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Agent0
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Mullens actually played well for them on offense in his 18 games, of course defense is what it is with him.

6.8 ppg / 46.5% FG / 40.0% 3PT, but they didn't care about defense since they were bad, and of course the sample size is only 50 3PA. It would be interesting to see if something is workable, Brown does seem to like Young.

clipperboy24
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Earl Clark is also a free agent and he can probably be bad for the mimimum. Can play either center or PF and can stretch the floor and is a very good defender, good passer and decent ball handler.

If all else fails he would be an upgrade over Hollins and would be a better fit for our team than glen davis because of his mobility.

cashdld
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2 things I want to happen....clippers to trade Barnes,bullock and 1st rounder for Wilson chandler and quincy miller and pull off a miracle and get the king to do a sign and trade of Isiah thomas and Jason terry for Jamal Crawford and dudley....

Agent0
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Why would we want Thomas AND Terry?

cashdld
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Why not isiah Thomas off the bench. Not like its any different than having bledsoe or collision off the bench the last few years. He's a guard who can score and change the paceof the game. Plus he's younger. I only included Jason terry in the trade scenario as a throw in (take a bad contracted player with a quality on).

cashdld
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Team don't just trade players away for nothing theyo are gonna either want something in return or relive from a bad contract that invested in

realbull17
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I.Thomas would go to the flakers before coming to the Clips. He mention several times he's flakers fan growing up.

If he change his mind. I say "Hey little homie, come to my clips". Lol. Very Happy

Agent0
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Part of my point is that getting Thomas to be our backup PG isn't worth taking Terry's contract. Thomas won't want to come here because the role is too small and we wot want to pay him so much to be a backup PG. He was 20/4/6 last season, the market for him is more than what you might be thinking. He's about $8m/year to teams unless he takes a paycut. Sacramento can't force him to be traded.

We don't really want to play him and Paul together ever, so he'll have just backup minutes at PG, so you're right, it isn't realistic, especially if you've seen his ego.

cashdld
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I never stated logistics on acquiring, I simply stated I wouldn't mind having a certain player on the team on the team.I have no need of schooling in regards to salary ,player value and contracts, i wellaware of those things. Now if we are talking logical/realistic player to look at than it would be Wilson chandler via trade. He's player that fits the teams need who isn't over priced. In regard to point guard replacements I would look at Aaron brooks,DJ augustine, jameer nelson, Ramon sessions, or Beno udrih. And even after solving those 2 issues there are still gonna be holes on this team. The teams that are ruining free agency and making it harder for teams to get players on decent contracts are the teams who overpay for bench players and because of that the good players are saying why should i sign for the same contract as Chris kaman, sefolosha, or Shawn Livingston when its obvious that they don't impact the game the same as Lowry,Deng,gasol, ariza.

zaneil3715
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Lbj melo are out and looks like deng and ariza are also a long shot I'm hoping for a wing stopper.i really want wilson chandler in this team for he can defend 1-4 positions.with this team doc could place different combination in the floor with him while never sacrificing any matchups or whatsoever. Moreover hedoesnt need the ball in his hands to be successful he scores anywhere in the court from assists or putbacks.

zaneil3715
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Regarding the backup pg an ideal pg out there that can also play alongside paul is kirk hinrich.he is a free agent and i want the team reach out to him.he has the size,plays defense,has a high iq and can run the second unit.

Agent0
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Fair enough, and makes sense. There are always teams that "ruin" free agency every year, we all dislike them, but small market teams many times have to overpay to get their guys because most guys aren't just going to Milwaikee for fun.

inventor310
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Its possible the Clippers can do a sign and trade to get Eric Bledsoe back.... I'd love him to return to ClipperNation we really did miss him last year..

CapsNClips
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$14 mil for a backup PG? No thanks.

realbull17
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EB wants to start not come off the bench behind CP3. I want back to but it won't happen. Sad

Agent0
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If Bled so #1 wanted to sign for about $8-9M and if Bledsoe #2 was comfortable with coming off the bench, and if Phoenix #3 was okay with a DJ for Bledsoe and Plumlee trade.

Bledsoe would be a backup PG/SG. Redick plays 28 mpg, Paul about 35 mpg. That means there's a 33 mpg deficit at PG and SG. So Bledsoe would be the 6th man playing 30 mpg behind Paul and Redick.

Of course this was the original path I felt we should take with him, have him replace Jamal's role as a 6th man and move Jamal, but I was hoping we could sign him back at about $8M/year, but the market is higher and there's probably some team with cap space wiling to overpay in either scenario.

Also this is more ideal if we had a cheaper starting SG. With how much money we paying Redick, it is to much money at PG and SG. Remember, 90% of the people here didn't want to try him as a SG and pay him, including Doc, so that ship has likely sailed.

CapsNClips
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I want to give Wesley Johnson a shot. He's never played under a defensive coach EVER.

He has all the physical tools to be a defensive stopper. He has 7'1" wingspan and unlimited athleticism.

I believe Doc can turn him into a legit wing defender. I don't care much about his offense.

inventor310
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Breaking News:

The Los Angeles Clippers have signed Cliff Paul

ClipperKyle32
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Well Frye went for that moneyyy

Billupsss
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After the Clippers get the SF they need, I hope they sign Ivan Johnson for the minimum to play alongside Spencer Hawes on the bench.

clipperboy24
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Him and Paul played very well on the court together. Too bad we blew it. Nba is changing and I think teams are going to experiment having two good ballhandlers on the court at the same time more.

phaded21
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Jamal and CP3?

tense2
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Though he said 2 good ball handlers, lol.

realbull17
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It was announced on the mason and ireland that carmelo anthony will remain with new york.

namzug
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Our roster at the moment looks like this:

CP3/ Farmar/ West

JJ/ Jamal/ CJ

Matt/ Reggie/ Duds

Blake/ Hawes

DJ/ Hawes

That leaves us at 12. I would like to bring a vet big man like Okafor and a young guy like Wes Johnson to fill out the roster. Maybe even Deandre Liggins if he looks good during summer league. I'm still hoping for a trade that brings us a starting small forward.

