Kaman and Gordon for Wallace and Rip Hamilton Trade Rumor

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scudsy
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i found this on a random clipper forum that i stumbled upon in search for some more offseason news. though rip hamilton is a very good player and is one of my favorite in the league right now i don't want to have to give up kaman or gordon, i really hope this isn't true at all. Post a reply 19 posts • Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2 Another New HUGE Trade Rumor Postby ClipperDomination on Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:48 am I have a buddy who works for the Clipps that knows people within the organization. He was the one to tell....

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lakersandangels
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If this happened, I guess we would be one of the first to know =P. That is quite a big change though. Not sure if Sheed would be good for the team.

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I'm really against that trade. There's just too much I don't like. Sheed isn't going to be on the decline in a couple years like people say. He's already on the decline and won't be of much help here, especially as a replacement for Kaman. Our frontcourt would be really old, and suddenly, this team that was supposed to have a great frontcourt for the future(Kaman and Brand, then Kaman and Camby) would be left with nothing for the near future. Kaman has suddenly emerged as probably the most important piece to this franchise's future. And as much as I like Rip, he's also getting old and doesn't give us much of a future. Gordon can really be something special. Kaman and Gordon I think are even better in the present than Sheed and Rip, even without seeing Gordon play. And obviously they have much more of a future.

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Hmm, interesting but I'm not exactly convinced....although...hmmm

toohipcliptoslip
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Agree This trade is nuts. Last yr Sheed had a slight edge but we all know that Chris was playing alone in the post. Next yr Chris' stats will be better than Sheed. Sheed has a 3 ball but in a couple of years he'll have no legs. We have the potential of having a young exciting team 2009-10 after the babies grow up. I'd trade Cat and TT for Rip about it.(fat chance). Rip has a few good yrs left but what do we have left. No Cat and no Gordon in a couple of yrs. We should be tough with the present line up and in dreamland add Amare and we're talking finals. Can you imagine that? We can be tough for the next 5-6 yrs.

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HELL NO!!! we don't need to old players with pricey contracts in our team... Gordon will be a lights out shooter in this league and Kaman is one of the top 5 centers

JamFan
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Well, Sheed may be on the verge of getting old, but Camby is already old. he just plays young. Having said that this is one of those trades that is hard to rate. My biggest problem is that this rumor comes from a guy, who has a friend, who works for the Clippers, who knows a guy, who works..................

clippers0918
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not happening. and i can put money on it.,

kaman is young and willl be huge this year.

and rememeber for gordon they were even willing to give mini pick

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Exactly, why would they trade away 2 young guys for some older vets who wont be around for very much longer. It's hard to find a good center and we found one in Kaman and he's only 25 years old. And as clippers0918 said, we were willing to trade our first round pick just to secure Gordon. Doesn't sound logical for the FO to want to trade him after what they were willing to give up for him.

As of now the only players that should be traded if need be are TT, Knight, and maybe Mobley (depending on who we were picking up) Our starting 5 as well as Gordon, Taylor, and Jordon shouldn't even be mentioned in a trade.

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My problem with this trade: The Clippers will be a bunch of strangers! Who do you root for? Thornton, Mobley and a bunch of guys in red jerseys. None of the guys I've been watching for the last zillion years.

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If i remember correctly sheed and MDsr did not get along to well before that trailblazer team broke up. I dont know how he feels about him now. Would you really want someone on the team who in closing min of a game we would have to worry about getting the double t and getting kicked out because his head is not in the game. Hamilton can still shoot. But he is better mid range than long. Considering he only shot 62 threes last season which is less than 1 a game. So I dont see how this would benefit the team. We would be renting players and as I have seen before sometimes you dont always get the results you hoped for. Lets keep the current unit intact and see how they play before we go all crazy here.

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This trade hopefully won't happen. We are already renting Camby. Now rent Sheed and give away Kaman Kaman who is still developing. Rip is good but I don't think he's a MDsr. system type of player. I hope it doesn't materialyze. This was probably thought of before F-Elton left. Detroit is probably the one soliciting the deal.

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I am positive that if they do want to sign T-Mac they may have to unload some space, but to say this?! I need to see an article or some form of proof, this cat might have just been overexaggerating

and might have posted that on his own interest, or maybe he's a fan of Rip and Wallace.

lakersandangels
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There is no proof of the FO considering this other than this guy's post.

scudsy
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i wish thehonoraryfan was here so he could clear things up.

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ummm....idk...rip is good but do we really want a technical fouler like sheed? and i dont want to let go of gordon just yet. if we let him go then who knows he might become good in the future. like brett favre. the atlanta falcons thought he wasnt good and so they traded him. now look what happend hes a future hall of famer with his name in the record books. dont let go of gordon yet!

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that's a bad @ss line up though

davis

rip

thorton

sheed

camby

that's deep

jarca
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i'd do this trade in a second

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I know I am new here but that trade would me me shoot myself and never get to 10 posts here.

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and old.

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Welcome FightOnRon! haha thats true!! that is a very old line up! except of thornton. haha we need young guys too!!

ClipperCalvin
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BOTTOM LINE:

sheed and rip are only "slightly" better than kaman and gordon now..but will only be "slightly" better for the next 1-2 yrs....kaman and gordon will be much better than those two for us for the next 5-plus years...

this is a no-brainer - DON'T DO THE TRADE!!! not worth selling off your entire future, only to get a fraction of a point better...they need to throw in Stuckey...then iz a done deal..LOL

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lo. im with you CC. i like that. its very true. soon theyll turn into an old fart like VC. look at him now hes going downhill. but hey im not hatin. i love VC man. he WAS good

david
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This is interesting. The salaries don't match though- the Clippers are short by like $10 mil- maybe Tim Thomas would have to be included as well. Kaman does have a trade-kicker that would add another millions to his current contract, so I'm not sure if it'd help balance things out. It would suck to see Kaman go, but on the other hand he'll be going back home to Michigan. This trade would make us instant contenders, though much older as well.

