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Post subject: Josh Smith Rumors Heating Up
 Posted: Jul 26, 2008 - 06:35 PM PST
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Negotiations are reportedly going nowhere between the Atlanta Hawks and restricted free agent Josh Smith. Smith is hoping for an annual salary in excess of $10 million while the Hawks are reluctant to meet his price.
It's easy to forget the Hawks won just 37 regular season games last season since what everyone remembers is Atlanta pushing the Boston Celtics to the brink in the first round. The cold hard truth is, though, that Atlanta really isn't anywhere close to contending. As such, giving Smith big-time money is a risky proposition. Moreover, with Mike Bibby scheduled to come off the books next summer, the Hawks could look to re-tool in the summer of 2009 or 2010.
At this stage, it looks like the Hawks best bet might be to sign and trade Josh Smith. Sekou Smith of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution indicated that a "Western Conference power" and an "Eastern Conference big dog" have already submitted offers to the Hawks, and that the team is currently in the process of weighing those offers.
Of course, any kind of sign and trade deal is harder than it appears at face value. If Smith signs a contract in excess of $10 million as it's expected he will, he will immediately become a Base Year Compensation (BYC) player due to the 20% increase in his salary. This means the Hawks could only take back 50% of Smith's BYC contract, which definitely complicates potential trade scenarios. It's possible that a third team might have to get involved in a number trade scenarios. Still, even while complicated to consummate, there's a heck of a lot of smoke coming from the sign and trade Josh Smith fire.
This can't help but make one wonder who exactly the teams are that Sekou Smith was referring to. Could the LA Lakers be the "Western Conference powerhouse" poised to make a play for Smith?
Well, the Lakers could offer Lamar Odom to the Hawks and take back Smith and point guard Speedy Claxton, provided the deal Smith signs with Atlanta before being traded is enough to match salaries given his BYC status. The move would give the Lakers the defensive presence it lacked in the Finals against the Boston Celtics, and it would also provide the Hawks with a good player and an expiring contract in Odom valued at over $14 million.
The Denver Nuggets could be a suitor, too, as a result of the $10 million trade exception the team received in the Marcus Camby deal according to league sources. In addition to the trade exception, the Nuggets have some future first round picks to play with as well as young talent like J.R. Smith and Linas Kleiza. The Nuggets are the only team that can offer the Hawks straight cap relief. The question is whether or not the Nuggets would be willing to shell out somewhere in the neighborhood of $10-12 million for Smith, which would once again put the Nuggets deep into luxury tax territory.
Another possible suitor could be the Dallas Mavericks. Josh Howard is rumored to be on the market and a move to Atlanta would give him a fresh start playing alongside Bibby and Joe Johnson.
Phoenix is also a team to keep an eye on due to the fact both Leandro Barbosa and Boris Diaw have been on the market all summer.
In the Eastern Conference, word is the Detroit Pistons are making a push for Smith in a deal which would likely feature Tayshaun Prince being shipped out. Such an idea is intriguing for Atlanta, but one has to figure Hawks GM Rick Sund would be at least somewhat leery of shipping Smith to a team already at the top of the Eastern Conference.
There's always a chance Atlanta could change its stance and give Smith what he wants. The other option would involve Smith playing for the qualifying offer next season and then becoming an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2009. However, this would likely mean the Hawks would lose him for nothing next summer, which has to be a prospect Atlanta isn't very fond of.
All that said, the smart money points towards a sign and trade. And with offers reportedly already on the table, expect this situation to really heat up in the coming days.
I dont know!!!! i allready like our team but you never know!!!
maybe the clippers could do somthing here maybe trade Tim Thomas, Cat Mobley, Josh Powell..... you just never know |
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Post subject: RE: Josh Smith Rumors Heating Up
Posted: Jul 26, 2008 - 06:37 PM PST
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| I would not mind getting Josh Howard from the Mavs if he is on the block! |
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Post subject: RE: Josh Smith Rumors Heating Up
Posted: Jul 26, 2008 - 06:39 PM PST
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| Yup hey guys Like Ralph Lawler said "Expect the unexpected". |
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Post subject: RE: Josh Smith Rumors Heating Up
Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 02:17 AM PST
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| If Kaman and Camby and Thorton stays, and we trade others, whose job is he going to take? |
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Post subject: RE: Josh Smith Rumors Heating Up
Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 03:05 AM PST
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| If we can get Josh Smith for Marcus Camby, that seems like a no-brainer to me. Smith is the ideal power forward: excellent defender and so athletic that other bigs can't stay with him |
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Post subject: RE: Josh Smith Rumors Heating Up
Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 03:12 AM PST
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| JM that might suggest one of them would be going to the Hawks for Smith. I really don't think we are in on this one but you never know. They would be asking for something for him. It would most likely be a player of a similar position with an expiring contract. TT still has two years left on his deal, and he sucks. They probably wouldn't want him. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 04:46 AM PST
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I believe Thomas, Mobley would be gone before season starts. Clippers management will make one last noise before the season.
