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laboy
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odom,are you kidding, Smile

he is more of a wash than kaman..

ClipperKyle32
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He was a great backup big for us when he was here. Good Passer, High IQ , We didn't need him to score much, great defender, his P&R defense was superb. He took a year out of the league and hopefully got his head right. If he can return to atleast 12-13 Clipper form. He could be great for us.

I assume Ray Allen was washed up too , and look what he did for Miami in the Playoffs and Finals past 2 seasons. Especially that first yesr.

I doubt Odom is washed out. We havent seen him play. He has been working out hard , and hasn't been involved in any rumors at all. That Is really good.

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If I was doc this is how I would do the off season.....

1) trade Barnes and Crawford for luol deng in a sign and trade deal with the cavs

2)sign Rodney stuckey to a mid level exception deal ( he was willing to sign with the warriors for mle before they used it for Livingston)

3) get involved in the trade talks between the piston and the kings convincing the kings to swap dudley and bullock for Carl laundry

4) convinces Paul pierce to sign bi annual exception deal

5) sign jameer nelson to veterans minimum

6) have Chris Paul convince okafor to sign for veterans minimum

CapsNClips
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Ray Allen has never been washed up. Odom on the other hand has been washed up like 3 or 4 different times.

tense2
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Odom's finished. Allen wasn't and isn't now.

Ellington and Dalembert would be good additions though.

ClipperKyle32
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I am basing his profiling of being washed up off AGE not PRODUCTION. People consider PaulPierce OVER-THE-HILL OLD and Former Celtic , but his production says otherwise. Many people profile players a washed-up because of age. IDK what he was basing that off of.

Odom has been "washed" up ONCE or had a washed up year ONCE after coming off winning 6th MAN OF THE YEAR. Those were his Dallas days where he was truly going through some things in Life. How do you feel if a car accident you were in TOOK SOMEONES LIFE... Add in that you have issues with your Dad who was not in your life. How would you get up every day for your job , no matter the field , and produce effectively. You Would think about that LIFE TAKEN every day. That is not easy. We all know how bad it is to lose a loved one , but imagine taking the life of someone on accident. His rumored DRUG addiction could have been just away to escape reality , which is what many people do.

If you want to call him washed up you need to take into everything that was happening in his life. Even Norris Cole was having issues in the Finals because his Chef passed away.

Come ON NOW

tense2
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All true, but come ON NOW, he still washed up. Next.

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Just because Odom's story is a sad one, it doesn't change the fact that on the court he's been done for years.

Being washed up has nothing to do with age, it has do with being terrible at basketball. Odom has been terrible at basketball for like 3 years.

Do we also sign Allen Iverson just because he's been through some tough times?

ClipperKyle32
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"still" He wasn't washed up with us. He contributed quite well. He has other issues and therefore was not brought back due to concerns about those issues. Took the year off. We havent seen him play. not even with Spain. he barely played. He claimed to have a "back injury" because the Knicks as well as US were looking to sign him. We havent seen enough of him to call him washed up so how is that justifiable. Just because he was out of the League 1 YEAR does not mean he is wahsed up.

inventor310
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Marc J. Spern reports that the Los Angeles clippers have become front runners for Jordan Farmar

ClipperKyle32
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wow... really. that isn't even what I am saying. He hasn't been done for years. He had a down year in Dallas ( Got Traded - Hurt " its business though" , Car Accident - Life Taken - Tough , Daddy Troubles - Tough ) after coming off a 6th Man of the Year Award.

Signs with us. Comes in overweight , but changed that and was very much productive for us. Maybe not as much offensively , but was great defensively. Productive Season , he was not hurting us. THATS BEING WASHED UP. Antwan Jamison is washed up. Byron Mullens is terrible at basketball. Jamison could not score or defend to save his life.

He got into some offseason trouble which scared teams away , it was not because of his play. He got his life together and was signed by the Knicks

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/557857/2 ... 7Y6iWK9KSM

THIS WAS TODAY!!!

He isn't out of the league because he is "washed" up , he was out because of troubles. Teams didn't want to be apart of that.

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I guess it all comes down to if you thought Lamar was complete useless trash or not beside being a good rebounder.

He wasn't a good defender. He could only defend in the post. He was too slow to chase perimeter players.

