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    Post subject: TT and Cat...  PostPosted: Jul 19, 2008 - 07:21 PM PST
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    I really think with the addition of BD, TT and cat become valuable players. We have never had a PG with the play making ability of BD. That coupled with our bigs, will give both TT and Cat many open opportunites to drain the 3 - BINGO!.

    TT is not a full time PF, the Clips were forced to use him as such last year. He should be e big role player.

    Likewise, Cat is not a #2 0r #3 option on offense, but he was forced to play that last year. As our 4th or 5th option on offense, he should shine.

    Lets not be so willing to let either of these guys go. They will be valuable role players for us. Also, we need there expeience to rub off on our young guys.

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    Post subject: RE: TT and Cat...  PostPosted: Jul 19, 2008 - 07:33 PM PST
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    Ok, I see your point, but we may be able to trade these guys away for a better SG. However, you make a good case and I will embrace the potential if I have to.
     
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    Post subject: RE: TT and Cat...  PostPosted: Jul 19, 2008 - 07:53 PM PST
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    I agree totally dano. They are definitely valuable players, and they have the choice of stepping up their game if they want minutes (meaning mostly Tim Thomas and his awesome-*sarcasm*- attitude). Mobley is perfect for the starting lineup right now, because if he's on, you can keep going to him and still have more options, and if he's not on, there's AL, Chris and Baron. Brevin Knight can keep the ball in play and feed Eric Gordon and Kelenna Azibuike off our bench and also hit Tim Thomas while Josh Powell, DeAndre Jordan or Nick Fazekas try to hold down the middle.

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    Post subject: RE: TT and Cat...  PostPosted: Jul 19, 2008 - 08:12 PM PST
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    TT and Cat make better trade bait in the final year of their contracts. But we might not do that next year because we have so much cap space clearing in two years that we could literally get one of the top 5 best players in basketball who are free agents that summer. But if somebody like Josh Smith says trade me to the Clippers or I am just going to sign a one year deal with you, become unrestricted next year, and you are going to lose me anyway. Then that team might take one or both of those players in a sign and trade just to get something in return. I'm not saying this will happen, but it could happen.
     
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    i argree there gonna shine
     
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    I think Mobley will give another good year, have some good nights, have some average nights. I think TT will improve, he will get better looks, I'm not saying he will take a Kaman step and become TT 2.0 (although that would be nice) but I expect better from him as well. I also think that becuase of how our team is now I think they will feel less pressure, they will strive to become better, and they will interact with our new talent thus improving our team by far. My only worry is that in a few seasons we will have so many bandwagoneers everywhere, just won't be the same.

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    bandwagoners will only be a sign of success.(but ya even after that year clips went to 2nd round some lakers fans were turning tides Rolling Eyes )
     
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    Yeah Believe me I remember, It made me feel uneasy because they were the same people who kept telling me the Lakers are whats up and such, and how the clips stink.

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    The more I think about, the more valuable TT and Cat are to our team. TT is good enough to start as PF if he wants to. He's 6'10' and can post up when he wants to. He can do a reasonable job on the boards when he wants to and he can really spread things out when he decides to hit threes. If we need a big body inside instead of Camby he can do it .... Maybe a better team will motivate him. If we can get a better player for him--go for it but don't count the lazy SOB out

    We need Cat to teach Gordon. TT and Cat have had PO experience. We could do worse
     
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    Baron should be a great influence on Gordan as well...hopefully Taylor too