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 05:26 AM PST
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tim or mobley might be goan but not both.
and i have hard time beliving either will be goan. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 11:44 AM PST
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I cry bitter tears beause we lost Buke. With him our roster would have been Perfect. Cat and TT aren't the greatest trade bait. They are overpriced. TT is worth maybe $4 mill, Cat right now is a MLE guy. They're both bench guys and Cat's paid like a starter. These guys aren't garbage. Look at TT's stats and this was when he was playing out of position a lot (It nauseates me to defend him). Why trade Cat when we have Gordon. Imagine getting Ben Gordon who I love. In two yrs you'll have dueling Gordons and we'll have to dump one. We don't need to trade anybody. We need a SF and we'll rock.
As far as Powell I'll make a bet. If by mid season you aren't satisfied, I'll wear a Kobe jersey in public. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 03:24 PM PST
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| I'm hearing J. Smith to a western power house is a possiblity. If the LA Tobe's get Smith I think i'm gonna puke. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 03:30 PM PST
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MrB wrote:
I'm hearing J. Smith to a western power house is a possiblity. If the LA Tobe's get Smith I think i'm gonna puke.
I hear you Mr B. But LAL's so far into the cap they would have to do it through a trade, and I can't see what they have that's tradeable. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 03:31 PM PST
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| yea they will trade him for lamar and if that doesnt work, then they are going to resign lamar |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 04:55 PM PST
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| I have a feeling that powerhouse team from the west is the Suns. The reason is Steve Kerr is in charge and last year wanted to trade Amare. Second Amare doesn't want to be there. So I'm going to call it Amare will get traded to the Hawks for Josh Smith. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 06:20 PM PST
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| that would never happen. unless if they threw in maybe mike bibby and josh smith in there. but i still doubt that would happen |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 07:03 PM PST
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redshocker14 wrote:
I have a feeling that powerhouse team from the west is the Suns. The reason is Steve Kerr is in charge and last year wanted to trade Amare. Second Amare doesn't want to be there. So I'm going to call it Amare will get traded to the Hawks for Josh Smith.
yeah this is NOT gonna happen!...josh smith maybe for barbosa and diaw....but not for amare.... |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 07:16 PM PST
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| I guess you don't follow other teams. Steve Kerr was trying to trade Amare for KG last offseason. So, it could happen!!! |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2008 - 11:33 PM PST
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but josh smith is not KG my friend....far from it actually!
KG won defensive player of the year, anchored his team to THE NBA CHAMPONSHIP, and had better averages than smith in most categories while playing less minutes....
WHY would phoenix trade one of THE BEST players in the league in his prime for a immature, questionably-motivated, gamble player like JS?!!!
KG is a top 5 PF in this league, Amare is a top 5 PF/C in this league....josh smith might not even be top 10 yet!....it just doesnt make sense my friend....
and i dont want to hate on you but theres such a thing as matching contracts when it comes to trades....and although neither one of our trade examples match up, Amare makes 15 mil next season and JS thanks to the BYC would only be accounting for around 5 or 6 mil in a S&T....once again just doesnt make sense....
a REAL opportunity for a S&T would be Josh Howard of dallas though.... |
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| The LA Tobe's could get J. Smith for Lamar and bonus player to make the salaries match. Odom is gonna make 14 mil next year. Smith wants what the Clippers were gonna offer 13mil. They could make it work if the Hawks give up on trying to keep him. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2008 - 01:43 AM PST
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| yeah but his contract will only count as around 6 mil to the incoming team because of the BYC rule....you're trying to trade 14 mil for 6....see what i mean, doesnt work.... |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2008 - 01:47 AM PST
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krapper11 wrote:
yeah but his contract will only count as around 6 mil to the incoming team because of the BYC rule....you're trying to trade 14 mil for 6....see what i mean, doesnt work....
That's a good point. The Base Year Contract can complicate matching incoming/outgoing salaries. This came up when there was discussion about Magette for Calderon. |
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| Then maybe it will be a 3 team trade. It will take some time to work it out. Gues it will be a long wait for Smith. |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2008 - 01:58 AM PST
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| I think we are going to make something incredibly unexpected happen, as for who we trade, yeah Mobley and/or TT might be involved but I can't wait to see what happens! |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2008 - 03:11 AM PST
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| ^^^if you think camby is getting traded you're trippin..... |
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Posted: Jul 28, 2008 - 09:23 AM PST
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trrue that,,,,camby's not going anywhere. i think we might get a really go0d sg in a trade for mobely. im thinking ben gordon. oh that would be crazyyyy. ben gordon and eric gordon.....ahhhh, a man can dream......
but yeah i think we just need to build up our frontcourt. like bench-wise. |
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