ClipperKyle32
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how many power forwards are seen every day being thrown on a small forward, SG , or PG. How much sense does that make. that never happens. unless they switch which never happens. You don't switch a perimeter player and a big screen. you HEDGE , that in which Lamar was superb at , if you actually look at things like that. How many player now do we have that can defend the post with length besides DJ? Lamar is 6-10 with LONG ARMS. of course you want him defending the post. Lamar was not trash. he did the little things people don't admire

laboy
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I remember watching him play on the clippers before he went to the lakers...

he could play all the positions...

then he got in trouble for smoking pot and got suspended

then he left the clippers and went to the lakers...

jackson kept him out of trouble...

then he married into the car-trash-ian family...

then he started partying with his wife...

then the accident..

then he tried to play overseas somewhere...

lasted 2 weeks,

if he cannot make it there...

there is no way he is doing anything in the nba..

the kid....Ed davis looks good and ready to learn...young and hungry..

we cannot keep getting old broken men...

we need some young guys...

doc and paul will teach them the way..

ClipTakeover
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If we get Deng and Pierce + Ed Davis, I don't want to see any of you guys suddenly kissing the FO's ass.

Agent0
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I don't get the Odom argument, he was already washed up when we got him. That doesn't mean he couldn't still do things, but in comparison to just two seasons before, he was significantly worse, what is there to argue? That's him being washed up isn't it?

clipperboy24
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Once we get a SF out two targets should be Ed Davis and Greivis Vazquez. Also Andray Blatche if he is available. All of these guys can most likely be bad for cheap and would be upgrades over last year including Vazquez over Collison.

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Blatche will need full MLE most likely, I mean look at the contracts Jodie Meeks, etc are getting, so probably not him. Ed Davis seems to be in our path, and Vasquez wouldn't be bad, but we'll see what our money situation it.

Jason Smith wouldn't be bad as a 4th big.

Blake Griffin / Ed Davis

DeAndre Jordan / Jason Smith

That's not a bad big rotation. Smith can play as a stretch big who can still block shots and grabs about 8 rebs/36, also has decent size. Davis can play as a pick and roll big with more length who can block shots and rebound. Based on our money, those might be more reasonable paths to go.

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Lamar when he came back fat was solid on d but as the year went on and he lost weight it got worse. Don't want him back at all.

realbull17
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I'm a very patient person. The uncertainty wearing me down. When are we sign somebody, make a trade or something?

clipperboy24
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If we could sign Vazquez for the BAE then Blatche would be worth the MLE as he could be a starter at any point if griffin or Jordan go down. He is a good player on both sides and actually a decent passer as well. I like Ed Davis but Blatche is a more complete player and we wouldn't lose too heavy of production if he had to start.

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I think BAE is less than Vasquez's previous contract. Made $2.2M last season. If Collison and Livngston can get full MLE, he's not likely to be that cheap. I'd hope so, but the reality is probably different, he would be taking a paycut. At the least he's worth about $3-4M. That marker it hard.

clipperboy24
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It is just interesting how a lot of players imply are t even being mentioned. Don't know if that means they will be cheaper or they are locks for certain teams.

tense2
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Practice what you preach and be patient. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08

realbull17
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We didn't have to wait that long last year. I'm a Taurus.patience is our strongest characteristic.I'll keep it together. Very Happy

Agent0
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Patrick Patterson at 3 years / $18M, I think the price is set for most above average type guys to get at the least the MLE (which is how it should be), so we have to be thinking from working from that reference point. The barely averagish guys are getting $4-5M/year too though.

One might have to wait till the dust settles if you're trying to get anyone at a bargain.

I'm going to put out another name for us, and that is Jonas Jerebko, maybe in a swap for someone like Dudley. Hard sell to Detroit as he is expiring while Dudley has one more year. 6'10 SF/PF, actually a solid defender, efficient shooter, rebounds quite well (career 7.7 rebs/36). Only issue is that I think with SVG being the new man in charge, he will actually like a guy like Jerebko to space the floor for him.