Maybe leaving something like:

CP3/ Farmar/ West

JJ/ Alan/ CJ

Ariza/ Matt/ Wes

Blake/ Brand

DJ/ Hawes

cashdld
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On twitter alexkennedy saying the clippers are netting dahntay Jones today

CapsNClips
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Wow, the salary cap and tax line are lower than projected. That sucks.

Dunkathon
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You mean "meeting" Dahntay Jones, right?

In any case, he would certainly be a disappointment after hearing names like Deng and Ariza.

ClipperKyle32
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He is probably replacing Jamal off the bench.

Farmar

Jones

Barnes

Bench PF

Hawes

Jamal Dudley and Pick or Bullock for Ariza. That Is just what I feel. He won't start at SF

cashdld
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I'm sure clippers probably working on trades, dahntay none off the bench doesn't hurt, he is a decent defender which is something we need on this team

clipperboy24
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Dahntay Jones primarily plays SG so it would seem that a Jamal trade might be on the works. Dabntay would be a nice cheap SG option off the bench

Dunkathon
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Well, if the Clips are trading Jamal, and if Dahntay is coming off the bench, I'm guessing I'm fine with it.

TheDude
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This I like. Vet that can guard. Good balance with JJ or Jamal, whoever doesn't get shipped off.

All indications are that a trade is already done. Really hope Duds is involved and not Barnes. Also kind of hoping we keep Jamal and move Redick instead.

Agent0
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Lol Dahntay Jones is 33 and wasn't on an NBA team last season, is he even good still? He was athletic and could defend, but was the worlds most inconsistent outside shooter. I doubt he's even guaranteed past training camp is he is signed.

cashdld
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Doc loves his shooters, I hope he balance it out with some defensive players

CLIPSET
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Vince Carter. If they s&t for Hawes maybe they can split the MLE on Carter and somebody else.

Clippers_FTW
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David... I need for you to talk to Doc and at least tell us of his plans. Please and thank you.

realbull17
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I'll take Dahntay over Anthony. Very Happy

LobAngelesBlakers
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how do you guys feel about James Johnson? B/r had his name as a bargain free agent and I think they might be right. He seems like the kind of guy we need defensively.

itsLuigi
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He just got signed by Toronto. We should have went after this guy, plays some good defense and brings huslte. did you guys know he was an MMA fighter?

CapsNClips
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I have a really weird feeling we are trying to get Lance Stephenson. He just seems like a guy that Doc would love.

namzug
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I just read the guy was like 20-0 in kickboxing matches too. Oh well.

ClipTakeover
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CapsNClips wrote:
Watch, people are going to think Tolliver will be a great signing in 5...4...3...2...

1... Wow, what a great pickup that would be!

Agent0
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Johnson would have been fine, but he did have the previous a Toronto connections, and they gave him decent money, 2 years / $5M.

If he can play consistently for them. He's a jack of all trades master of none who has struggled with offensive efficiency and due to trying to do too much and not being good enough has generally actually been a bad offensive player despite versatile skills. That is until his stint with Memphis. Teams are probably still weary as to whether it was jut a good stretch or him taking a next step as a player.

cashdld
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This makes me hate the bledsoe trade even more, butler was better than dudley, and bledsoe is obviously better than reddick. Now we are locked into contract nobody wants. If we were gonna bring back butler than we never should have traded him. At least if we kept him we would actually had more flexibility this summer

Clippers_FTW
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Michael Beasley.... Do it... Do it..

uncool
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Very unlikely... but I've always wanted Scola.

So to keep Stephenson, the Pacers will likely have to increase the offer. But to avoid the tax, the Pacers must free up space and one imaginable way would be cutting ties with backup forward Luis Scola. While a league source recently told The Star that Scola is still in the Pacers' plans, Scola has roughly $2.5 million guaranteed in the final year of his contract and would be the easiest moving part to sacrifice in order to retain Stephenson. Indianapolis Star - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.x6yeU7dt.dpuf

Agent0
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You're neglecting all the other outcomes that could have happened if we didn't make the trade. We most likely make another trade first of all.

Secondly Bledsoe's value is still held back by the fact that we wouldn't likely have played him similar minutes to Phoenix. Caron was set to make $3.7M more than Dudley. So we would have $4.3M less salary with Caron in comparison to Dudley if we somehow still had Redick at his contract. So we would still be above the cap, and our options for signing free agents would still be MLE and BAE. So we would have the same flexibility, just further from the apron.

If we kept Caron and kept Bledsoe, and didn't sign anyone else that would be on the books this year, we would have Bledsoe's cap hold which would keep us above the cap, and if we had given Bledsoe more playing time and his value is higher, then we are deciding between keeping him vs trying to get value for him in a sign and trade if possible. Then after that we still only have the MLE and BAE.

...but Caron Butler would be useless to bring back, what's the point?

cashdld
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Bledsoe value was held back because Vinny del negro neglected to play him the minutes he deserve and because value billups experience instead who was actually performing on the floor. Before the trade happened doc rivers claimed he was going to play bledsoe and Paul together similar to how he did with rondo and Bradley in Boston so minutes wouldn't have been an issue. Just because a player comes off the bench doesn't mean they wouldn't get minutes nor does it necessarily affect there stock. players such as ginobli or james harden value were still high. Although butler was making more money than dudley he was an expiring contract which would me that would have been money off the books for this summer.

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why? We spend all of our money.

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