong postseason showing (taking over a series).

  2. Bosh- If he is being listed at PF, but he might be this high since he is playing at the 5 with Lebron.

  3. Davis- Has the most potential outside of Blake and maybe including him too. Reminds me too much of KG its scary.

  4. LA- Nudged Love down a few spots with last year. His series against Houston solidified it for me.

  5. Love- Hate the defense, but the offense is undeniable.

They are all interchangeable depending on your opinion that is just the order I put them in.

Davis I think is still behind Blake, but is catching up quicker than I'd like. I also think he will show a lot of improvement with Asik there with him to take some of the load off.


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1st, I hope we sign Patrick Young. I thought he would have been an early second round pick but he went undrafted surprisingly. Tbh, I would have liked using our 28th pick on him anyways over Wilcox. 2nd, I hope we get rid of Jamal, Dudley, and some other players to free up some cap space to sign Luol Deng. This would make me grade our offseason from an F to a B.


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@RealGM: Martell Webster To Miss 3-5 Months After Back Surgery -- http://t.co/DXOwOlqMqR Ariza a FA! Only SF they have is Otto Porter. I wonder if they would consider a sign and trade with Barnes or Dudley....

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I think Cleveland will be more willing to cooperate with a S&T.

I also think Deng is just a better fit, he's been more consistent throughout his career and he's only 2 months older and already worked in a defensive system similar to Doc's.

Both aren't great 3PT shooters despite Ariza's aberration last year. Deng is a better defender and that's what we need IMO.


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Clips & Wizards are looking at Khem Birch


namzug
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We need a big man, and someone who could stretch the floor; why not Byron Mullens he just opted out; LMAO (I'm just kidding don't kill me guys)


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Maybe. I like Deng over Ariza. Deng is that championship type player we need. Very long and athletic. Not the greatest 3 point threat , but he is consistent. I also love him defensively. That....

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I know Mario Chalmers sucked in the finals but he's a UFA, his stock/price will be down, & he should have a huge chip on his shoulder... If Collison leaves or wants more than the BAE, I'd try to give Mario the BAE. (assuming better PG's like Livingston get better deals elsewhere)


Jerediscool
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Do you really think that mario, who's been starting for two years on a championship team is going to want to sign as a back up somewhere? Maybe if nothing else pans out for him and the summer is coming to an end, but i bet he can find a starting job somewhere.


ClipsGForce
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Please.... if he can't help Lebron, what you think he can help us.


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We would have a PG who started in 4 straight finals runs coming off our bench... how entitled can we really be?


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