Check youtube to get people some idea about him, but I didn't even realize he killed us, I don't like him because of how he played against us, lol

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=voQChJvFfl4

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3R5Q18y1_0I

Maybe the Pistons buy him out later and we can sign him for about $1.5-2M.

tense2
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P.S. So am I. Viva La Bull.

clipper*joe
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NBA Rumors: Toronto Raptors close to deal with Greivis Vasquez

http://fansided.com/2014/07/04/nba-rumo ... ez/#!8tvdp

ClipperKyle32
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So Am I Still Overreacting ^^^^

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I don't know, what do you expect us to have done so far? Teams are re-signing their own FA's, we didn't want to pay ours big money and are prioritizing FA's who are out of our price range and require other teams co-operation, but would be valuable (Deng). We might not be ready to make any moves with Ed Davis', etc until we settle the whole situation with Deng, and we might, who knows. Cleveland might not be moving forward on any trade bringing in players and taking cap until the big name FA's are gone or they figure out their SF situation, or they might not be moving forward on it all. Sadly that is the spot we are in, we aren't an under cap team who can just go spending, and we aren't necessarily massively excited about bringing back our FA's from last season.

It's just our situation. If we move away from Deng, we'll probably be more likely so start making moves, if not, well we're going to have to wait before we see anything significant happening.

Now, admittedly, our pursuit for Deng who is harder to acquire might cause us to lose on some other guys who are good fits and might be more reasonable to acquire, but that's life, you have to to examine the risk there and see if it is worth it in the end and gauge the likelihood of it working out with Cleveland.

Dunkathon
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To put it simply, yes.

Icecoldclipper
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Would like to get a contract to Patrick Youmg could be a steal

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Jordan Hamilton isn't a signing where you'd be jumping for joy if you sign him, but he'd be a really nice pickup who I can see being a starter.

He's gonna be a stud if given starter minutes. He's a really low risk with a really high reward.

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I'm pretty sure IIRC Hamilton isn't a good defensive player, not sure about him.

ClipperKyle32
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Woah?

clipperboy24
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^^^ I am not surprised. I think bosh is realizing he can still win and get paid if he leaves. Plus he will get a lot more credit if he goes to a Houston and they win a title. IMO, if they can resign Chandler, that team is definitely better than Miami. They can probably add terrence jones or montiejunas as sweeteners to a Lin and asik trade.

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I honestly don't know about his defense. He's only played on Denver and Houston...not really the best teams to showcase your defense.

But he is 6'8.5" 228lb with almost a 6'10" wingspan. So he has potential if he's wiling to learn.

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Asik has already been traded

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I mean it wouldn't be bad to get Hamilton, but I just imagined we were trying to get some defenders, and he's certainly not known for his defense, though he can shoot. I don't know, I'd rather get a defender first.

He's not a special offensive player either. He can shoot the three but doesn't get to the basket or the line well and isn't very efficient, but he does rebound well.

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Let's take Dion off of their hands. Then that makes Jamal easily moveable for Ariza.

clipperboy24
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Not officially, the deal has basically been agreed upon but not done was the last I read.

I read they already have a deal in place for Lin. Which between those two clears up $30mm. Will be interesting to see what happens.

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CapsNClips wrote:

Let's take Dion off of their hands. Then that makes Jamal easily moveable for Ariza.

Would love to have waiters coming off the bench or starting. He can shoot well (finally getting more comfortable in the NBA it seems), is cheaper than jamal (about $1mm less) and has a lot of upside still

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CapsNClips wrote:

Let's take Dion off of their hands. Then that makes Jamal easily moveable for Ariza.

Problem is that we can't take players and give cap space, so it won't work with us. They'll have to trade him to a team like Philly, etc who have cap space to absorb a contract.

I know some others might not be thinking of it, but I'm really warming up to the idea of giving Thaddeus Young a chance as a SF on this team. He's no light out 3PT shooter, but he's a good all-round player, good scorer, rebounder (for SF, nor PF) and defender. I think he's a better defender at SF IMO. Quick hands (first forward to average 2+ steals since 07-08), and he tried to improve his 3PT volume last season with 3.7 3PA/G, though he only made 30.8%.

Just turned 26 years old on June 21st. He has two years left on his contract $9.4M next season, and $9.97MM in 15-16 that is an early termination option which he probably doesn't pick up to get a longer deal.