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    One thing that's maybe going to be interesting... doesn't Davis have a rep for being outspoken on the court? Marcus Camby is a pro's pro. He knows where to be in an offensive set. That's two guys who will help steady our offense, and encourage better ball movement (er... that's assuming that Baron and Dunleavy can reach an agreement on what's running) The thing is, we should see a much more productive team this year, not only from the up-tempo, but from an efficiency standpoint as well. Another positive sign... in the summer league, Thornton has played more under control, yet still scores every which way, and has even been looking to pass. Plus, you guys are right, one very likely beneficiary of Baron's penetration (or Gordon's, Brevin's, or even Al's) is the wide open TT, cruising there on the perimeter to loft his beloved threes and snag the occasional long rebound. Thomas really could benefit from a reduced role, say twenty minutes a night or so, because when comfortable he can hit the three. Look, I don't hate the guy, I just can't believe how he's nearly squandered such tremendous talent. He can play when he wants to, he just doesn't want to often enough. Anyway, we've got some firepower, plus as was earlier noted, with the pressure off, Cat can just wait for his hot streaks. Defensively... the inside, well we don't even have to talk about the inside. But let's just say the names... Kaman, Camby and could we even toss in Jordan? They are positively rude to offensive types around the rim. These guys handle more blocks than stonemasons. Now if Al can just learn to defend outside under control, and if Gordon and Cat can hustle the perimeter... hmmm... what's Baron's rep defensively? He's certainly strong enough to not get pushed around. Buike is tough, very tough, and Taylor is quick. We've got a ton of potential on both ends of the court, and yeah... right now it's just potential, but you can't consider the possibilities and not get just the least bit excited!
     
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    Yup, we shall see my friend.

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    great summary bro. dwb
    our bench is getting better. Mobley is a good 2guard defender. and he can light up if doesnt have presure. Tomas just has to worry about open 3s instead of like last year trying to drive it in.

    the only issues we have is injurys. Camby and baron are scary in that department.
    also can camby run?(guess in denver they prob run)

    another issue is FT! baron as much as i love him is bad at ft. which is a huge - for a guard. he needs to work on it during summer
     
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    dwb wrote:
    One thing that's maybe going to be interesting... doesn't Davis have a rep for being outspoken on the court? Marcus Camby is a pro's pro. He knows where to be in an offensive set. That's two guys who will help steady our offense, and encourage better ball movement (er... that's assuming that Baron and Dunleavy can reach an agreement on what's running) The thing is, we should see a much more productive team this year, not only from the up-tempo, but from an efficiency standpoint as well. Another positive sign... in the summer league, Thornton has played more under control, yet still scores every which way, and has even been looking to pass. Plus, you guys are right, one very likely beneficiary of Baron's penetration (or Gordon's, Brevin's, or even Al's) is the wide open TT, cruising there on the perimeter to loft his beloved threes and snag the occasional long rebound. Thomas really could benefit from a reduced role, say twenty minutes a night or so, because when comfortable he can hit the three. Look, I don't hate the guy, I just can't believe how he's nearly squandered such tremendous talent. He can play when he wants to, he just doesn't want to often enough. Anyway, we've got some firepower, plus as was earlier noted, with the pressure off, Cat can just wait for his hot streaks. Defensively... the inside, well we don't even have to talk about the inside. But let's just say the names... Kaman, Camby and could we even toss in Jordan? They are positively rude to offensive types around the rim. These guys handle more blocks than stonemasons. Now if Al can just learn to defend outside under control, and if Gordon and Cat can hustle the perimeter... hmmm... what's Baron's rep defensively? He's certainly strong enough to not get pushed around. Buike is tough, very tough, and Taylor is quick. We've got a ton of potential on both ends of the court, and yeah... right now it's just potential, but you can't consider the possibilities and not get just the least bit excited!


    well said dwb. for years the clippers offense would just go stagnant and disappear for minutes, even quarters at a time. at times, you could see no teamwork and no fluidity to their offense, and noone to step up and get the team going. i think this year, with a true, great point guard, hopefully those offesive lulls will be few and far between. like you said, this team should be alot more productive and effivient than in years past....
    cant wait to see em all playin together!
     
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    jlemmen43 wrote:
    I agree totally dano. They are definitely valuable players, and they have the choice of stepping up their game if they want minutes (meaning mostly Tim Thomas and his awesome-*sarcasm*- attitude). Mobley is perfect for the starting lineup right now, because if he's on, you can keep going to him and still have more options, and if he's not on, there's AL, Chris and Baron. Brevin Knight can keep the ball in play and feed Eric Gordon and Kelenna Azibuike off our bench and also hit Tim Thomas while Josh Powell, DeAndre Jordan or Nick Fazekas try to hold down the middle.
    Tim Thomas and Cat both cost us games last year and I have no problem with either of them playing elseware this year. For veteran players they are embarrassingly dumb.
     