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Yeah. I had thought the same thing about the salaries...

As for the trade I think we would be ring contenders inmediatelly and isn't it our goal??So why do we have to wait, if we can fight for everything right now??We would be older but it would be a nice opportunity to do something great. I love Kaman and Gordon but today the combo Sheed+Rip is better and more experienced.

I'd pull the trigger

ClipperCalvin
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good point...it does have the Boston model, which I didn't think about, cuz i was so tuned in with losing Kaman/Gordon...I would want a little bit more in return, if this were to happen tho...and especially if we give them TT to make the contract work...I don't like TT either, but he would become even more valuable as a bench player for a contender...he is solid off the bench, especially on a veteran laiden team...

it would be better if Detriot were willing to take Camby/Gordon instead...I'd fell better...i love Kaman...love Gordon too, but gotta give up something

david
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Yeah I would pull the trigger as well- I mean imagine this lineup:

PF: Rasheed Wallace

SF: Al Thornton

C: Marcus Camby

SG: Richard Hamilton

PG: Baron Davis

Are you kidding me? That lineup wold strike fear into the top teams of the NBA. It's hard to think of another starting 5 that would be this good. This team could win like 60+ games....

teamfiend
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as much as it kills me to see the Kman go, i have to agree.... that lineup is sick

sz123456
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Kaman might actually like it if we trade him. He went to Central Michigan for college, he probably has family there. We'd be immediate contenders and Sheed would be off the books next year, I'd do it.

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err,I agree but seeing Kaman go after that great improvement...oh well

jarca
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clipnasty wrote:
jarca wrote:
that's a bad @ss line up though

davis

rip

thorton

sheed

camby

that's deep

and old.

who give a sh1t if theyre old. iam a realistic clippers fan not delusional. we should always work towards the present since we dont do a good job of protecting our future anyway.

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At the end of the day, i think the likliehood of this trade happening is about 1%, so all this is irrelevant. I understand Detroit may want to mix things up a bit, seeing as how they havent gotten over the hump the last 2 seasons, but a trade like this just doesnt make sense.

ClipperCalvin
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yea, i'm leaning towards the other way now too...we can't get any worse as a franchise, so might as well look to win now...clips been talking about the future forever, and like you said, we've done a terrible job of protecting our future...so an opportunity to win now should be our goal...worry about future when it happens....if it were any other team, i wouldn't do the trade, but considering our history, we need something like this...

also, this is all irrelevant too, i agree..trade not gonna happen, but if possible, yea, we should do it...

clipperfan909
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whether or not this is true, it at least won't happen anytime soon. gordon recently signed his rookie contract, therefore, he can't be traded for a while.

ClipperCalvin
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how long is a while?? (before we can trade gordon?)

journeyman
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I don't see Rasheed coming to the Clippers. He and Coach D seem like they have irreconcilable differences. And besides, for those who think Camby is old, let's just say Rasheed is aging a lot less gracefully..

clipperfan909
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i believe it's about 6 months

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clipperfan909 wrote:
ClipperCalvin wrote:
how long is a while?? (before we can trade gordon?)

i believe it's about 6 months

Actually it's 30 days, according to the trade machine:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

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dunleavy and sheed are NOT on good terms and this deal would be stupid on our part....lets give away our top 5 center who has steadily improved over the last few years and instead bring in a headcase PF who has steadily declined over that same span....dont buy into this clippers fans, there is a reason why dumars is trying to get rid of these guys! wallace shot 43% from the field last year!...thats not acceptable coming from a veteran PF, i'd take cambys 13 rebounds and 3 blocks a game while shooting 45% from the field ANY day over that....

Rip on the other hand would be a valuable piece but its not worth taking on sheed with him....and not for kaman!

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no...

LAC_12
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i want to say more but really is there any need?

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Dont think so. You said it all.

thehonoraryfan
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Someone rang? Smile

Um, this is flat out fictitious. I heard about all the previous trades before they went down but this one isn't happening. No way. Must've been a Detroit fan spreading some crazy rumors. Dunleavy would NEVER take Sheed over Kaman.

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Very glad to hear this. I like Rip, but losing Kaman for Rasheed? Not good.

clippers0918
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i see some of you liking this trade???

ya it might be little bit better but i dont really see it being the difference between a ring and not.

^ for right now.

and in 2 years what back to rebuilding?

cause loosing kaman and gordon will put us in gutter. 2010 no one will want to come here cause will just be abother rebuilding team.

all that for possible 5 more victories?

no tx.

we contend now and in 2010 we become champions(if not before that)

steveeeec
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this trade will never happen idk y u guys pay any attention to that rumor it was brought by a fan who is obvisly an idiot dont belive it there is no way the clippers will ever do this trade.

david
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Well I still like the trade in the sense that it gives us the chance to win it all now. You never know what the future may bring. Boston certainly wasn't looking light years into the future when they brought in Garnett and Allen to join Pierce.

I'm pretty happy and excited with our current team though- I'm not sure if it could win over 50 games and go deep into the playoffs, but I sure hope so. Team chemistry/how everyone will mesh together will be a huge X factor in how we do this coming season.

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TERRIBLE TRADE. Kaman is a top 5 center, sheed is going downhill fast. Gordon is FILLED with potential.. Hamilton is not on the decline but definitely has hit his potential cap. Hamilton is also not as good getting to the basket or being as aggressive on the boards or defense as Gordon. I see absolutely nothing good if this happens and ill be very pissed off

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