Career:

13.7 PPG / 5.5 RPG / 1.4 APG / 1.4 SPG / 1.4 TPG / 50% FG / 32.1% 3PT / .539 TS% / 30.1 MPG

Career per 36:

16.4 PPG / 6.6 RPG / 1.6 APG / 1.6 SPG / 1.7 TPG

Last 4 seasons per 36:

17,1 PPG / 7.0 RPG / 1.8 APG / 1.8 SPG / 1.6 TPG / 50.3% FG / 30.1% 3PT / .536 TS%

Last season per 36:

18.8 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 2.2 APG / 2.2 TPG / 45.4% FG / 30.8% 3PT / .512 TS%

What does Young bring? He's a slasher and finisher at the rim, which is actually something this team needs. 42.8% of FGA are within 0-3 feet and he shoots 66% from there. He's also very good at playing off the ball and cutting. He's long and athletic and while he's considered a tweener, I believe defensively he can play SF fairly well. His last season numbers are not what you'd expect on a good team, on a good team you're expcet about 16/7/2 on .540+ TS% and if he can continue to develop the three point shot, at least the corner three.

How can we get him? While there is buzz that if he stays in Philly he won't pick up his contract anyways, we can offer Philly Jamal Crawford / Matt Barnes / Reggie Bullock + draft pick for Thaddeus Young. We would offer Dudley, but Dudley is a player option as opposed to being non-guaranteed next year. Philly will maintain the same cap situation, and get Bullock. If he opts out with us, we can sign him to a $8M/year contract. The other nice thing is how he matchups up with Durant.

  • "The problem with that," said Brown, "(Young) has had a coach that plays him a lot at four. Kawhi is really more of a three. But I think that is fair. Thaddeus has been bucketed into a position only because of the nature of the design of our team. He can be three. He can be four. Kawhi is a very fair example."

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnatio ... unterpart/

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I really like Thaddeus Young, I'm just not sure I like him on this team.

I like his defense and slashing ability, but I don't like it enough to ignore his bad 3PT shooting.

I was willing to look past Deng's bad 3PT shooting because he's a superior defender.

If Thad is gonna work with Bob Thate then I'd be a little more confident in trading for him.

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I think it would be mandatory for him to work with Bob Thate, don't you think? That's what good franchises do. SA is an example. They helped to improve Kawhi's form and make him a 3PT shooter, and Young has already shown the be can do it. Also remember that between Young and Deng that Young is 26 and a really healthy player, while Deng is 29 and seemingly struggles with durability, though all the minutes Thibs plays him might be an issue.

Young shot a combined 34.4% on 2.3 3PA/game or total 302 3PA his second and third year, then his coach told him to stop shooting three's (facepalm) instead of allowing him to continue to develop that. The one area I will contest is slashing, Young might be better, though we have to account for Young playing more PF, at the least they are on the same level, but Young is a great finisher and off-ball guy too.

Deng career:

31.3% FGA 0-3 feet / 63.8% FG / 3.9 FTA/36

Deng last 4 years:

27.1% FGA 0-3 feet / 64.3% FG / 3.6 FTA/36

Young career:

42.8% FGA 0-3 feet / 66.0% FG / 2.8 FTA/36

Young last 4 years:

41.9% FGA 0-3 feet / 68.0% FG / 2.9 FTA/36

Young takes more of his FGA near the basket as he's more athletic and is very adept at cutting and moving off the ball and has a little bit of Young Jamison in him, while Deng gets to the basket well too, but not as much. Last 4 years, Young is shooting at the rim 15% more than Deng and only shooting 0.7 less FTA/36.

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I think Thad would be a great backup plan. I honesty don't think his 3 pt shooting would hurt us that bad. We would be better with a rebounding slashing defensive SF than a perimeter only player, especially with Hawes. We struggled in many games where we shot high volume 3 pointers. Teams that live and die by the 3 usually struggle. The Spurs would have high volume games but used the 3 to spread the floor and kept it much more balanced than we do. We will just keep jacking up 3's even if we aren't making them.

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That's the one thing that really made me want a big that can shoot three's, it is that we wouldn't have to have a great 3PT shooter at one of the wing spots because the big would help spread the floor.

I also like the idea of Young because we make up for a lot of the length we lack at PG/SG and PF. Young with a 6'11.5 wingspan and an 8'10 standing reach actually has more length than Blake (6'11.25 wingspan and 8'9 standing reach), so that helps us to be more lengthy on the floor. Also him and Hawes have played like 3-4 seasons together in Philly, so they have chemistry already too.

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You've sold me on Thad.

Length was our Achilles heel last season along with defense, but those two usually go hand in hand.

It's also very important to try and trade for players who are in their prime and Young will be hitting his prime next season.

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Now we just need one of the front office guys to sell Doc on Thad and then we need to sell Philly on taking our players, lol

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Not much selling to Philly there. They took Mullens haha

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