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    First things first. this is my first clippers blog. love reading all of the comments on this site, it's awesome to actually here from other clippers fans. Now for Mobley and Thomas, i think mobley is way more valuable than people give him credit for. He scores when he is not injured, he doesn't complain about playing time. He's even willing to come off the bench for the sake of the team. He wants to win now. I'd keep him.
    Now for Tim Thomas the same can't be said, i was a little relieved when we signed him in the wake of the space cadet moving into the locker room down the hall. Also we got him a little cheaper the rad vlad. So it could be worse. My problem with Thomas is that people talk about how great of a three point shooter he is, He bricked almost all of his three's last year it was sad display of talent. I watched almost every game last year and a lot of those three's he had a decent look and just bricked it. yes, yes, he had to post up more but still when your only known to be able to shoot three's your whole, YOU DON'T FORGET HOW TO KNOCK THEM DOWN. hopefully he'll work on that all offseason were going to need him to spred the floor w/ kaman and Camby down low, Al thorton slashing and BD running the point were going to need mobley and TT to hit their shots. we'll see what we get from gordan, taylor and jordan never a sure thing when your just a rookie. Hope we get az-buke he looked good last year, hope he can drive and shoot well for us.
     
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    TT& Cat have a lot of value to this team. I agree with GoClippersGo829 on Cat. Last year he got banged up early and never had the time to heal with everyone else going down.

    I don't agree with him on TT. You have to take him for what he is not what you want him to be. Last year we expected way too much from him. That takes him out of being good at what he capable of- drawing out the opposing power forward from the middle, the long rebound, spot up 3 pointers and with only a little time posting down low. As a starter, not what you want, but coming off the bench, he has good value.

    Lastly, with both contracts and Camby expiring in 2010, we have 23 million cap space in a year with many great players looking for a big contract with a chance of winning. I think the clippers will be one of the few teams able to offer both.
     
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    Everyone just focuses on how Thomas is supposedly a great 3-point threat. I will agree that when he's on, he will drain that 3; but when he's not (and last season, he mostly was not), he is a huge liability for the Clippers. He plays TERRIBLE defense, and his mental make-up is deplorable. How many bone-headed plays or criticial mental mistakes did he commit last year? I can't tell you how many times I've screamed at my TV last year, watching this guy commit costly turnovers or simply make foolish decisions at critical junctures in the game... He's DEFINITELY more of a bench player than anything else, and certainly should NOT be in the game at critical points when we need to clamp down on D.

    As for Cat Mobley, his age has really caught up to him! His offense is more or less one-dimensional now, w/ him backing up his defender and making that turn-around jumper that missed more times than not... his 3-point prowess has disappeared. Most importantly, when Dunleavy tries to run his offense through Cat, we lose all fluidity, our offense becomes stagnant, and we just don't get much out of that.

    I'm not saying that I don't want them as bench players, but I fail to see how they have suddenly been identified as such critical parts of the Clippers machine. Heck, if they could recoup the money they invested in these players, they could easily afford much better, cheaper options...

    That's just my humble opinion.
     
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    Yes, TT and Cat are very valuable, and were the first 2 players i thot of when we signed Baron...Cat plays great D, and TT is a nice solid Vet....but I'm also open to trading them for a superstar, in a package, if such a deal becomes available in a sign and trade....

    talent-wise, Cat and TT won't compare to a superstar, but jus was hoping there was an opportunity where a team was looking to get expiring contracts in return...as i'm writing this, I realize a sign n trade is probably unrealistic since a team would probably prefer not signing their superstar, ala J-Smitty, instead of pickin up two contracts....so we probably need to go after a player who is already under contract...maybe J-Rich, but he sucks...
     
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    I agree that Tim is not the greatest, I remember on a car ride after our playoff exit i was cursing TT and saying i hope he had a horrible season the following year. No joke when i got home and checked the cpu is when i found out he was then a clipper. well at least my wishes/curses come true Smile I honestly like Cat though, we were just expecting too much from him, he is a solid role player and has never really been a star player. He plays great defense and I still remember him throwin down some facials on others and taking control of several games. You have to remember because our insane amount of injuries last season he never had time to heal and was playing injured majority of the season as one of our main go-to guys. I am sure he will play better this year and I will be wishing the same for TT Smile
     
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    Cat will be consistent, when healthy. Thomas aint gonna start playing till next season, which is a contract year for him. i hate admiting it but its true, Thomas is a bumb like that.

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